If we're talking same tyre, compound, tread, pressure, bike, terrain and conditions, not enough to be worth swapping I'd say.

A delightful article.

Blimey, you can't even get hit by a car without incurring the STW wrath.

What is it with internet forums and their encouragement of the "I think you'll find…" attitude?

Let's imagine if the thread had been:

"I managaed to bump a cyclist today by slipping off the clutch pedal behind him in traffic. The ****t was livid and had a right go at me – it was only an accident and I didn't even damage his bike!"

The same people would be bashing your bad driving and saying "you're not fit to be on the road", and "of course the rider had every right to be livid, you could have killed him" and "you're a danger to yourself and others, I hope you and everyone you know burns for an eternity in the firey pits of hell after dying long and unspeakably painful deaths". And so on.

Forums. The only place where you're wrong whichever side you're on, even if it's both, and the only place where devils' advocacy is delivery so visciously.

Awaits being flamed into the stone age.

Fight Club

Re-reading the original question, we were also to explain why weren't we.

The British Rail logo is my number 1 as it's become recognisable as 'trains' in this country.

Even though British Rail is a long defunct company, the double arrow logo is still used on roadsigns, tickets, on airport signage as the default logo of rail transport in the UK. It's as recognisably "railway" as the word "railway" itself, if not more so as even people that can't read will likely recognise it.

All that and it's basically 5 straight lines in flat colour.

My contemporaries and I believe that 'good design is what's left when nothing else can be taken away'. The BR logo is the very personification of that in my opinion.

I would die happy if in my professional life I design one logo even a fraction as good as it.

Found a good Guardian article actually:

It represents two tracks, heading in different directions, and crossed by stylised points. Ever since, it has symbolised not just British Rail or Inter-City (later InterCity without the hyphen), but the very notion of mainline rail travel. Not only has the logo been reinterpreted many times by railways bent on modernisation across the world, but in the era of gormlessly privatised railways at home, it remains the symbol for trains operated by companies of varying competence under the aegis of Network Rail.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/artanddesign/artblog/2006/dec/12/everydesignthebritishrail

Why not? What harm will it do?

The fame will go to their heads and they'll get hooked on blow within minutes.

I use Sealskinz waterproof mountainbiking gloves for winter commuting and MTBing. Never get cold hands, they're waterproof (clue's in the name) and they don't feel massively bulky.

Unified rear triangle.

The bottom bracket is on the swingarm, to put it really simply. Have a look at a Trek Y33 for a typical example:

or Klein Mantra for a ridiculous example:

Or compare and contrast the main swingarm pivot on this Kona URT:

with this otherwise similar Kona none URT:

With mastiles fanylion here, BR double arrow all the way.

Pictures?

Literal lol

I'd be out if I wasn't working :o(

I've got a P7 (sadly cracked at the rear wishbone) from I think around 1995-6 with a 1 inch head tube.

My LBS has a dusty but unused pair of original 1 inch threaded P7 forks in stock if you fancy going fully old school.

It isn't any way to live life, Beerbelly, I agree.

Is a road bike much faster on a commute than an XC bike with slicks?

You wouldn't think so but it really is. I made the jump and wouldn't go back.

What is it they pour in?

Carrera do a nice flat bar commute bike. Nice and cheap, fast, comfortable. Job's a gudgeoun.

Thank god for that, I was beginning to think we'd driven to bleedin wrexham and then missed half the trails!

Couple of hours? Blimey, is the red route longer than the black? Eiter that or we must have missed out a lot of the route when we went :o/

There probably aren't as many thieves on here as their are bikers who are happy to buy no questions asked cheap parts off ebay.

Holby City and Casualty both use the 'medical cross a T' device

http://www.bbc.co.uk/drama/holbycity/
http://www.bbc.co.uk/casualty/

Ride – Peaks 21/22 Nov? Anyone free then or around then?

Bit far in the future but I should imagine I'll be up for that.

I'd join that ride tonight if I had proper lights.

Will join that friday night bike ride thing posted by Podge though, looks interesting.

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Agreed with the twisty byway that drops into Bamford, that's a good decent in place of using the roads. Might be a good way to gain altitude too, though I've never ridden it that way.

I have to just recommend that you avoid at all costs climbing Bamford Clough unless you're a complete sadist. It's absolute torture.

They hold a hill climb event on it occassionally – the entrants must be mental. If the lung and leg punishing doesn't get you, the constant looping out backwards will. Horrendous.

Layer Cake. A genuinely good british gangster film.

And Sexy Beast just so you've experienced the unrivalled terror of Don Logan.

Oh god, Come on Eileen. Nothing makes me want to punch new born Pandas more than that chuffing god awful horendous godforsaken bag of utter tortuous gash.

'My Sherona' has a similar effect on me. Did nobody tell them that SONGS ARE ALLOWED TO CONTAIN MORE THAN ONE TITTING NOTE?

After that, anything by the Beatles.

So I worked an extra 11 unpaid hours on the Monday yet I'm forced to use a days holiday for being off for a good reason. 😀

While ever you laugh it off they'll keep doing it.

A surprisingly irrelevant one.

And for reference, if I played the game and did the overtime they expect, I would have been doing 12 hour days, 7 days a week for over a year.

For no extra pay on top of my sub 20k salary.

So you can see why I might not give a shit about my unpopularity 🙂

I once arrived at work on monday morning and wondered why my colleagues were already in. They were still in work from the previous sunday, and didn't leave till monday lunchtime.

I don't, but have done in the past and I currently work in an industry that expects it and I manage to make myself very unpopular by not doing so.

Cheers for that chaps.

I have the Adobe suite on both my Mac and my PC laptop and never had a problem opening or editing a file (going either way).

I was hoping to hear some first-hand experience like that. Puts my mind at rest no end, ta.

Well done fella 🙂 Good felling innit!

Depends. Will you be taking off from a conveyor belt?

I presume everyone outside sheffield pronounced it 'Orange Alright'?

I once did some graphic design work for a mountain bike company that never got off the ground.

Standing on pedals, not pedalling, front wheel in air, moving.

Yes. Face every time.

As above, seems a shame (and almost ridiculous) not to take power from the turbo

Though I'm feeling a little self-conscious and outcasted after asking similar on here a while back and getting dismissed, if you fancy a play around Wharny some time give me a shout.

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I think we should ALL use hovercraft a lot more.

The best statement I've ever heard on here.