5thElefant – Member
Because universal human rights are universal

They’re not. Rights are granted by those who hold power.
Nothing universal about them.

At last some one with a brain.

Yep you slag of China and then buy their stuff, the computer you are using is most likely made in china, so i think if you are so concerned about the human rights in China you should throw it away as a demonstration of you contempt for the system. If you buy an apple computer you are supporting the Chines government, o the irony.

Cultural Imperialism is big on the single track forums ant it, if it ant how to ride youre bike or what frame material to use its how people in other countries should behave and believe.

Because universal human rights are universal

They used to say that about Christianity.

MSP – Member
You do realise that if you lived in your beloved China, you wouldn’t be allowed to posthold the kind of views about the regime as you have about our evil western regimes.

we as it is their country that is their right!

lol i read Engels, what a load of shit, you do realise communism killed 100 million people in the 20th centuraty dont you, Lenin was a mass murder and a dictator. In my mind Marx is responsible for some of the worst crime in history. All i said was that China was a very nice place to visit and that maybe you should go see for you’re self instead of believing the shit you see on the net and read in newspapers.

has it escaped your notice that the nice place China is in fact communist?
I dont know why I replied you seem perfectly capable of beating your own argument without any help
I dont think we take it that serious but is it to much to ask that what you say is at least based on either reality or logic?

did i ever say i was a communist? nope i did not. China is a communist country, which was put me off, but after seeing it i thought very differently. Thats the point i was making. That you should not believe what you see in news papers etc but instead what you have experienced for you self. China may be a communist country but not in the Western seance. like i said go see for ur self. I still think both Engels and Marx were full of shit, but it does not stop china being a good country. Yet again the White western man thinks he has the god given right to tell people on the other side of the world how to live. Ever noticed the Chines never tell us how to run our country, but we feel we have the right to tell them how to run theirs. What right in hell do we have to force our morals on people that live on the other side of the world. You just modern day missionary’s, determined to force you ‘superior’ views on people in other cultures. i couldn’t give a **** what lower middle class guardian readers think of me.

ernie_lynch – Member
ilovemygears – Member
lol i read Engels

You’re not the full ticket are you mate ?

this is the internet you’re taking it all very seriously ant you.

Elfinsafety – Member
So what was Chairman Mao then?

A guy with a swimming pool 🙂

No, it was Lenin who said that bourgeois democracy is in fact a dictatorship of the bourgeoisie, Marx spent 95% of his time waffling on about economics. Lenin also said that the highest form of democracy is the dictatorship of the proletariat – there’s nothing wrong with democracy.

And if you really ain’t trolling, then you’ve got a seriously fecked-up head coming out with “not crushing dissent there simply destroying counter revolutionaries”. I can’t be arsed to comment more than that

lol i read Engels, what a load of shit, you do realise communism killed 100 million people in the 20th centuraty dont you, Lenin was a mass murder and a dictator. In my mind Marx is responsible for some of the worst crime in history. All i said was that China was a very nice place to visit and that maybe you should go see for you’re self instead of believing the shit you see on the net and read in newspapers. The west does propaganda as well you know.

No no …….thank you ! This place has become boring and stale with far too many sensible posts for my liking. What this place needs is someone to liven up the proceedings a little. And I really think that the guy who comes on here singing the praises of the Communist Party of China because of their apparently impressive ability to brutally crush all dissent, is the man to do it.

No really mate, I’m gobsmacked …… even I, a committed and incorruptible Marxist-Leninist, couldn’t lavish such unconditional praise on the self-serving brutal thugs which rule China……well done geezer

marx said democracy was a bourgeoisie dictatorship. There not crushing dissent there simply destroying counter revolutionaries.

Im sure i saw some one riding that today in Manchester.

Really? Cos from the video footage, to me (and lots and lots of other people including top legal experts and that), it just looks like some violent thug in a police uniform assaulting an innocent man who was posing absolutely no threat whatsoever, and did not appear to be acting in breach of the peace in any way

are these same group of legal experts that believe we should not be able to read things about losers in the news papers. The law is a ass, that guy was clearly getting in the way!

ernie_lynch – Member
ilovemygears, thanks for registering on stw – this place hasn’t been the same since AdamG and Lanesra were banned. You’re just what this forum needs imo to counter the dull and boring lefties, and the Tories such as CaptainFlashheart and Woppit, who are clueless and completely incapable of arguing their corner. I look forward to many more posts from you

thanks 🙂

I dont see the Chines bombing the crap out of other peoples countries! Like our wonderful western governments! o yea human rights, what about all those Iraqis.
Ask the Dalai Lama In the hills of Tibet how many monks did the chinese get?

Not nearlly as many as we have kiled to get some free oil, also that has to be put in historical context it was at the hight of the cultural revolution. which was not a very good time for china in many ways. Howver both china and Tibet were ancient enemies how had been at war for Centuries etc. now compare that to iraqi its very diffrent, sevearl million have died in the past few years. Get over it the Western governments do evil things too.

What’s Tom said about it then? I bet him and Penelope must be bloody livid!!

no idea lol 🙂

Anyway…. this cult? Like that Tom Cruise religion thing? With the spaceships n stuff?

different cult but same sort of thing, its evil and takes money of week people and its really racist.

do you think religions that devide people by race are a good idea
But aren’t they all just “Chinese”? They all look the same to me, to be honest

well they dont and i think thats a bit racist to me! im not saying ur racist just that it could be seen as racist!

do you think religions that devide people by race are a good idea
But aren’t they all just “Chinese”? They all look the same to me, to be honest

sorry i didn’t make it very clear the Chines government made the cult Falun Gong illegal it teaches people that the races should be kept separate and all other nasty shit, so they band it, then they get shit of western people for it. I just dont get it

So if I ask if i can see the torture chambers where the imprisoned dissidents are detained for re-education, they’ll say “hey, silly, you are a tease, we don’t do any of that kind of thing any more, That’s just, like SOOOOOOOOOOOOO last century”

But then, they’ll, like, show me a, like, really awesome skyscraper, and I’ll be, like… WOOOOOOOOOOOOW. Dudes who can, like, build really awesome stuff like that would never ruthlessly oppress their own population

like i said go and see it then get back to me. Some of those disidents would bring china to its knees if they had there way, or do you think religions that devide people by race are a good idea, well nether do the Chines government, so they band the cult. I dont see the Chines bombing the crap out of other peoples countries! Like our wonderful western governments! o yea human rights, what about all those Iraqis.

China is many things and one of those is a repressive regime however impressed/blind you were when you visited.

Maybe it just is not as bad as you think it is, why not go and see for you self?

Oh ok. I stand corrected. If it looks ok, then it must be.

Just one question…. do you believe in Father Christmas?
No but i believe what i saw with my own eyes, go see for you’re self and then get back to me.

ilovemygears – he might have been however it makes no odds.

two main things to be considered:

Was the push legal, ie was it reasonable force?
Did the push led to his death?

If the answers are no and yes then its manslaughter

In my view the answer the the first question in ‘YES’

Have you ever been to china and seen it for you’re self just out of interest? It wasn’t the place i expected it to be.
Did the members of the communist sing Carpenters songs on street corners, while stroking ickle fwuffy kittens?

Nope in many ways it has become developed than this country, its the fastest developing country in human history, its amazing!

He was a alcoholic that was near death any way, if he wasn’t a alcoholic the fall wouldn’t have killed him.
If you accept the fall killed him then if someone pushed him on purpose thats manslughter.

If you accept that the fall killed him then if he hadn’t been pushed he would still be here today. Therefore unlawful killing.

Your command of logic is poor. I don’t think you are a troll, just an effing prick.

To me he looked like he was going slow on deliberative, secondly go fall under a lorry! .

Godwins law doesnt apply on stw, threads go on for ages. Are you looking for an excuse to leave?

Nope

Also im not a liberal or any other kind of political sheep, i believe a wide range of things from all aspects of political doctrine. Have you ever been to china and seen it for you’re self just out of interest? It wasn’t the place i expected it to be.

just watched the video, he had his hands in his pocks, he could have moved a bit faster, he hardly touched him. He was a alcoholic that was near death any way, if he wasn’t a alcoholic the fall wouldn’t have killed him.

binners – Member
You seem to be doing the ‘unquestioning’ thing rather well. Carry on. Any views on the holocaust? Personally, I never saw that happen. Therefore …..

right thats it some Muppet has brought the Hitler argument in, the thread is now dead 🙁

sunline V1 really good

I would like to see incidents like this dealt with as corporate manslaughter – I want to see the senior officers in dock as well. someone recruited him, trained him, briefed him etc. They are culpable as well.

If you die from falling over then some thing must have already been wronge with him, he wouldnt have been pushed if he did what he was told, hence his problem.

i like the white rims they go with the black frame really well 🙂

i want to know what a libairas is!

its a ‘liberals’ spelt by a dyslexic person!

In China both the criminals and law abiding majority fear the police the criminals fear having to pay bribes and fear being beaten up or killed and the law abiding majority fear being beaten up killed or deprived of their homes on a political whim. I’m sure as a westerner with money and freedom to leave you felt safe and protected but you might want to consider how real people living under that system before you laud it.

I spent all my time in Beijing i can only say what i saw. Im not saying that doesn’t happen, im just stating my own experiences.
Also there is a lot of anti china propaganda in western news papers such as the Guardian and dailmail. Most of it is shit!

but all that happened was he got pushed over for being a pain in the ass and not doing what he was told.

he was trapped by the kettling operation and unable to leave to go home from his place of work. Do you consider wanting to go home after work being a pain in the ass?
quote]No im not a troll, unless by troll you mean i dont think like you do. Actually I meant no one could be as stupid as think China was an excellent role model for how policing and the state should impact on citizen lifes.
Thats what i dont get about the liberal left wing, there not very tolerant to any ideas apart from there own.

I should tolerate someone who thinks the police should routinely thump citizens? Why exactly should I be turning a blind eye to this? I have no issue with your right to hold this view but you cannot expect me to like it nor let it go unchallenged.
Like the left wing student that cant see the irony in wanting to ban right wing party’s such as the BNP. Liberal as long as you share there belifes if not you must be stupid or evil. It makes me lol Both left and right are retarded

You are aware that the state you hold up as a model is the only one banning other parties and imprisoning people for their views. No one else has suggested this on this thread except you and then you mock everyone else as retatarded
And be fair as well …you appear to be both stupid and evil

So basicly as i dont agrea with ur views i must be a bad person. That makes me lol it really does. I dont think any party should be band, but history has shown both left and right are just as evil so i was simply pointing out the ironly of so called libairas wanting to ban other partys they dont like. Meaning their fascists s not liberals as a true liberal wouldn’t want to ban any thing. Sir you are a retard!

Edit: i want to live in a country were crime does not pay. I want to live in a country that uses gangsters for target practice, and were granny’s can go down the street with out getting mugged, and if that means some little shit bags get beaten to death so be it.

he makes me lol.

why?

never have, but were my lid even when im on the train with my bike 🙂

lol it reminded my of my miss spent youth. 🙂

I hope you are a troll or else you have theat excellent mix of stupidty and alack of comapssion. i hope [only alittle bit mind]you never get killed walking home from work by the same police you support to **** whomever they feel like

No im not a troll, unless by troll you mean i dont think like you do. Thats what i dont get about the liberal left wing, there not very tolerant to any ideas apart from there own.Like the left wing student that cant see the irony in wanting to ban right wing party’s such as the BNP. Liberal as long as you share there belifes if not you must be stupid or evil. It makes me lol 🙂 Both left and right are retarded.

duel control shifters, there amazing, now i can change gear properly.

life has thought me many things, one of them is the police are actually quite hard and to get the **** out of there way. He was a piss head that got in the way. end of story. we need the police to be hard fukers, with guns and shit, then they could control the chav problem, gansta problem etc. Been to china for a few mounts not so long ago, no chav problem there no pissed up ****. Because the police would beat ur head in with iron bar if you did. Needles to say i felt much safer there, left some money in a cash machine and some guy chased me down the street to give it to me. No i dont read the Daily Mail or the Guardian, i think for my self.

i always use a normal tube patch, works really good