Being reported as 26 dead, 18 of which kids, biggest massacre in US history, 20 yr old gunman now dead. Awful tragedy, those parents, i can’t bear to think of what they must be going through.

Ha, i just had to explain to some yotties that a 100mm travel Halfords Boardman special is not actually regarded as a mountain bike these days, since the term Mountain Biker has since actually been redefined with the advent of Lifts going to the top of actual Mountains.

Wish I’d been there, I’d have grabbed the mike.

There wasn’t a mike?

I’d have found a bottle…

Quality, good on her, loved her then, love her even more now, didn’t even mind her Dad.

I’m concerned I can even remember the correct term for it. “snarfing”

Have I?

Might have 😳

She was awesome though…

If ever you get to go to Cuba, go and visit their Museum of the revolution, see what the CIA were doing to them in the 60’s then everyone wondered why missiles got installed and the world stood on the brink of Nuclear destruction.

They are nice, very cool bike a mate rides one, good winter bike.

World gone stupid. All the things we used to enjoy as kids, knives, air guns, so does than mean kids can only use cross bows in Scotland now?

What would William Wallace think?

Funny, I only saw what I thought was one of those on the way home last week, vaguely pig like, wandering around the Army camp, not likely to last long with all those ghurkas wandering about I thought.

Unusual enough to wind down the window and grab a picky

The breadknife and I watched that programme and it almost had her believe it was faked, then she was only 9 at the time. I stayed up that night and watched it, the Aussies actually got to hear the walk bit first as I remember, it would have been kind of difficult to fool them.

The bit of film that always got me was the hammer and feather drop filmed in a later mission again not an easy thing to fake and why do it anyway, what would have been the point?

It was a very different world back in ’69 we’d even won the world cup not long since, so anything seemed possible.

I’m so sorry to hear about your friends sister, I read about it on the plane on the way back from Innsbruch yesterday, nasty accident, she looked a really cool lass, I hope she comes through OK.

I’m advised not, by my new suspension supplier BOS, they tried it twenty years back apparently and it wears too soon, or so they claim, reckon it’s just marketing BS and their coating is twenty times as resilient, time will tell I guess.

How’s work?

“Got to work for just before 7 last night out at just after 7, got back at 8 this morning and had 2 30 minute breaks during that time.”

Wow what do you do?

Er moderate a forum of bastards who keep writing stuff I disagree with… 😉

jonah tonto – Member
ok so both of these proposals are on the same site.

tidal lagoon.
power for 100,000 homes for 100 years. no government money required.
http://www.thisissouthwales.co.uk/story-17211411-detail/story.html

That’s exactly the kind of thing we should have all around our coastlines, low impact, reliable energy and 16 hours every day and at different times around the country.

trailofdestruction – Member

Not a good day for me, but wtf do you care.

Well I care, which is why I thought I’d ask here, knowing there is a diverse range of folk with perhaps some inside knowledge.

I don’t trust this Government, I don’t trust them because they’re arrogant and stupid. I also don’t like the way the media is being manipulated, I’m on a real hate with the media and will often take an opposite viewpoint purely because of that.

I’ve found this thread quite enlightening however, my personal view on power is that they are not considering tide which we have an abundance of and it’s regular, having lived a good proportion of my life in the shadow not only of Dungeness Nuclear power, but all the French stations on their coast, I guess it’s not done me or mine any harm yet and given it’s a known threat it is the lessor evil than digging up resources that will be denied future generations.

Something defo wrong with that picture..

Since when did snowboarders wax their boards whilst drinking red wine?

Worlds gone to the dogs.

(and you should try to find an iron without steam holes)

(and that snowboards got dry rails and has been ridden by a girl.) 😉

CaptainFlashheart – Member
Sooooo, what do we think of these then?

Oakley Airwave. GPS, Blueteeth, and you can answer your phone and txts while ur on a chrlft! AWSM!

Or not

Just the sort of thing that would appeal to our skiing brethren.. They can stay in touch with the office whilst they’re on the slopes. 😕 Do they get to answer emails with them? 😉

I’m in Innsbruch right now, at the Santa Cruz snowboard meeting, it’s had quite a dump, at least up to my arm pits, (which doesn’t mean it’s that deep), never ridden here before, done Axams a while back for a day, but I’m quite surprised (pleasantly) at just how much there is here and how easily accessible it is from the town.

The point I’m trying to make here, is no matter what the geographic persuasion, put one human being ‘in control’ of all the others and introduce group violence or social ‘protection’ and horrendous atrocity’s always result and of course ar fully justified by the victors.

Make no mistake however, Hitler at the height of his power was lauded by virtually every single (none jewish)German, all the time they were ‘winning’ even today there are still those who think he was right but was undermined by elements in the Wehrmacht.

We hold Churchill up as a hero, the saviour of the free world, which he was by our perspective, but he was no saint and at the end of the day it was the blood, guts and toil on behalf of the ordinary Brits that did it. The Alan Turins, the Barnes Wallis’s, the R.J.Mitchells who were the real relatively unsung heroes, not to mention the tens of thousands of airmen, naval forces and troops on the ground who suffered at the hands of those leaders.

Which does beg the question why do we allow ourselves to be governed?

As you rightly point out, it’s still going on today in the Middle East and Afghanistan, so why do we put up with it?

CaptainFlashheart – Member
Ever wondered why you have to carry those pole things everywhere?
Well, apart from enhancing my turning and balance, no, not really. Oh, and I don’t HAVE to carry them. I choose to. No law dictates that I have to have them.

No, it’s not a law, but it is a ‘rule’ which you could choose to break, with er ‘free will’ that little gift we all have and can choose to exercise.

I’m surprised you ski, you are one of my favourite posters on this sight excellent wit and repartee, I also note you choose to wakeboard with that free will of yours, so I can’t help wondering why you don’t choose to free your mind on the mountain. Not that it’s any of my business of course, just wondering. Back to the poles thing you skiers have the benefit of our sidecuts these days so really no need for all that pole planting and I’m wondering why y’all still hang on to them. I gave up skiing in 93 after a nasty Avalanche incident and having learned to snowboard, never went back.

Not that this has anything whatsoever to do with dodging speeding fines, so pardon the red herring.

Does nobody follow the old adage about ‘rules’?

You know, being for the obedience of fools and the guidance of wise men?

No?

Enjoy that skiing do you? Ever wondered why you have to carry those pole things everywhere?

CaptainSlow – Member

I was pointing out that Stalin was an arsehole just as much as the rest of those considered by history as being evil.

Ask a fair number of French and they’ll reckon Churchill was an arsehole, for pulling out the airforce too soon and sinking their fleet and some Germans blame him for starting the war in the first place, it’s all a matter of perspective. Wars bring arseholes to the surface and gives them purpose. Anyone want to talk about Kitchener in the first bloodbath?

buzz-lightyear – Member
Cox

+1, Fresh off the tree, none other comes close.

Orange pippin.

stumpynya12 – Member
Oh my god two skierists

There are skiers here? Why doesn’t that surprise me. 😕

Skiers, football fans, roadies, no wonder everyone wants to pony up and pay their fines.

BenHouldsworth – Member
Igrf, these things don’t trigger if your under the speed limit so tough s**t, if your 32 in 30 then sorry but trying to blag it is no better than the whiplash folk who drive insurance up, just be responsible

Have you done much driving chum? The fast lane is nose to tail at 80 mph, it’s been that way for I can’t remember how long, motorway speed limits are the same now as they were in the sixties, before disk brakes, abs, wide tyres and heavens know how many additional safety features, not least the roads themselves.

It’s a source of revenue, those cameras, and plod with the mobiles, and those of us that need licenses to work suffer the most from it. ‘It’ is also a machine accusing a human of an offence punishable by a fine and or considerable inconvenience. If, as i said before it were a Police officer going about his duty pursuing the offender, catchng him etc, then fair enough, but it’s not like that is it?

It’s nothing like whiplash, whiplash con artists drive up the cost of insurance for everyone, avoiding a camera issued speeding ticket, hurts no-one.

Personally I fight every time, first thing check the equipment has been certified accurate recently, then the radio thing, they do intefere with the signal, that is if the notification was sent to exactly the correct address, (the mail service these days genuinely does fail to deliver stuff, was it recorded delivery/) ask to see the photograph proving it was actually you at the wheel (Only if you acknowledge receipt of the documentation).

Is the car registered with you or a third entity? e.g. Company car, I managed to get one of my reps off due to a dating error, it sounds like they may have made some sort of location error, so it could be worth getting a brief to look at it.

It’s another form of taxation imv, so fight it every time. If it’s old bill himself and a regular pull, fair cop and I’ll hands up to it, but machine’s and lazy arses sat in cars playing car billiards? **** em.

jonah tonto – Member
the population of Dresden didn’t talk much about the war either

ha try discussing that with someone who gives a damn what happened to War time Germans
They lost 25,000, London lost over 30,000 and over a much longer period, Not to mention Liverpool, & Bristol details of which were kept quiet because things were so bad, then there’s Coventry the template for the whole affair 550 bombers in waves lasting 12 hours none stop.

RichPenny – Member
Do you actually believe if they won, they’d have simply turned our country back over to us as we did?
Are you forgetting the part where we handed control of half of Germany and most of Eastern Europe to a psychopathic dictator? Many people who fought for the Allies couldn’t even go home after the war

CaptainSlow – Member
You really need to study what happened, read up on it, ‘they’ the Germans, and the Japs were a whole lot worse than the Allies, propaganda aside, Russia lost 20 million dead, 20 million!, that’s on top of the 6 million Jews slaughtered.
Yet you don’t mention a great number of those 20m dead were caused by their own side. Stalin was no less evil than Hitler. No surrender, rape, murder, clearing minefields with infantry to save the tanks, starvation, executions……his tools were similar and his intent the same.

Perhaps our greatest war crime was our alliance with Stalin

Without Stalin and the alliance with him we’d have lost, no question, as it was it was a damn close run thing.

By the time the infamous Yalta conference which seeded all that territory, we were a spent force and Roosevelt was seriously ill, plus he’d lost more than the Allies put together and couldn’t trust the ‘capitalist’ west so needed a buffer zone, I’d have done exactly the same in his shoes, there were already Maverick Yank Generals like Patton spoiling for a fight with the ‘commie bastards’. They like us had been at war for four years the yanks had only been engaged for two and hadn’t suffered anything like the losses.

It was a nasty business, but we were in no position to dictate terms and lucky to come out of it retaining what we did and even then the seeds were sown for the passing over of control of large tracts of the ‘Empire’ to the Yanks, who settled our hash once and for all at Suez in ’56.

All sides during the war seemed to be pretty guilty of some awful atrocities as well and I never buy the line “oh well they started it so they reaped what the sowed”.

You really need to study what happened, read up on it, ‘they’ the Germans, and the Japs were a whole lot worse than the Allies, propaganda aside, Russia lost 20 million dead, 20 million!, that’s on top of the 6 million Jews slaughtered.
Don’t ever let any revisionistic liberal bullshit play that ‘both side were as bad as each other’ card, it really wasn’t like that at all, they were evil butchers, convinced of their own racial superiority slaughtering untermenscheng sub humans.

Do you actually believe if they won, they’d have simply turned our country back over to us as we did?

bwaarp – Member

Also Germany didn’t start bombing London because they failed to subdue fighter command, they did it after bomber command accidentally bombed on of their cities (Berlin I think) instead of a military target.

What happened, one of theirs Bombed London first and it was an accident by an off course Bomber ditching its load, Churchill (possibly seized upon the incident)retaliated by Bombing Berlin and in a way sacrificed London precisely to save the fighter command airports that were getting hammered.

Either way at that time (1940 we didn’t have the longer range Lancasters that were to do the damage later in the War).

As to my reference back there to 2009 it was intended to illustrate the time period, from September 2009 until now, that England was fighting alone, Russia wasn’t attacked until June of 2011 and the whole thing was to continue until 2015, a bit like this recession only lots of folk were dying and bombs and then rockets were being dropped on us, and you wonder why some folk still hate Germans.

BTW, today is December 7; the day Pearl Harbor was attacked bringing the US into the war.

Just to keep some perspective, now, realise that we’d been at war, alone, since September 2009 when you think of all the movies showing us how they won the bloody thing for us.

My old man was in the Raf, my Grandfather was in the Great War, disfigured, never really talked about it, the old man however said he had the time of his life. I guess it depended on what happened to you, but the fact still remains as far as the bombing was concerned the Germans were carpet bombing London long before the RAF had capability to match what were really atrocity’s against the civilian population, taken because they couldn’t subdue the RAF fighters during daytime operations.

Londoners survived because they pretty much lived in Tube stations at night. My Grandfather lost his hardware stores, 3 of them pretty much wiped him out.

I used to get moments of eye streaming laughter from some Tom Sharpe novels, Riotous assembly springs to mind, but there are a few others, something Wilt as I recall.

No, I’m sorry to say they’ve slipped back in the delivery schedule and are unlikely to be here this side of Christmas, they discovered a problem testing the prototypes we saw this summer and it set production back a month.

The Alloy Coverts are due to dock tomorrow and the build kits are in house, as are the first Bandits, but we’re not holding our breath for the Carbon Coverts anytime soon, January has to be a more realistic date, sorry but better they get it right than rush it to market and face the sort of problems some other brands have had.

I had to stop watching that after a while, never thought I’d find a bloody Taxi driver, who I generally hate with a vengeance with more common sense than a biker. I have to say it made me realise what a bubble I dwell in, I hand’t realised just how many more roadies there now are, if they are anything like the born again (motor)bikers of the late nineties and early noughties then it is hardly surprising there is this increased level of intolerance of one another from a road commuters perspective.

And as for Plod on a bike, Geez doesn’t it just make you hate them even more..

Sadly it also goes to explain what has happened here during the period from before when the place crashed and now, just so many more who cycle but seem to no longer have either that ‘savvy’ or sense of commonality that we as a minority group used to have back a while ago.

A sad programme and scary reflection of just how crowded and dangerous our roads are and how little awareness of their own mortality some riders appear to have.

I like the one about him getting his cock out to you..

Better still he did it in front of your little girl/boy who is now traumatised and can’t speak…

Or quietly threaten him that, that could happen to him if he persists, in the nicest possible way of course…

MrSmith – Member

I though that was Yorkshire?

No, they’re all “Honest” Yorkshire men, everything Yorkshire based is prefixed with the word ‘honest’ which leads me to believe that once upon a time probably there were not many folk or things that were, if they have had to get into the habit of ‘honest’ self description.

Mind you the women up there must be rogues you never seem to hear of the word being used to describe a Yorkshire woman, do you?

Favorite thing about London?

The road(or rail) home to the coast.

I hate the place, horrible noisy, hustle, bustle, my daughters, Eurotrash, can’t think of a single endearing quality..

If you’re considering kite surfing, then buy a trainer kite like this, but don’t try actual kitesurfing on the water without lessons, people die and quite frequently.

Windsurfing is something different, it takes a little longer, is more expensive and you need more equipment, but has greater opportunities and can be done on all sorts of water environments.

Kitesurfing can be quite quick to learn, but as I pointed out earlier can also be more dangerous, especially if the kite goes out of control with you still attached to it, which does happen, so knowing how to fly a kite, by practising as often as you can is a benefit. Take lessons from a professional instructor as you would if you were learning to fly or hang glide.

You can also do it on land as someone else pointed out, one of those trainer kites can power a mountain board (kind of an off road oversize skateboard) or kite buggy (a three wheeled trike you steer with your feet) all quite good fun especially somewhere like Saunton, isn’t there a shop in the village that sells all this stuff?

Correct me if I’m wrong but isn’t he one of Liverpools favourite folk?

What’s he doing writing in the Torygraph, I thought it was supposedly a serious newspaper?

An interesting read about a well priced product.

Suit up, it shows respect, even though we may be T shirt and Baggy wearing bozos, on the odd occasion we can always raise our game and we need to know you can… There are a lot of ‘suits’ in cycling and occasionally we have to deal with them and suit up ourselves… Tedious but fact.

Rusty Shackleford – Member
igrf – Member
I’m not sure how much I’m allowed to spiel…

Not wanting to twist your arm, but are we finally going to see a new UK importer for BOS?

Yes, I can confirm that, but until we’re fully trained and have our workshop up to speed, we’ve been leaving it as a badly kept secret. But our intention is to have stock at the end of a B2B, a complete service unit with hopefully a bit of support at events where it may be required, we’ll be offering Bos upgrades to Transition and trying to encourage some other higher end brands to follow suit.
Our training slot is Dec 17th so we’ll hopefully be going live before Xmas and on my desk right now is an open order once I’ve finalised pricing, so there, the power of the internet, you now know more than half the trade. 😉