Not read all the subsequent but that aside I’d say you have a pretty watertight unfair dismissal case there as well, you just can’t do that without due process which involves warnings, witnesses and procedures as I know only too well from trying to fire folk.

As to the debt, if you can prove the full and final settlement thing with something written you have nothing to worry about.

ahem, I’m back now, I’d had a few when I posted that last one, apologies to the bondage folk it’s fine, each to his/her own. I just found it so hilarious, this place being so pc about what gets posted, honestly if I posted the pics that were on those German Ads I’d get a ban or at the very least an ‘inappropriate’ warning like the one when I posted a shot of a nice multiple road bike crash..

Anyway glad to see I’m back being told to ask Frank.. That must be my hetracil dependency, drug browsing does that then..:lol:

I don’t turn the ads of a)cos I like them I’m kinda weird that way and b) I never realised what being tied up and thrashed by a naked fraulein was like until now, complete value for money from premier sub.

And now I’ve fully experienced the whole Gay Boys in Bondage thing, I’m totally ready for my first road bike.

And I can thank STW for the final life experience fulfilment

And all this for two quid a month – bonus

PS Helga says Hi.

🙂

Well I can assure all, bondage isn’t one of my regular browsing habits..

Hey, back off now, I don’t need a bunch of you lecturing me on my moral compass thanks just the same. As I said it was a long time ago, before a lot of you were born, and is no different to those folk who were actually raped by JS and chose to say nothing. It was what we did in those days, you’d have to have lived through it to comment you didn’t so don’t. The thread is about the worse person I know, he’s it, end of. AKAIK it wasn’t rape, I don’t even know what if any sexual act took place, nothing I could prove or disprove, so I did what everybody would have done ignored it.

You have all been bought up in different times, this place has a real disconnect with the real world at the best of times and has absolutely no connect with the life I know, so we’ll beg to differ and I’ll leave it at that, unlike some of you, I don’t consider myself Holy enough to cast the first stone..

Coyote – Member
Things were different back then
It takes two to tango
Do you really think none of those pop stars of the sixties and seventies didn’t take full advantage?
Sorry dude but abuse is abuse, simple. No excuses, no sharing the blame with a minor. That’s why there is a legal age of consent. RE the 60’s pop starts, hopefully the J. Saville enquiry will bring a few chickens home to roost.

By doing nothing, you are enabling his habits. But that’s your choice. However if I had a “friend” who was a paedo *and* had a pop at my daughter, I’m not sure if I would be quite so relaxed about it.

Everything you say here is perfectly true and sound, I’d question the pop stars of the sixties and seventies Gary Gilter was the tip of the iceberg he was just a sad bastard that couldn’t give it up and the rest is history, but life is a question of priorities and living it and getting by is the number one. Ratting people out to the authorities for my generation is absolute no go territory. Who am I to judge, it’s only now because of this new generation of standards that these things even arise.

I’m not going to get into the morals of what he was doing it was wrong he is a bad person who lingers and has got away with it partly through my compliance. I’ll live with that, there are others, the gay paedo scout leader who had his hands up my shorts on the top of the bus, or wouldn’t leave me alone (or as I subsequently found out at a scout reunion many years later loads of others) who went on to become a teacher. Was that abuse or was that just part of the low level sexual activity that went on amongst young lads in their early teens at scout camp, you don’t know until you’re educated otherwise much later in life you’ll also note the ‘gay’ undercurrent running through this and my firm belief ‘they’ are usually worse than straight folk. However who are we to judge? No real harm is done, you avoid buses, leg it if you see them and fight like a bastard if they catch up with you, then when you”re older a bunch of you corner them outside and beat the living shit out of them. No nanny state or authorities necessary really..

in some cases it takes two to tango.

Not when they are a minor.

Really? Do you get out much? Never watched ‘Beatle Mania’ amongst teen and pre teen girls? Do you really think none of those pop stars of the sixties and seventies didn’t take full advantage?

nealglover – Member
and yes he’s had a go at my girls
and you still “socialise” with him.

Wow.

And to all the other quotes, this is why it’s so bloody difficult, any normal bad person, easy to deal with, this bloke is a really likeable guy, kind of almost grown up with the idiot, saved his life once pulled him out of the sea, I’m supposed to be skiing with him and his gang right now kind of reunion but work got in the way (it’s been twenty years since I skied with them).
Things were different back then, which is exactly how Jimmy Saville did get away with it, then time rolls on and here we are in our sixties, me still riddled with guilt I didn’t act in the way some of you point out and frankly even now I wouldn’t, I’ve no idea what went on in that room, the little girl was giggling away and gave a mock scream but it was more naughty delight than fear or horror.
So fast forward to this, he is probably the worse person I know, yet will do nothing about, it’s the human condition, we do this, it’s all very well bashing bile at a keyboard, but real life is more complicated. My girls? They are well capable of dealing with **** like him which is probably why he preyed on the young innocent types which he did for some time after (not quite as young obviously, 18, 19 yr olds). Anyway no wish to drag Jimmy Saville back into the frame, but there are lots like him and in some cases it takes two to tango. (And there’s no BBC to claim compensayshun from in this case)

mikewsmith – Member
It comes complete with a tailgate pad, you can hang 4 or 5 MTB’s off the back, I’ll see if I can find a pic and edit it in.
Easy removed too

Yep does depend if you’re genuinely using it to transport the bikes to and from a trail area, I have left it here and there for an hour or so, but the boys up at Herts made me take the bikes off the back and take them inside whilst we went for an Indian, so it does depend on your locality I guess.

Then you can run a lock cable through them and vans ain’t necessarily any safer it somebody is aware of what’s inside, they’re just more visible initally I guess which if anything hones your own sense of security, I guess having been a committed pick up user these past ten years or so you get into a routine to suit, funnily enough I’m thinking of returning to using a van for other reasons, but I do prefer a pick up for the sheer convenience of other stuff you can do with it.

orangeboy – Member
Pick ups and bikes seem like a pain in the ass but willing to listen

It comes complete with a tailgate pad, you can hang 4 or 5 MTB’s off the back, I’ll see if I can find a pic and edit it in.

VW Amarok, just about to sell mine if you’re interested..

It’s a difficult one this, compared to the OP, I must have had a sheltered life and or have always fought back however disadvantaged my size might have put me at in the face of rudeness and aggression, so the worse person I ever had revealed to me unfortunately was a friend on a ski trip, it was back in the late seventies early eighties, known him since he was 14, by this time we were in our thirties and it was one of ‘those ski trips they used to write about in the Sun of the period.

But bear with me a bit, so girls and the general shagging thereof was rife everywhere at the time, but we were in a family hotel and there were these kids messing about everywhere and a couple in particular we larked about with joshing with them, they must have been about eleven and thirteen.
So I was looking for my other mate who was sharing a room and just blundered into their room to find this guy in bed with the thirteen year old kid, honestly I didn’t know what to say, mixture initially of embarrassment then later anger, but other than taking the piss unmercifully that he was ‘cradle snatching’ I didn’t do enough about it at the time I now feel with the hindsite of becoming a parent in later years.
That he was, still is a bloody paedo (and has bi sexual traits)that I still occasionally run into and have to socialise with still gives me mixed feelings, I’ve made sure anyone and everyone knows what he is capable of and to be honest I’ve not heard any further repetition, (in later years his gay actvity attracted more gossip) not that that means it hasn’t gone on, but as a person to my mind on the surface he is hail fellow well met, quite liked, is very successful with the trappings of wealth which attracts the usual social climbing types, the thought that could have been my kids and yes he’s had a go at my girls, but they have always been well equipped to deal with pervs and reduce him with savage irony at every turn.
So he’s a bad person and makes me feel bad in not taking more action, a difficult one, why I’m blathering on here about it I do not know, bored at work I guess.

samuri – Member
It is interesting but I think the points I came away with were…

What a mess! They have cables all over the place and the bedroom looked like my son’s. I would have thought keeping things tidy was mandatory, you don’t want to pull out the cable that keeps them up there by accident.

That lady had nice smooth legs. How does she shave? How do any of them shave without hair getting everywhere?

Has anyone had sex up there yet?

+1 All the above.

Absolutely fascinating though thanks for posting the link..

Junkyard – Member
i use the term god for the abrahamic faiths and use the names of any other i refer to as a rule.

Yes I understand that, as do a lot of the more verbal atheist types, which is why throughout the thread, I’ve tried to broaden the discussion, we are after all more a ‘global’ community these days and the God concept, like it or not is pretty universal and often pre dates abrahamic faiths.

So perhaps the discussion should be using the term ‘supreme being’ or ‘entity’ be used as to wether something existed to put ‘Big Bang’ into place. ‘Big Bang’ effectively being creation as we know it.

First thing I’d do, is call my bank managers (and ask them to bring their managers with them for a special announcement, hinting at bad news so they’d better be prepared,) I’d probably invite my local Tory MP to the meeting as well.

Then I’d set to with one of those automatic paintball guns, after I’d made them sweat thinking it was real and i was about to lose the plot with them.

And as I left the room I’d chuck in one of those monster paintball grenade things, video the whole thing and put it on you tube..

Then I’d buy a **** off big yacht and er **** off, probably stooge around the Caribbean in the winter and the Med in summer, oh and I’d make sure it had sat internet, from which I’d come on here to torment y’all from time to time..

A way to dispose of nuclear waste without burying it in the lake district.

We should sell it to Iran, get some third party to convince them they can make bombs out of it..

or sell it to the jocks, just say it’s half price, and suggest they could maybe sell it on to Iran..

I’m sure they’d buy it all.

At windsurfing yes definitely, at snowboarding, probably, at kitesurfing, not sure think there’s more to come, don’t get out often enough. At sailing a dinghy no definitely not, still got lots to learn, finally if you’d asked me a couple of years back wether I’d peaked at riding a mountain bike I’d have said yes definitely, then I got born again on a run called ‘crank it up’ following that Geoff Gullevitch fella in Whistler, and then had the good sense to go on a course with Tony Doyle AKA jedi here and realised 1)I aint dead just yet and 2) there’s still stacks more to learn about riding a bike..

I’ll be 65 next birthday.

I’ll tell you what I know.

They’re crap, they were an apology for a car in their day, the original hairdressers vehicle, if you happened to be female and didn’t want to drive too fast. They lost the back end at just the hint of a greasy road, too much weight in the ends. No idea if and when they ever had a proper Porsche Engine, my memory of it was a VW Audi lump, bested speed and handling wise by a Golf Gti of the period.

Nicer looking was the 944, but it’s handling wasn’t much better and was a bitter disappointment to me when I bought one having traded a perfectly decent Toyota Supra, snobbishly a victim to badge marketing as I was.

If I were looking for some genuine mid life crisis classic Porsche thing, try and find a 356 or even build one of those kit versions there are about..

Better off buying those two and three part things we sell, google Point 65 Tequila, Martini and Mercury.

Quality Dragons Den moment to that cock Bannatyne “Sorry I didn’t understand a word you said” rofl.

Junkyard – Member

The rules of god are written down you cannot really change the moral pronouncements as stated in the bible and abomination that should be put to death is pretty clear tbh.

Depends which “God” you choose, try Brahmin the Indian Hindu deity and creator of all life, allegedly construed as both sexes acting and living as as one.

CountZero – Member

But the ‘God’ didn’t say it did she? It was some mad mans interpretation and people were stupid enough to believe him.
So if it were to occur today and say Obama came down a mountain and told the American people God had spoken to him, would as many folk take it as gospel?

But isn’t that the point that many have been trying to make, that ‘the Word of God’, as handed down over the ages, is always that of a human being, who says that God spoke to him, and that everyone should accept this unequivocally, because God hath spoken?
This is why I’ve never been drawn to any faith, I was brought up to make up my own mind, and nothing I’ve ever read or heard has led to me wanting to join any particular faith or religion. Buddhism is the closest, basically because its predicated on improving oneself by being a good human being, without needing the approval or instruction of some nebulous, invisible deity.
I’ve come to think in terms of there being an underlying natural ‘force’, for want of a better term, that keeps the universe going, kind of like one mind-buggeringly huge coral or jellyfish, where everything is just a tiny part of an infinitely enormous multi-cellular creature. Give the whole ‘thing’ a name, call it ‘God’ or whatever you like, Pantheism is what comes closest to my way of thinking.
It avoids arguing about who’s right and who’s wrong, because, in the end, it’s just irrelevant.
I’m still enjoying the whole debate, I’m really glad that its kept going this long without really descending into opprobrium.
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There are so many conflicting trends and agendas, it’s kind of difficult to pick up on what folk are saying or trying to say, it’s a brave man who would declare faith on a thread like this in face of the big hitting atheist brigade, but you have only to see the two other poignant threads (suicide and lost son)running this last couple of days to understand why it is so important if only for our sanity at times to have something to believe in, or to seek solace within, be angry at, or attempt to reason. For what it’s worth I’m inclined to similar Pantheist views, it also ties in with a couple of other experiences that have given me to conclude there is more going on than a communal garden atheist would believe.
Atheism as so often indicated here is one of the main weapons in the homosexual lobby, it’s a dangerous pursuit to be politically propagated in a multicultural society such as ours, purely for the sake of sexual freedom as equally as the denial of its pursuit by the bigoted end of the Christian society, the outcome is peurile strife that clouds the quest for truth in my view.

I am very sorry to read this, I lost my only son in similar circumstances (Cot Death, sudden infant death syndrome they called it) All I can say is be prepared for a lot of pain and grief, you are in shock now, next comes the inevitable questions that shake any belief you might have to the core and you won’t know what to do with yourself, it is the worse thing that can happen to a parent.

Needless to say you have to keep your act together for your family, neither me or you posting on internet forums is going to do much, suffice to say although it was some twenty odd years ago now, I know exactly what you are and about to be going through.

My email is in the profile, if you feel you need someone to just chat to please don’t hesitate to contact me I’ll give you my cel, it is an absolute hellish experience to have to deal with and one i can’t boast to have ever really recovered from, My Mrs handled it differently to me and wouldn’t talk, still doesn’t and you don’t want to dump on others so you end up dealing with it inwardly which can also **** you up in different ways which I’m happy to chat with you about.

But, like me you probably wont want to and that’s O.K., but I’m sincere in the offer.

What else can i say, all it does is open the wound, you have my very deepest sympathy.

Junkyard – Member
it’s not religion, or God, it is stupid folks interpretation

it sometime what the god says – homosexuality bad

But the ‘God’ didn’t say it did she? It was some mad mans interpretation and people were stupid enough to believe him.

So if it were to occur today and say Obama came down a mountain and told the American people God had spoken to him, would as many folk take it as gospel?

You’ll be telling me L Ron Hubbard was wrong next.

Ok Ok it was a troll that last bit, it just slipped out, I’ll stop now 😉

TuckerUK – Member
The thing is, as I’ve tried to point out a few times before, religion isn’t some lovely harmless thing that we can let people get one with and mind our own business.

Religion mutilates children’s genitals (Christians, in the UK), subjugates women, encourages homophobia, discourages safe sex and family planning, blows people up, starts wars, continues wars…

I’m becoming concerned with your fixation on children’s genitals, this must be the third or fourth time now, are you a teacher by any chance?

And as to religion doing it, it’s not religion, or God, it is stupid folks interpretation.

See that post back there.. Ironic it was 911 just as I was about to counter it with the fact that the leader of their biggest opposing force also believes in God, some would argue the same God, but both think each other are evil.

Well you must surely all draw comfort that the leader of the most powerful nation on earth, commander of it’s biggest army and arguably most destructive force, to this very day, believes in God.

If God is a woman, then yes she probably has (been lying to you).

So is there likely to be another wendyball statue as a result of this then?

Just asking…

Junkyard – Member
I put in no effort to achieve this and i dont troll you.

It’s that constant inward outward drawing of breath that’s doing it.. 😉

nealglover – Member
and What has this thread got to offer?

Bloody crisp flavours !

Dude, adjust your priorities,

Crisps are the third most important thing in life after riding, which goes…

Ride: Beer: Crisps: in that order.

The fact your local consistently fails to order your favourite flavour despite constant reminders is a major trauma in one’s life, this thread could develop suggestions as to what to do with a local pub that signally fails to satisfy it’s riding population in the crisp department despite frequent warnings.

I can only live in hope.

CaptainFlashheart – Member
Sum yung gai?

Familiar with that flavour are we Cap’n?

molgrips – Member
I don’t expect the authorities really gave a crap as to what revolved around what. I think they would have cared a great deal about being made to look stupid though. Especially when their power base was built upon being the only people who could tell you what was right.

If I could risk sticking my head back in here for a minute before Junkyard irritates me off again, I would pick up on this and your earlier well made point about the authority of religion, which to my mind is what we in the west ultimately suffer from.

Back in Feudal times the battle for control was between the church and the various Crowned Heads of Europe, both of course claim divine right to rule, so the agenda was the definition of Gods desire, wether he permits you to rule by birth or selection from Rome.

So your assertion that authority has changed is correct, but it was that battle for authority that muddied the whole Judaeo Christian teaching in the first place and why, personally looking further East for a solution I felt at the time was a better idea.

Whatever.. Carry on, I’m off again, in the greater scheme of things with the appearance of a Crisp rant there are more important things to do right now..

Ah just what’s needed for a Friday a crisp rant.

My particular beef (not the flavour)is with Asda Hog Roast, to which sadly I am addicted but mad as hell that they contain generally 6, but no more than 12 crisp items per pack, which means, one pack is never enough, this in turn feeds my addiction.

Other favourite flavours from the past

Brannigans Beef & Mustrad

Tyrells Thai Sweet Chilli

and recent up and coming delight..

Tyrells *something and cranberry

*Can’t remember exactly, only stumbled across them food shopping in Dobbies the Garden centre, no don’t ask, there is no logic in a female lead crisp acquisition trip.

molgrips – Member
No external evil force required, just self preservation and limited resources.

Hmm time to invoke Godwin i guess.

You did know Hitler really was an occultist?

TuckerUK – Member
OK, I get it, igrf, you’re trolling right? Got me going there for a minute. Good one.

No, actually I’m not, this is the longest running debate that i’ve ever participated within on here without it being closed or screwed by the usual big hitter arguments, i guess that suicide thread got me thinking a bit to be honest, so all I’m trying to suggest is that through agnosticism comes the quest for the answer and there is plenty out there if you look for it, as I did once upon a time in my youth. It is far far easier nowadays with the benefit of the interenet for young people to seek out the teachings of others, so my blatherings here were just to put the view that there most definitely (imho) something more out there and by piecing it together, combined with my particular personal experiences (Spiritualist Grand parents) it is possible to form a cohesive belief by which to live through this bollox nd come out the other end sane (ish) I’m not asking you to believe any of it, I’m just suggesting you look a little further with an open mind.

Yin & Yang is Chinese, Taoism, light dark, male female, we in the west subscribe good and evil to the symbol, but the point is both sides make life go round.

Self Evident if one exists then there is the other.