thats them…. aww go on tell me

and the sliders on the teleporter move the wrong way….

and as I admit to being of low IQ, how do u get these boxy things for copied bits of text…..

LOL I’d probably fail wrecker 😕

Virgin here we come….. Thanks for that

Deemed by whom Druidh – genuine question not awkwardness

I asked them for a signed copy containing that clause, I know it doesn’t exist.

I agree its not theft, charging for a service you don’t provide is fraudualent. My mistake 😉

Wrecker – not in 1981. I went on active service at 17 1/2

VinnyH – Don’t set me off on sending what are little more than children to fight pointless wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, coupled with the appalling treatment they get when they come back. That’s a different rant

And if the ability to procreate has any bearing on anything your suggesting children as young as 11 or 12 could be allowed to vote….

LenHankie, lets have a beer and put the world to rights lol

And what happened to the coffee forum that used to be in her when i posted in this place before. I suppose some politician abolished it as its not healthy enough!

Why can’t i say the Tw-t word lol

sorry STW I was cross 😮

In no particular order

Ed Milliband – Barefaced Liar elected by the union block vote. I’ll post about him deliberately misleading parliament re carbon scrubbing technologies in a separate thread if anyone’s interested.

Gordon Brown – For spending 11 years p155ing away our money like it was going out of fashion and for sulking at our expense since he lost the election and the leadership of the labour party, Oh and for being the worst Prime Minister this country has ever had.

Blair – just a ****

Pickles – Fat **** – i had the pleasure of telling him he was talking bollocks about student fees tripling

Gove – stitching up 640,000 kids by letting ofqual fiddle with grade boundaries.

Osbourne – Usless **** failing miserably to get the economy moving

Nick Clegg – Useless soundbite hunting monkey

Cameron – for not sacking Osbourne

Balls – smug and odious, brown sidekick so should crawl buck under stone and shutup as half of this massive national debt is his fault

Saint Vince of cable – proved to like the rest of them mouthing off to girle reporters about how he could bring the government down – ****

I don’t do direct debits after being billed £2239 at Christmas a couple of years ago for a £223.90 bill. Direct Debits also allow whoever you’ve authorized to dive into your bank account whenever they like for an unspecified amount of money. Not exactly what I call foo, proof.

And the cost of processing the debit card I pay with is less than 0.5%

The point is they are passing their cost of doing business, which is already factored into their charges, with a massive markup, on top of charging for a service they don’t provide 66.666r% of the time

Buy a used iPhone on ebay and get a SIM only contract.

Maybe not an IQ test but possibly they should be tested to see if they have a basic understanding of what they’re voting on. I know a dude of 53 who voted for one party all his life, and I quote, “cuz my dad told me to vote for them”

/Rant
And what about the Muppet Salmond in Scotland looking to give school children the vote in the independence referendum. Not old enough to vote in a general election, local, election, leave school, buy cigarettes, alcohol, fireworks or a bloody kitchen knife but old enough to vote on a constitutional issue….. I suspect my cat has a better understanding of the issue and whats at stake than the average school child that’s just seen braveheart!
/End_of_Rant

Hi Poly,

I know its a relative term and i also know about the before and after housing costs calculations. And I agree £12 a days not a lot to feed a family on.

A mate of mine is Head Chef in an OAP’s home, he gets about £13 a week each to feed them three times a day. Which I think is ridiculous.

LOL that didn’t work then, i was implying you simply can’t trust politicians.

It’s interesting that their definition is not the same as the NGOs working in the field. The 60% of median household income is approximately £286 a week which is a shed load lower than the £349 Bernardo’s work on.
More interesting is that the £286 figure goes down as the median income goes down in a recession thereby lowering the number of families in poverty.

Says it all really

Can’t trust them…..

lol Binners Crowe… See you at Euston next time you go on strike mate 😀

Ernie I’m struggling to find a group that uses that definition of relative poverty, where did it come from? I’ve looked at poverty action group, Berando’s and others. I was surprised to see that the definition of poverty from Bernado’s is £349 a week for a family of four. I’m not suggesting its wrong i just had my eyes opened!

I’m generally anti self serving politician, which is most of them in my opinion. That said I’m also anti people who can work not working. The tax and benefits system needs reform, like a sliding scale of benefit reduction as you earn more, to make working is always more lucrative than not, but equally that those in need get what they need and are not disenfranchised or socially excluded.

Binners – would you describe yourself as left of center in your politics 🙂

Child poverty is an utter disgrace and needs to be addressed, I’m appalled the governments of all colours have failed miserably to address the issue. Didn’t the last lot fail to meet their own targets?

The problem is how do you address it and what definition of poverty do you use. One definition is anyone earning less than 2/3 of the average wage is in poverty. Average wage for a male in the UK in 2012 is £30,790 (according to payscale inc) Now call me a raving Tory but I wouldn’t call £20k a year, or £384 a week poverty.

How to address it is another question but has to start with getting this bloody economy moving and getting people back into work. How you do that, if your not going to rely on growing an already bloated civil service, is serious rapid investment in major infrastructure projects like high speed rail links to the midlands and the North. A new airport in the Thames Estuary and new Power generation, renewable or Nuclear.

Vote for me I’ll upset everybody…..

I like the Cayman islands suggestion, though you could copy Jimmy Carr and go through an account in the Channel Islands….

Option to get a bit of biking in there as well

Small Block 8’s are fantastic tyres with excellent rolling capability, center four blocks are a harder compound, but good cornering grip. Fantastic if it not too muddy, that said I slogged through mud on a set today and they performed fine.

Have to caveat the above with the statement “i’m no expert so probably best to ignore me”

Given the debate above, hasn’t Clegg achieved what he wanted, recognition having basically disappeared after the great student fees rip-of, and the PR referendum?

Its a ploy to buy a point or two in the opinion polls, and as the Lib Dems will never get elected again, he can say what he likes.

But what constitutes overall household wealth?

Total income + property value + savings + pensions (that are already taxed three times and virtually worthless)?

That approach suggests to me if you’ve provided for yourself then prepare to be punished for doing so. Its time that people bit the bullet and accepted that both the welfare state and the government employment industry (civil service) need radical surgery as they’re unaffordable.

@Graham5, bugger! that’ll teach me to read more carefully in future!!

I just wonder where “They must pay their fair share” ends. What’s fair? I’m by no means loaded but I am sick of the politics of envy.

We have a massive debt and driving out the wealth creators with ridiculous taxation hikes won’t help the economy

O2 are pretty good broadband providers, also 1/2 price if you use thier mobile network

A question for Zulu Eleven;

How is anyone that earns, for arguments sake £100k, pays their taxes and might even employ one or two people a parasite?

Would you call a GP on £100k+, and there are lots of those after NuLabours reforms of the NHS, a year a parasite?

Or maybe the head of a big secondary school on $85k, parasite?

What about a senior Airline pilot on £95k, parasite as well?

or is it the perfectly able bodied dude that won’t take a job because its not good enough for them and they are better off on benefits that’s the parasite?

My view is those that can work should work, and those in genuine need should be looked after, properly, by the state

A couple of thoughts on this debate. Sorry its a long post:

The tax paid by the bottom 50% of taxpayers 24.1% of the total income tax take in the UK (source is the Office of National Statistics)

The tax paid by the top 5% of tax payers is 45.5% of the total income tax take in the UK (source is the Office of National Statistics)

So if the total tax take was £1,000,000,000

the top 5% would pay £455,000,0000
The bottom 50% would pay $241,000,000

If you even out the tax paid across the sample and then do the maths, it works out roughly as each tax payer in to top 5% already paying 11 times as much tax.

The other problem with raising tax endlessly is it reaches a point of diminishing returns where it becomes more beneficial to pay an accountant to tell you how to avoid tax, which actually drives the tax take down rather than up. A good example of how the tax system in the UK works below

Suppose that every day, ten men go out for beer and the bill for all
ten comes to £100…

If they paid their bill the way we pay our taxes, it would go
something like this…

The first four men (the poorest) would pay nothing.
The fifth would pay £1.
The sixth would pay £3.
The seventh would pay £7.
The eighth would pay £12.
The ninth would pay £18.
The tenth man (the richest) would pay £59.

So, that’s what they decided to do..

The ten men drank in the bar every day and seemed quite happy with
the arrangement, until one day, the owner threw them a curve ball.

“Since you are all such good customers,” he said, “I’m going to
reduce the cost of your daily beer by £20″. Drinks for the ten men
would now cost just £80.

The group still wanted to pay their bill the way we pay our taxes.

So the first four men were unaffected.

They would still drink for free. But what about the other six men—the paying customers?

How could they divide the £20 windfall so that everyone would get his
fair share?

They realised that £20 divided by six is £3.33. But if they
subtracted that from everybody’s share, then the fifth man and the
sixth man would each end up being paid to drink his beer.

So, the bar owner suggested that it would be fair to reduce each
man’s bill by a higher percentage the poorer he was, to follow the
principle of the tax system they had been using, and he proceeded to
work out the amounts he suggested that each should now pay.

And so the fifth man, like the first four, now paid nothing (100%
saving).

The sixth now paid £2 instead of £3 (33% saving).

The seventh now paid £5 instead of £7 (28% saving).

The eighth now paid £9 instead of £12 (25% saving).

The ninth now paid £14 instead of £18 (22% saving).

The tenth now paid £49 instead of £59 (16% saving).

Each of the six was better off than before. And the first four
continued to drink for free. But, once outside the bar, the men began
to compare their savings.

“I only got a pound out of the £20 saving,” declared the sixth man.

He pointed to the tenth man,”but he got £10!”

“Yeah, that’s right,” exclaimed the fifth man. “I only saved a pound
too. It’s unfair that he got ten times more benefit than me!”

“That’s true!” shouted the seventh man. “Why should he get £10 back,
when I got only £2? The wealthy get all the breaks!”

“Wait a minute,” yelled the first four men in unison, “we didn’t get
anything at all. This new tax system exploits the poor!”

The nine men surrounded the tenth and beat him up.

The next night the tenth man didn’t show up for drinks, so the nine
sat down and had their beers without him. But when it came time to
pay the bill, they discovered something important. They didn’t have
enough money between all of them for even half of the bill!

And that is how our tax system works.

The people who already pay the highest taxes will naturally get the
most benefit from a tax reduction.

Tax them too much, attack them for being wealthy, and they just may
not show up anymore.

In fact, they might start drinking overseas, where the atmosphere is
somewhat friendlier.

Despite the post above, my only recommendation is don’t buy anything from Jessops. Their customer service is virtually non existent if you have any issues and their staff are about as well informed as a piece of wood.

You can tell I’m a happy (ex)customer…….

Following is on 120 followers, which is what counts for the bet, is 83 SAS. How sad that I want to see the result lol

I see sabotage in progress, the count was 91 when I followed on twitter and now its dropped. Either that or I’ve gone blind!

I never had an issue with the Canon lenses I just always found the Sigma’s generally better. Horses for courses I guess and other assorted cliche’s (not sure if that’s a stray apostrophe)

The only legal way to force her out is an eviction order. Better off bringing a new woman home, or a man and claim your gay!

Anyone that wants to see my ramblings my account is @gweilouk and I have a whole 17 followers lol

I reckon your at 93 now including 1 cat……

Bit of a Canon addict myself. My only bits of advice:

Sigma lenses are well worth the money and in my opinion better than either Canon or Nikon.

And don’t buy anything from Jessops, they’re extraordinarily crap with atrocious customer service

Or maybe SI means System Integrator…..