To be fair it kicked off properly was when my friend who is a climbing instructor In Llanberis said we would need a hill team from mountain rescue and to get them we need to ring ‘999’. They then got super cagey.

They were not getting the seriousness of the situation and seemed proper impaired.

Once in a lifetime thing to come across I hope.

Is this on an Evil Uprising?

I’m not sure we have the correct understanding of bike warranties. I know I didn’t before I read this;
http://cyclingtips.com.au/2011/08/bicycle-warranty-basics/

The situation that Wrecker mentions above is the situation that I am in since the bike was bought in mainland Europe. Here is an extract of what I was sent from my shop:

‘We are only a reseller, Luismi is the importer for Evil Europe and therefor legally responsible for this’.

That’s it from me guys. You pay your money you take your chances. The Evil Uprising is the best bike I have ever ridden, however Evil as a company have abandoned myself and others.

If you buy an Evil and it holds up you will have a belter. If it breaks, best of luck.

Signing off,

All the best,

Lee.

Mattjg,

After reading my shops email above (one of many fighting my corner) against a company (Evil) who have left both me and the shop high and dry do you honestly think I would take on the shop?

We are obviously at different ends of the moral compass……

Have had my Following a couple of months now. It’s a rocketship. No problems so far with mine and no systemic issues reported on the US forums, where they’ve been on the dirt since autumn 2014.
It was something of a punt, due to Evil’s past history, and still is. I accept that.
Some folks aren’t up for that. That’s personal choice, in which case I suggest moving on to something else instead of further negativity here.

Matt,

Have a bit of emotional intelligence. Just because your doing ok doesn’t mean other people can’t voice their opinions just because you class them as negative…..

I have lost literally thousands of pounds, as have many others who have frames that are now expensive ornaments as spare parts are not being manufactured for bikes that still have long warranties. If you think I would not make that information available to potential buyers then you have another thing coming.

I have mentioned the positives as well as negatives and I am calling it as it is.

Issues? Yes I’ve seen one report before (the same?) about the following and it’s rubbish for the owner, but there 4 or 5 Evil Following owners on here, the MTBR forum is very very busy… and this is NOT a issue for the majority of owners. That’s not to say I don’t sympathise & would be more than pissed if mine was similar, Generallevi’s position is also beyond compare and I would be perusing it in court (if the LBS have done all they can, how can they get blamed by the court), he should have been given a new frame if they can’t provide the required part. All that said, I love mine, don’t have lots of cash, so was a big risk.. and so far it’s more than paid off (hope I don’t get to eat those words), as I have what I consider to be the best (mid travel) FS 29er currently available

Hey Zippy!

That other report on the Following is not my mates. It’s another guy with the same problem but he kicked off that hard that he did mange to get a new frame after rejecting it. He lived close to Evil HQ and was able to force the issue well. Pleased for the guy as a lot of coin invested.

I’m also pleased for you mate, Doug and anyone else who is having a great time on the new following. The bike is insanely good and will make a lot of other brands re think what they are doing…..

My beef is not with the performance of the bikes, that’s why I worked so hard to get it fixed as I loved the Uprising. It’s with the highwayman attitude of Evil when things go wrong.

Surly at some point that will lead to catastrophic failure?
From what he’s written the gap shouldn’t be changing. Just that it was off-spec at the factory.
I would advise clarification and give Evil an update of how many spacers are currently being used.
POSTED 2 MINUTES AGO # REPORT-POST

Alex,

You honestly think Evil don’t know he has had to add more than 2 spacers? That was their fix when it kept coming loose not his!

He would like a new frame considering it’s only 5 months old and a problem since new but this is what he is being advised.

If you think Evil care about stuff like this you are mistaken. They told me to ride my bike with a bolt not specced for a frame, held in by one thread of carbon and glue….. ;)

I don’t quite understand where these spacers are going, but it sounds absolutely appalling!

The spacers are going between the mainframe and the Swingarm as the gap is too big on some frames. In fact, allow me to let Kevin Walsh from Evil expand. Here is an extract of what he sent my mate for the DIY fix:

‘I apologize for the inconvenience but that’s a difficult area to maintain tolerance during production and we are doing our best to control it at the factory level to prevent this from happening in the future.

‘We’ll send you tomorrow a set of spacers that we just received from the factory. You’ll probably only be able to for one of these spacers as two of them is too much. Fitting these spacers will solve the problem. That part of the frame is specially tricky to get perfect tolerance, specially on the first frames we have done’.

And there you have it….

However it hasn’t solved the problem as he has to keep adding more, the slacker it becomes! ;)

All the best,

Lee.

Stevelol – Member
Wow, I dodged a bullet not buying an Uprising, these stories are unforgivable. If I was left without a warranty I’d be after legal advice for sure.

The reason I haven’t taken it to court is because by European law I would have to take the Shop/Distributor to court and these boys have been nothing short of legends trying to sort it out. It’s Evil that are the problem. So as a decent person there is no way I could go after the shop when they are effectively backing me to the hilt.

Hope this makes sense,

All the best,

Lee.

kimbers – Member
I was chatting to a guy at the last ukge, who had the same experience with his uprising failing and evil fobbing him off as they no longer made it, very unhappy, but he said it was a brilliant bike when it worked, he got a deal on a Nomad in the end which he reckoned wasn’t quite as good but he had faith in their customer service.

That would be me Kimbers!

I am also the person that people are referring to as being left high and dry by Evil, however I am one of literally hundreds who’s Uprising fell apart and then Evil went missing on warranty. A quick search of Pinkbike or MTBR will reveal the many who got royally shafted.

Basically, the Uprising suffered from two major problems. Firstly the frame cracked around the flip chips and secondly they screwed the replaceable dropout straight into the carbon with no alloy insert, so it just strips out and then can’t be re-threaded. Oversight of biblical proportions. Evil Europe basically told me to get a longer bolt, cut it down as otherwise it would go straight through the carbon and try and get the last couple of bits of thread that may be remaining! On a 10 month old 2k frame!

In the end they told me they are not making anymore swingarms so ‘sorry we are a small company man’ nothing down for you. It’s nothing short of stealing.

And my friend has the new following and his back end comes loose half way through every ride. Evil have admitted there is a tolerance issue on some frames and have told him to DIY fix it himself by adding spacers to the linkage everytime it comes loose….. He literally has about 10 in there now!

Like what Doug said the bikes are sublime to ride, truly mindblowing, however the customer service that I and others experienced was not even good enough to be called bad.

If you value your hard earned money just consider my story. I am not saying don’t get one, just consider it.

All the very best,

Lee.

http://www.tweekscycles.com/Product.do?method=view&n=3550&g=709875&p=709872&d=124&c=4&l=2&utm_source=Google&utm_medium=Base&utm_campaign=Full%20Suspension%20Frames&gclid=COSVo4eh_cYCFY_JtAodDzcP-Q

Shop near me by Wrexham, massive, good lads, saw one hanging up the other day and the website says on sale and available within 10 days…..

Hope this helps,

All the best,

Lee.

Have to disagree on the Trail Boss. Bought it in Fast rolling/Tough Sidewall and it struggles for grip massively in loose, dry conditions and in the Wet it is truly treacherous….! Maybe the high grip version would be better?

Just my opinion but a rock razor in trailstar SG is a much more predictable tyre and punches well above it’s low centre knobbed weight.

All the best,

Lee.

Doing it again, i’d stick a coil on it, or the new Float X2.

So you say it doesn’t ride light but if you did it again you would put a coil on it????

I disagree totally on the Monarch Plus Debonair. I have both the Monarch & Vivid and find the Monarch really playful and the vivid is for Revs uplift days when you just want to smash through everything.

I have one.

Replaced my Evil Uprising after the rear triangle snapped. The Evil was hands down the best feeling bike I have ever owned, however ownership was like having a 1980’s Alfa Romeo.

The Nomad has hard a hard start in life with 2 weeks in Madeira, a UKGE and is now on it’s way back from EWS Samoens. The bike is well built, is confidence inspiring on jumps and drops and is a weapon when the trail gets really techy. However I have been blown away by how well it climbs. It climbs like no 160mm bike should be able get away with. 50km Peaks ride, 750m alpine climb whatever, it loves it!

The one downside is in steep switchbacks it can be a bit of a handful due to the longer wheelbase (Size Large), however the trade off is minimal compared to it’s behaviour everywhere else.

Get one and take advantage of Santa Cruz’s announcement of the new lifetime warranty.

Hope this helps a bit,

All the best,

Lee.

I have a spare one from my 2012 Orange Alpine 160. You can have it ace, no charge.

All the very best,

Lee.

Hey Roverpig,

I have a 2014 Titus Rockstar 29″ for sale, just recently built up with full XTR, Crossmax ST wheels, XO Trail Brakes, SID forks, monarch shock, Easton Carbon bars. No expense spared…..

Also the frame is one of the last ones to be handmade in Portland, Oregon

I built it up for exactly the same reason as you now describe but my riding and racing has shifted. It has 1 dry, 10 mile ride under it and it absolutely spotless.

It’s a medium and I could do you a silly deal….

All the best,

Lee.

Who’s the guiding company
your going with mate?

I’m not getting angry mate,

Just saying that your dismissive attitude will hinder your holiday choice and stop people offering advice. Which it is as this is the second time you have trawled for help.

Just go with google maps, that will see you right ;)

This just gets better….

So you haven’t even been to the area but you are passing judgement based on 2nd hand information?? And here was me thinking you had your bank account emptied by a Benidorm strip club bouncer or something! ;)

The area that iffoverload is referring to is about 1/2 hour to 1 hour away from Benidorm, in the surrounding hills and if you still have a major problem with Benidorm, based on somebody else’s views, then you need not visit.

I had a view like yours once, it was preset by the media about Kandahar in Afghanistan. Shame on me as the locals were truly wonderful, kind people and I felt narrowminded & one dimensional that I could have allowed myself to pre-judge without seeing it for myself.

‘Try everything, once’

Syntaxerror,

I don’t know if you realise but the way you are coming across by dismissing suggestions so harshly, from people taking the time out to reply to you is probably the reason that hardly anyone is replying.

The riding in that area is second to none and meets your extensive requirements, but you are choosing to hone in on a near by town that you seem to have a major problem with. However, I don’t see you getting uptight about the suggestions of Malaga, which has similar resorts (many of them). I am not the biggest fan of Benidorm, but having an open mind has allowed myself and my wife to sample winter in Malaga, Alfraz, Madeira, etc..:..

If you are prepared to be a little more open minded and less immediately dismissive then you might start getting somewhere…..

I have an Uprising, have ran it for over a year now. I use 2.3 Hans Dampfs and have similar clearance to you. The bike has been ridden everywhere in all kind of conditions from Muddy UKGE to The Trans Provence and it runs fine. Where other systems have more space to develop a lot of mud, this simply cannot get past the brace so there is actually less build up. 3M taped it from the start and never looked back.

If you send this frame back you will miss out on one of the best rear suspension designs in the 20 years that I have been riding bikes. Also, Evil are now bringing out a new rear triangle which will be made available to customers for free if they have problems, or at cost if they just fancy a change. Every single frame out there will have a quirk, from Santa Cruz’s lower linkage that acts as a rock inviter to the cable routing on the new GT Force/Sensor, it doesn’t mean you should write them off….

In regards to having to use the Evil warranty, since the days of the Revolt they have gone full circle and Luismi, their main man in Madrid has been amazing at helping me out when I smashed my rear triangle on Trans Provence. Even though I had the words biggest rock fly up and crack the chainstay, which you could argue is crash replacement, he had a new one in the post, priority at my house in 48 hrs.

If your worried about the clearance email luismi@evil-bikes.com and he will reassure you and put your mind at rest.

Trust me on this Edward,

All the best,

Lee.

Looks like a fake, even down to the slanted North Face label that’s sown up by the hood…..

Sorry mate, hope I’m wrong.

Where did you buy it from? That should be the biggest giveaway

This:

My Evil Uprising. Technically 150mm but has a 160mm fork so hopefully you can forgive me….. ;)

and some of the folks using them really use them. Like, one of the breakages I know of was at the trans-savoie, and a mate of mine broke an Enve rim in the exact same place.

And here lies the problem with carbon rims. Mine survived 6 days of racing at Trans Provence, not a scratch, then a couple of weeks later a rock skims up on a Shropshire double track and it looks like the hull of the titanic!

There’s no guarantee when it’s going to happen, but when it does it tends to be catastrophic and expensive.

To be fair to him, when I trashed one (which then on close inspection became 2 rims) he replaced them, and shipped them for nothing.

Well that adds even more insult to injury, as he won’t do for me…. He is saying crash replacement plus shipping. I can see how easy it is for him to do this though, as it’s so obvious a rock has flicked up. However, he is telling me to order the DH rim instead of the HD to counter it ever happening again. Not much faith in your product with a recommendation like that.

22 years riding bikes, dings and scrapes in alloy rims but never has to retire one. 2 months on Carbon and its buggered already. Oh, and just to show it’s not just me, here is a mates who had Finale EWS ruined because of this failure:

You pay your money, you take your chances, but I won’t be again. Product doesn’t stand up.

I bought them, wouldn’t buy them again and couldn’t recommend them to you. Back wheel has a hole in it after only two months and the hassle/price of trying to get a new rim from the states is mindblowing. Crash replacement works out only a touch cheaper than RRP and then you have 60 dollars shipping and the price to get the wheel re-laced. I wouldn’t mind but these wheels have never been crashed, it’s just a rock that’s flicked up!

Ray is a top bloke but buying Carbon goods with no UK back up will end with you losing lots of money. Trust me, I am the current Guinea Pig…..

This:

Utterly mindblowing bike. A triumph in suspension kinematics over wheelsize.

zippykona – Member
GT Xizang. Chain suck central. Ended up with me giving it the full Basil Fawlty treatment with a handy bush after sucking once too much.

This is timeless……! Having visions of you losing the plot and the missus is sat here wondering what I am laughing about ;)

postierich – Member
Whyte 46 £2600 of awfulness got suckered in with reviews it wanted to kill me on the downs!

I can’t actually believe this but I had that bike also! Was an insurance replacement for my stolen Spesh Enduro in 2005!

And I can attest to it trying to kill me at every opportunity whilst riding in Les Arcs.! ;) however, you can’t argue with the value at £2600. Full XT, Carbon Easton bars, Hope Hubs, Expensive but life threatening Maverick forks….

You would struggle to get most companies base models for that cash now in 2014…..

on and on – Member
Specialized fsr in 2008 – what a total pile of dull beige uninspiring shite. Really so very ver very dull. It also made me hate fox forks which I never used again and hope barkes which were pure evil.

Couldn’t agree more on the Hope brakes. Would have more feel strapping a broom handle to your bars…..

Never owned again since, which is a shame as they may feel mega now. Crazy how a bad experience can stay with you.

jimjam – Member
This piece of shit.

Snapped in half after about 6 weeks. In a way I was glad though as it was dire. Partly my fault though as I knew it wasn’t right for me but got suckered in by the looks.

Can see how it happened, lovely looking bike. Think we both fell for the Lapierre curse…. ;)

I didn’t put it on there George,

That was standard spec……!

It was off straight away for an inline

Guys,
My names Lee and I am co-hosting this event with Michael from Switchbacks. I totally reiterate what Michael has said, climbs are not timed, and there will be a shuttle to gain the elevation first thing. Please make no mistake though. There will be days in excess of 40km with 2000m of climbing. Descents need to he earned, even at your own pace….

We already have national champions signed up and a current World Champion on board. Same trails, climb at your own pace but you need to be fit, make no mistake.

If that seems up your street then throw us an application form over, downloadable from the website http://www.sierraenduro.com

All the very best,

Lee.

These all sound great!

To the guys that are hanging them from the rafters. Are you using steel wire or the like to get them at a workable height or are your rafters a lot lower than mine? ;)

All the best,

Lee.

Via Ferrata accessed balcony trail just below the summit of the Point Du Nyon, Morzine. You will never see another bike and will be graced with 11km of loamy switchbacks back into town. Heavenly trail compared to the Pleney braking bumps.

All the best,

Lee.

Luke1688 do you like this colour??

Get that order changed ;)

New colours are out tomorrow:

All the best,

Lee.

Sorry Drac,

However I feel your pain….. ;) that pink Bronson could sit nicely next to the Rune….

Houns,

If you think that looks wild,

Check out this baby blue Tallboy: