The problem with bikes like the OPs is that they are only really in my opinion, second/winter bikes. For 450 on a second bike I would probably go for the VooDoo Bizango which has had good reviews over the years and is currently 530 new. (no new saddle/grips or sorting bearings etc out). I have a perfectly good 5 sat in the shed but rather than sell it for next to nothing, prefer to keep it (for some unaccountable reason!) The same goes with the Marin Rift Zone from pre O5 days. It seems if you keep a bike for 5 + years then its pretty much a) out of date and b) worthless. If OP gets 450: most excellent and happy days!