johny, ask yourself how often you're really going to go downhilling on it. And what types of course…

Things like Cwmcarn DH are supposedly perfectly doable on trail bikes and you've then not shafted all your other riding.

I've ridden around places like Afan with folk on Pats and it's murder for them. And then they're not even that quick when it points downhill, purely because the bonkers terrain and gradient isn't there for the bike to make any sense.

Far too much bike for those examples. Actually slower than a 120mm/140mm bike if anything on the downhills too. If it's an Orange you're after you need to look at the Five/ST4…

This rivals the Norco…

Norco in producing a visual abomination of a bike shocker!

That right there is what all Halfords specials will look like in 10 years…

I remember reading that interview, seem like such decent fellas. I really don't begrudge paying those boys what they charge… just keep knocking out classics!

You'll be on the hoods most of the time anyway!

About Tushingham, that's sort of correct, Tushingham are still going so I think they sold it…

Back when I windsurfed Tushingham sails weren't all that so they're clearly a lot better at this bike making lark.

Yeah but surely the verdict on the prophet is that it's good for the money – the Five is amazing despite the money…

(Ok so there's a degree of troll in that statement…)

Pics or it didn't happen? (OP, not the poor framer)

As for being heavy, well, they may look heavy but those of us who have actually ridden one will confirm they most certainly aren't!

I'd even go as far to say they're pretty light for what they can do…

I'm off downhilling on mine next weekend lol

Nickegg: btw, I was the guy driving the group who bumped into you in services on the way to Brechfa…

(Invite to Cheesy Riders on the way)

It's also kind of nice when our manufacturing industry is dead and a laughing stock to find something we're still the best at making!

Holy shit!

Genesis Altitude – bit less niche but bloody good all the same…

I did an inquest.

At first I was bored, couldn't care less. By the end, I gave a shit and realised I was surrounded in the jury by "mostly" decent people who also cared.

It was a painful experience but once you're there there's nothing you can do about it so at least have the decency to take it seriously (not necessarily suggesting you won't). It's easy to just give in and agree to get the deliberation over quickly, we had a couple of numbskulls filling up an bourbons, moaning and willing to agree with whatever needed to be said just to get out of there. Forgetting that there's a family in the next room who want to know whether or not their son committed suicide in jail, what contributed and whether more could be done to prevent it… it was quite a distressing but ultimately fulfilling experience.

I was surprised by how annoyed I was when the local paper then reported a completely different verdict to what we came to!!!

Bump… Brechfa results anyone?

It's not the lights themselves that annoy me but the way certain Audi drivers who have them drive. They're so intimidating when they run up behind you at speed and sit on your tail on the motorway (I'm good at using lanes by the way and don't hog the middle ta)

Sure they're supposed to stand for safety and visibility, but what they actually stand for is "**** Audi coming through!"

Why does everyone assume Orange's are heavy?

A Five frame is lighter than a Commy Super 4 ffs! Same as a Heckler, Pace 506. In the Trail bike of the year test it's always near the lighter end rather than the heavier…

Back on topic, I think I'd buy one if it was made overseas. I've yet to ride anything to better it and I quite like the looks!

Yeah, no matter how broken, crappy and horrid the sleep you get is – it's still worth getting. I was starting to get a bad back on the last one I did. Had 3 hours really appalling sleep from 2am on and thought I'd have been better off staying up but my back was feeling better and subsequently I got through…

Most have already been mentioned, but one obvious one…

New bikes 🙂

You should be able to feel a difference in the lever when moving it. You have to push pro pedal on until it clicks. When removing pro pedal you can just flick it and it automatically returns to a neutral position (pro pedal off)

But grumm, those are rock shox showing stanchion wear… it onyl happens to Fox forks so I'm calling photoshop 😉

For what it's worth, mine don't suffer but I checked with Mojo at the Brechfa enduro and my regular method of cleaning dried mud off and a drop of wet lube on the stanchions and pump/wipe was approved of and seems to work.

Gert Lush…

Sorry but it annoys the hell out of me.

Mate, you're living in the wrong town if that annoys you LOL

Oh tyre pressures is a good one to look at. For your weight you should be on about 30 psi – I took a newbie out (a roadie normally) the other night and found he was struggling due to 100 psi he'd crammed into his spesh fast tracks – I'm suprised he hadn't blown the tyres off the rim.

They will be doing frame only and colour options still. From the horses mouth.

What a nice thread! 😀

Yeah I love it but then it's only 40 mins from Bristol, share the bridge money with a mate and knock out a few laps…

Get a 2.1 DTC version for the back – they come up massive anyway and the DTC compound is harder in the middle so drags less and lasts longer. The Sticke version (which I linked) should be front only as it won't last two seconds on the rear and will suck all your energy.

Ignore the 1psi per body weight thing

Yeah, I did suspect that this might be something that only works on single pivot non-linkage bikes, or even just the Five…

You don't want the freeride 2.35 though…

There's a regular 2.35…

http://www.wiggle.co.uk/p/cycle/7/Kenda_Tomac_Nevegal_Tyre/5360028560/

Fork I run at 70psi…

Of course then there's your rebound settings to check – too fast and it could try and buck you off, too slow and it'll pack down and go rigid…

As you can see, there's a lot to check before it's new bike time 🙂

Not sure about the rear pressure… on my Five (single pivot) rule of thumb is your body weight in lbs in psi, so 150lbs = 150psi and then tweak from there…

I'm your weight and I run another 10psi less again in my floats…

Sorry ahwiles, I missed the link between your two comments 🙂

Pro pedal won't be helpful in descending – it causes the bike to sit up in it's rear travel (and make the front end feel steeper) and kills small bump response…

Orange Mr XC which I guess could be an Orange Five, but that was only '99 I believe…

I'd stick something like a 2.35 Blue Groove Stick-e up front – I reckon that'd do more for you than 20mm more travel on the front.

The captains are rubbish tyres btw.

I've got 140mm on the front but if I put my 2.1 High Roller race tyres on and try and do something gnarly, the travel is useless, my 100mm hardtail with big rubber descents better than my Orange with skinny rubber…

They do sound a bit like throwing a bucket of spanners down the side of a mountain – that said, there's usually so much wind whistling in my ears from speed that I don't tend to hear it 😉

I did follow a mate who also has one and I was on a different bike at the time and remember thinking, holy shit does mine sound like that!?

Can 120 floats be extended to 140? My 140s are now down to 100 and on my singlespeed, but I've always been confused as to whether or not the ones that are 120 out of the factory are the same fork?

Got an '09 with a fox float on it – what a ripper!

Budget Shimano discs have been a bit of a faff and I need to tweak the chain line as it's not totally straight from the factory and on 32:18 it's generated a slap/clunk noise as the chain passes over the freewheel under high but powerful cadence.

These are minor annoyances which I could easily fix and don't spoil the ride. I was happy with mine at £500 – £150 is a bargain!

Fork now fitted…

Can I just say about how wonderfully clean Brechfa was at the Enduro this weekend, and well done to all the riders for not leaving endless bar and gel wrappers along the trail!

I know, what an inconsiderate bastard to throw that tube up there – how am I supposed to collect that and repair it for my own use all the way up there!