I've snapped a few

Reverse-threaded type extractors are good for above M6 but risky in badly seized bolts of small diameters. The splined extractors are less risky because you at least have a chance to punch em through (or pull out if splines break) Although that does depend on what the situation is.

Other problem with reverse threaded extractors is, the more force you apply to em, the more they expand into whatever your screwing em into – which can defeat the object. Obviously situation dependant…and depends on how badly seized whatever it is you're trying to extract.

Not saying they shouldn't be used, just to be aware that if they snap, you are royally ****. So worth exploring some other options first.

Won't apply to everyone, but may be useful for some people to know….I ordered 3/4 Singletracks in the knowledge that they are designed to fit over kneepads. When they arrived, it was immediately clear that this is total BS. Not a cat in hells chance they would fit over Kyle Straits.

(I checked again and it clearly says on the bumff attached to the shorts that they are designed to go over knee pads)

I always find that a present for a random stranger is the nicest way to deal with that sort of situation

I have everything i need for biking at the moment

You will spend it on something useless and as soon as it arrives, you will remember that there was something that you needed urgently. This is the Rule of Vouchers.

DenDennis

I am v jealous. I was almost there last time I did it. I had it in the bag…It was in my sights….I reached the rock gate and ….and….and…I dabbed. 😥

Luckily there were no walkers to hear the howls of anguish.

Next time Cavedale. You will be mine 👿

I suspect Peachey will have it Tuesday night …although if it's raining….

Hammer a sacrificial torx bit in. Will bite into the head much more effectively than a hex bit. Don't try turning it yet. Patience…..

Soak overnight with quality penetrating fluid

Freeze release spray in the morning (Disclaimer: may damage paintwork!!!)

Only then try turning the torx bit

Do this before trying any sort of stud extractor. If you snap a hardened steel stud extractor off in it, you are gonna have a hell of a task trying to get that out.

dirtlow rake?

is this the bit you're on about fluff? with the green dots on? or some other bit of dirtlow rake?
cheers.
I've been down and up pindale and know that one

Yep
Peachey's ridden it recently so glad to hear it's still chewed up.
Think you must have ridden it at that time in it's life (it was a sad time for all of us) when it got resurfaced. It became , as you say, just a gravel track when they did that. Back on form now and works well as a fun way to link between LW and Pindale/Bradwell. Not much gradient, but the aggregate surface means you've got a fair whack of speed when large holes in the ground suddenly start appearing in front of you.

Peachiness

Descent to Old Dam has got the gradient as you say, but not the surface of Dirtlow Rake, so it is not as fast. Grassy/dirt track descent. If it's wet/muddy, it's quite slow.

It's a nice way to extend the loop though-

Road descent SW from top of Winnats 😥 to get to turn off at quarry. It's a nice steady off road climb to the turning for BW. Signpost is often missing BW is at top of hill through 2 gates IIRC (if you miss turning you'll start descending and ultimately just end up back on LW)

Descent to Old Dam ….fun in dry but a bit pedally if it's wet/muddy. Climb up Oxlow Rake is good climb, then there's about 800 m nice traverse across top till you get back to LW (where you've got your Cavedale or Dirtlow& Pindale choice) Worth having a sacrificial gate opener in front of you, so you can enjoy the top section unhindered 😉

It's worth adding in if you wanna extend your ride by say 6km. It also feels like you're up on top of hills for longer 🙂

Is it this guy

It's MOSTLY well signposted. You'll soon know if you've gone wrong. Just keep a keen eye out for the BW signs.
It's worth doing – a bit like riding through a scene from Terminator!

There's a bit towards the end of the cement works where you can take 2 options. One is BW the other a FP & from what I remember signs are often missing. I usually take the narrow straight track which goes steeply upwards on sometimes slippy ground – think this may be the FP as there are couple of (rideable round) steel railings. Both bring you out at same place (top of track at Mich Low which drops you down to Bradwell) so not really a problem.

Head to Brough, R onto Townfield Lane (good climb :lol:) Descend eventually to cross a ford. R just after the ford to start the climb which eventually becomes Shatton Lane. Loooong climb. At the confusing bit where there is a gate and then a multitude of tracks at top of climb (and proably a huge pool of water/bog at the gate), follow the track on the left (Wolf's Pit) and then just keep going as it become Brough Lane goes round the top of the Moor and then descends back to Brough. It's a bit pedally at the top and more so if the wind is in your face, but eventually becomes a really nice descent. Love the life-saving natural berm on the LH side, just as you realise you are going too fast to make the corner 😆

DenDennis

Dirtlow rake was a gravel road for a period of time a few years ago when resurfaced. All the water that has run down it since then has made it more interesting again (Having said that, not done it for 12 months so could have been resurfaced again this year). Not exactly techy, but quite loose, and very fast…and interspersed with frequent 1 or 2 foot deep ditches/groughs for added entertainment.

Cavedale and Pindale are easily combined (NB excluding Dirtlow Rake). Get your height using the old/broken road under Mam Tor. Turn L at top onto main road and follow it round to R past top of Winnats Pass. You can either take a L onto Limestone Way BW directly or follow the road a bit further and work your way onto LW via Oxlow Rake. Follow LW & descend Cavedale (in the dry ideally – I tend to avoid it in the wet) When you come out at road, turn right onto Pindale road. After 300 metres, take the R fork (Sidgate). Follow Sidgate for a steep and scenic climb. After about 1km, the quarry access track is on your left and 200m down there on your left is the chute (top of Pindale Road descent)

You're then in the right place to use the cement works BW to cut over to Bradwell & Brough and do a clockwise loop of Shatton Moor. (It would be a real shame to miss out Rebellion Knoll if you were in the area).

Free parking at bottom of Pindale Road S of the bridge (just off of A6187) – but tuck your cars well in as Lafarge lorries tank it up and down there at w/e.

Based in the NW Peaks near Stockport

http://www.mountainbikeskillscourses.co.uk/locationa.asp

Ooops…. apologies!

Emmy(MBSC) has done lots of courses for MMB club members now and all have been received very positively.

Ed Oxley – In my experience – excellent
Kate & Ian Potter (AQR) – ditto (altho they don't spend that much time in UK)

Heard "mixed" feedback about Llandgla skills courses

Kit
Have you seen
this thread
😆

when this gravel road meets the tarmac road can you follow the trail across the grass/rocks on the left to meet the road further down

I wouldn't. It is seriously steep!

Better to turn right off the tarmac onto the wide track (quarry access road). It looks like a T junction on the map – but it feels more like turning R off the main road onto a wide track in reality.

After 200 metres on this track take the rocky chute on the LH side – which is an excellent little descent (called "Pindale Road" although not a road) The "chute" opens out into a wider area. Play options on the LH side (you will be able to see the bit I described as "seriously steep" on your left). Massive vertical drop on your right. Just keep straight on. Where it looks like there sre 2 options, they both bring you out the same place. The one on the R is the BW. The one on the left is the one that the Peak Rangers get a bit angry about. Which one is the best changes every 6 months!

I'm making it sound more complicated than it is – You just take the chute (marked with red dots on OS I think) keep going and you'll drop out on tarmac just above Pindale Farm

….perfectly placed to take the BW on the right through the cement works through to Bradwell

PS…Bradwell…the descent from Rebellion Knoll to Elmore Hill Farm is ace :D)

Enjoy

The most boring trail centre in the UK must be at Inverie. It has proper signs and everything but it's about 500m long and has, like, 2 berms and one jump. It gets the vote for the hardest to get to also. Inverie has the most remote pub in the mainland UK, you can't drive there. Walking, biking or boat are the main transport options

Hooter – It's been extended. New top section is quite nice…. but not finished yet.

It would definately cost more than £70 to get there from just about anywhere!

The older style MSRs are brilliant stoves for travelling with abroad (third world) and mountaineering type trips or short backpacking 2 day trips….but would not be much use for bike touring over say a week in the UK. If you attempt to fill your 1 litre MSR fuel bottle up on the forecourt of a garage, the attendant will have a hissy fit. Your alternative is to buy fuel from hardware shops…typically in 5 litre containers so not great for sticking on bike.

Trangia is slow, but you can use meths which you can buy in 500ml bottles from B&Q, Halfords, garages, village stores, campsites, hardware stores anywhere really. That's what I used for recent JOGLE trip. My MSR much as I love it (and is miles faster to cook with) would have been pretty useless

Canister type stoves cook quicker than trangia but when you run out of gas, not so easy to source new cannisters as it is to source meths for Trangia. Although many campsites do stock.

Having said all that, I have heard that you can use meths in one/some of the new MSRs. If that's the case (and it works), it's a no brainer.

If they are dual air, first thing to try is to release the air from the negative chamber (botttom of leg)

The more the neg air exceeds the pos air pressure, the less travel you are gonna get outta your forks

Good n Evil grips are excellent

Oury grips IMHO are even better (You can get lock-on versions of the Oury's in the UK from Si Paton)

But as others have said – check your riding position. It's possible you are a bit too stretched out. (It's also possible you are gripping bars too tight)

I had similar problems last year. Overcome by:
1) Using gloves with pads. But try/check before buying as 90% of them have pads in wrong place ie the pads don't come anywhere near bars when you grip em, so total waste of time. NC-17 work for me but expensive… and quality is 5hite. Pearl Izumi also seem to have pads in right place but don't seem to make nice MTB gloves.
2) Using bars that have more flex/give like Azonic DW Revenge as opposed to stiff ones like DMR HT Wingbar
3) Loosening my grip on bars during hard climbs
4) Shorter cockpit (move seat forwards)
5) Moving hand position MUCH more often on long climbs
6) Doing more riding after making the changes above
It's completely gone for me now/at moment.

Have a google/read about Carpal Tunnel Syndrome and check it ain't that (check what part of your hands go numb ie which fingers). Persevering through CTS is not a good idea as it can make it a lot worse.

I don't rate the Ergon grips and I personally found the theory/science about their design unconvincing. I also found they got in the way when you try to drop your wrists on techy climbs, and they made it harder to grip the bars on rough descents – which for me made it worse. (Having said that…they may work for you)

HTH

+1 Hurt by Johnny Cash
+1 for all of snuff's covers

Also ….
Motorhead by Primal Scream
Number of The Beast by Djali Zwan
Reverend Horton Heat's psychobilly cover of Paranoid
Peter Skellern – Puttin on the Ritz
Cake – I will survive
and can't really leave out Bill Shatner's cover of Common People

Can't see the point in OS bars. I've never snapped a set of standard ones. Just another MTB fashion IMHO.

If you're prepared to be scorned for flying in the face of the latest trend, it means (for the moment anyway) you can now pick up bars like Azonic Revenge for peanuts (and pick up stems at a similar price, or less, off eBay).

It's about where the "pull" action (that the chain causes to the rear of the bike) occurs in relation to the pivot. The "pull" comes from where the chain is feeding onto the chain ring at the front and exerts its effect on the top of the sprocket that the chain is sat on at the rear.

Easiest to visualise with a single pivot: If the bike is a single pivot and the pivot is at the same height above the crank centre as the the edge of the middle ring, then you've minimised the extent to which the chain can pull the rear wheel (via the cassette) up or down (whilst you are in middle ring). ie the pivot is "in line" with the horizontal force applied along the chain and can't act to shorten the drivetrain.

In the above example, when you shift to granny ring, this is no longer the case, so the pull on the chain (as you power down), pulls the rear of the bike towards the front. When this happens with each pedal stroke, it causes rear of bike to bob

The effect still happens in 4 bars altho the suspension design is supposed to counter it, by creating a virtual pivot that is placed to minimise the effect. In a single pivot, the effect is countered/minimised by well thought out pivot placement and a platform shock.

Dunno if that makes any sense. Sure there are people out there who can explain it better than me 🙂

because your a number….

strictly speaking as a member of a club you're a fraction

Why should I join a club?

I don't see why you "should"

Why do you ask the question ?

just because there is some organisational structure in a club doesn't mean that club trips are run on military lines

Exactly
Ours are based on a crossover of aspects of chaos theory, some swarm intelligence and elementary cat herding.

As an aside, I personally find the regimented structure of forums whereby I have to type my replies into a small box with limited fonts doesn't really fit with my freewheeling, rebellious attitude to life. 😉

Damn

You're faster than most normal human beans Rocky 🙂

ditch_jockey – Member

I wonder if they"re AALA licensed?

As I understand it, and I might be wrong, if you charge for providing mountain biking activities (as opposed to transport/food etc) then you come within the AALA regulations.

Nope
AALA license is required if you're offering activities on a commercial basis to under 18s.
We don't.

Get it from Jon at Justridingalong.com

Don't buy any old copter tape.

Some of it yellows really badly. When that happens over white paint it looks 5hite

Stuff Jon sells is pretty good. …and a lot more robust than the Biketart stuff I got given a while back

Uplink/all
MMBs insurance is much more there for the scenario where someone comes after one of us (ride leader or committee member) for a serious claim. I hate the litigation culture as much as the rest of you but that doesn't make it go away.

Compensation lawyers actively target hospital casualty departments now. My current appointments card has an advert from one of them on the back of it touting for "no win no fee" business. (Accident happened on my ride – I did wonder if I could sue myself?)

WRT what your solicitor told you, there are very few people in this world who have "nothing to lose"….. Your house, your pension, (your sanity?) It's a highly unlikely scenario but not impossible. When you start talking about big bucks rather than 3grand, a compensation lawyer is not going to flinch at taking you down the path of bankruptcy if they can get their commission.

If you had a partner/son/daughter who ended up paralysed as a result of a bike accident, from a financial point of view, you may have no alternative but to claim against eg a bike club/ride leader/friend of your sons.

For those of you thinking this is all a bit over the top…remember the succesful claim over the bouncy castle a couple of years ago?? (This claim for £1million was initially successful and then lost at appeal), or the claim against the bike mfr when a wheel "spontaneously collapsed" a few years ago…..or the handlebar failure.

CTC charge £75 to cover MMB organisers against a third party claim. Without this insurance, the people who lead rides for the club and the people who run it are vulnerable. It's a no-brainer.

As far as paid Clubs go – well that's just a personal thing innit.
Bogtrotters and MMB are both top people to ride with in my experience.

and for £20 you'd struggle to buy a laminated map + guidebook

Finding this thread rather unnerving

Fluff 🙁

Identiti do one.

mtb-bitz.co.uk

Fits my Inbred a treat 🙂