Or what about the duck test e.g. if it looks like a controlled demolition then it probably is. This was my initial thoughts back in 2001 when I first saw the footage of the collapse, clearly I wasn't alone in my thinking.

Anyway all done and dusted, now we can all sleep soundly given the new terror laws that have been passed since the event, don't worry about your civil liberties folks.

I can't be arsed anymore either, I'll be on the bike forum discussing the benefits of over mountain vs all mountain if you need me 😉

I'm going to test ride the new Cannondale Jekyll when they land on our shores, if it's as good as the initial reviews suggest then it should be ideal for next years UK enduro series and the mega avalanche.

It's not all-mountain though it's over-mountain (ffs) so it will be no good for the all mountain type of bike your looking for!

Yes, although, I must be the right weight for mine, tried a little bit of air in them and I'm much happier without any.

Good call.. I'm feeling a bit peckish, although I can't be arsed to make one, takeaway it is.

I think as much fun as drugs are recreationally, or otherwise, they probably have a lot to do with many people not reaching their full potential.

But hey, maybe your potential was exactly where you are, hazy memories and all!

I could have been the heavyweight champion of the world

Not to mention the huge opium and cannabis crops in Afgahnistan?

I did mention it a few posts back over the page… pay attention U31

Making something legal here has no impact on the rest of the supply chain, it simply removes criminals from the UK end.

Well that's a start in my book.

What about the many unpleasant people who make the supply chain possible?

A problem that would be solved immediately if they were made legal… I look forward to the day I can say I'm just off to the shop for a pack of spliffs.

I also read somewhere thats it's the ideal location to invade Russia from and start WW3, although I'm not reading too much into that one.

why Afghanistan which had no oil

control of the opium fields production has gone through the roof since they have been there

EDIT poppy fields or whatever it is they make smack out of

Worked in London too with Blair and the Bus bombings…

//opens another can of worms and runs for cover.

Speak for yourself, I regularly beat my 8 year old on the downhills, don't think he'll catch me until he's at least 9 😆

Your bars are bent and you have Bet Lynch's saddle

Thats the link I was looking for last night after a few bevvy's Elfin.

It seems we have about a 50/50 split sheeples and sceptics (cheers MrSalmon hadn't heard that one before) It has certainly caused a fair bit of debate anyway.

Excellent choice, I've got them on my Blue Pig and they have been faultless… well not faultless, I cant fit the rrp mudguard round the brace bit with 2.4 tyres on, apart from that they are spot on.

Very plush and a with a 5 year no service required warranty they should last well too.

Until then, wind your neck in with your stupid unfounded assertions.

As much as it goes against my better nature I'm inclined to agree with TJ on this point. I think the government actually appointed someone to do a lot of research regarding drugs and when he pointed out that prohibition wasn't working they sacked him.

Never used one but I've always fancied taking one down a really bumpy downhill track with a doll in it… just to see the look of terror on peoples faces when I bail out and dump the bike.

lets hear some compelling evidence the official report is wrong

If the overwhelming evidence hadn't been buried or hidden then it wouldn't be a theory anymore and we wouldn't be having this discussion.

Yes I don't think I could do without mine nowadays, get a remote one if you can.

You just can't get the staff these days.

and…

What did Mark Datz say? I've tried google translator but it makes no sense of it!

I'm catagory 2 but I set my own suspension up.

I seem to have opened a can of worms here.

I still can't believe some of the supposedly intelligent people on here who ridicule several people myself included for even daring to suggest there might be some truth in the conspiracy theorys.

I'm flabbergasted at the blind faith they put in the official reports coming from the country with a very poor record in human rights, have they forgotten about Guantanamo bay and the countless amount of suspects they sent to Eastern Europe for torture, this is the same country that let thousands die in New Orleans even though they spend millions invading whichever country they fancy.

I wise man once said to me "Never trust a country which uses an Eagle for it's emblem" so thats the Romans, Germany and the good old USA to name a few.

Has everyone forgotten about the atrocities they committed in Vietnam, sending loads of thier own troops to die for no good reason. Hiroshima Nagasaki… attacking retreating troops as they left Kuwait… oh yes a really nice bunch of people the Americans.

Do I need to mention Cuba? Ecquador? The murder of Che Guevara?

The truth is out there people, don't believe what your governments tell you, watch a few different theories and make your own minds up, don't be a sheep or an osterich. It could be you in the next 9/11 style "shock and awe" excercise.

Missing links haven't watched this one all the way through yet but it looks interesting, someone sent me it this morning.

Weve already established that you are MIB TJ 8) 😆

I see your still trying to distract folks from the truth, have a watch of the Zeitgeist movie, there's quite a few credible sources in it.

I still can't find the really good article by one of the american engineering institutes, where have you hid it?

I'm off to bed before TJ comes round to try and erase my brain and I'm far too pished to be looking for credible sources at this time on a Saturday night.

Chill folks it's just a theory after all, you can choose to believe it or not.

E definately… works everytime for me

People will be saying the moon landings were faked next.

Don't get me started on the moon landings 😆 actually I couldn't care less about the moon landings, they were before my time but the're a few interesting theorys about.

Back on topic it amazes me the amount of people on here that blindly believe the official line on the 9/11 attacks, clearly the investigations were full of holes and hence the reason the conspiracy theorys started in the first place.

You don't have to believe them, just feel free to question everything that you see in the media. I tend to take everyhting with a big pinch of salt but I hear more plausable arguements from the conspiracy theorists than the official reports which are clearly aimed at non technical folk.

I've studied quite a few controlled explosions and what happened that day was not caused by a plane strike, just my opinion of course but quite a few of my fellow structural engineers agree.

Definately the best hardtail I've ever ridden… I'm tempted to get the Ti version it's that good.

Blue Pig btw

most pointless, Ill informed post of the day?

Like I said I've ridden the old version and the new one doesn't look like such a radically different model to the one it replaced.

Not really!, apart from the hydroformed tubes they share a lot of features, single pivot linkage driven shock, same geometry, similar weight, it's not going to ride radically differently is it? Ok there maybe a subtle difference but it's not going to be like getting off a single pivot and going to a vpp or dw link!

Or have I missed something?

I'm going down the pub, I'll leave you with an excerpt from the greatest conspiracy theory of all time, and one which I believe to contain a fair amount of plausable arguements. The zeitgeist movie, the full version is about 2 hours but it beats x-factor if your being forced to watch that.

Here's a bit from it about 9/11…

Zeitgeist

there not going to blow up two of their most iconic buildings with hundreds of people in.

I think you underestimate the power of the darkside 😈

You can make evidence fit what the hell you want if you choose word it carefully

works both ways, if you wanted to sway public opinion in order to support your invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan then you could quite easily make it look like terrorists have attacked your iconic buildings

I have a friend who emigrated to America from the north east of england, she now goes on vacation…

no sorry love, your on HOLIDAY, how quickly people forget thier roots

This is what makes me think there might be some truth in the controlled explosion theory…

If you don't get the explosives in exactly the right place it doesn't collapse vertically, like this…

controlled demolition fail!

believe whatever you would like to TJ… I'm keeping an open mind, it's not such a closed case in my book. Some of the conspiracy theories are far fetched I agree but several have been backed by various engineers and scientists as plausable, not saying I believe them, just keeping an open mind. anyway…

but what if TJ is one of them secret operatives posting on this forum to distract us from the truth 😆
TJ mib ➡ 8)

anyway I like cospiracy theorys[/url] far more interesting than what the mainstream media puts out

Why do dealer insist on coming on this forum and bigging up thier bikes… I mean no dealer is going to come on and say it's a load of rubbish are they?

Like I said I've ridden the old version and the new one doesn't look like such a radically different model to the one it replaced.

atlaz I'd try and get some independant reviews if I were you, might be great for you, only a test ride will tell.

I've seen the conspiracy stuff. What a load of codswallop. If you're (To put it bluntly) thick enough to believe that BS, then I'm surprised you can write your own name.

And secondly, have some bloody respect for the people that died. Tosser.

Bit harsh, I see the usual forum morons have to resort to name calling. Just to clarify I have nothing but respect for the people that died. It was a tragic waste of life. Thick enough to belive it? no but I'm open minded enough to question it and listen to other arguements which clearly makes you the narrow minded brain washed bigot… shouldn't you be watching big brother with the rest of the morons?

Here's an interesting perspective on Building 7

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never watched it intensionally, seen it in other peoples houses on occasion, what a load of *** insert expletive of your choosing ***

just more mindless drivel for the brainwashed masses

Planes fly into buildings > Sheer force from explosion blows all heat/fireproofing off steel structure > Steel structure under extreme heat > Steel structure gives way > Force from the structure above dropping vertically causes rest of building to collapse.

But that's the point, the architect designed the building to withstand the impact of a boeing 707. And if was going to come down due to the plane strike it wouldn't come down vertically. Try throwing a model plane at a tower of jenga and see which way it falls.

Aviation fuel fires do not melt steel… Thermite does!

One of my mates rides the older version, I've had the misfortune of riding it a few times. It weighs half a ton, climbs like a pig for me because it's a size too small, he seems to manage ok though and seems to think the weight is worth dragging up the hills for the benefits of its downhill ability.

Must admit it feels quite planted on the decents, probably more due to weight and the coil shock rather than the suspension design. It is a avery solid design frame. Persona: Iron Bru, made in Scotland from girders.

I've ridden loads of bikes that are better on the ups and loads of bikes that are better on the downs. I've even ridden bikes that decend better than the covert and climb loads better. It's definately a gravity orientated bike and not wholly convincing at that!

I wouldn't have one unless it was a cheap play bike but then again if I wanted a playbike, I'd buy an old DH frame.

Problems, the rear tyre hits the seattube when the suspension compresses, this might have been solved on the new version but the two old ones I've seen both had a nice rub mark on the back of the seat tube.

I tend to listen to the opinions of scientists rather than the angry nutters, there's a few good conspiracy videos about that put up a very good arguement. Unfortunately I can't seem to find the best one, maybe it's been removed in a conspiracy to remove the conspiracy vids 😯 😆

Here's a more credible one although he does come across as a bit of a mad professor.

It's good to know that there are still plenty of people about that believe what thier governments want them to believe, I guess thats the thing with mass media brainwashing… most of the population are brainwashed. Some of us however, like to read between the lines and make our own minds up. Laugh as much as you like, I'd rather watch a load of different conspiracy videos than blindly believe what I see and read in the mainstream news.

Now where did I put that tinfoil hat?

There's quite a few credible sources that believe in the controlled demolition theory, the original architect for one and a lot of members of the American institue of structural engineers.

Yes you're right how stupid of me to expect anyone to own up to it!