What you seem to be calling for is a two tier justice system, where Baz from Huyton gets a harsh sentence because he’s a horrid right wing thug, but Sebastion and Angelicafrom Surrey get a completely different sentence, because their cause is deemed (by you) as a nice, worthy, middle class one that you happen to agree with.

On the contrary, I’m calling for a one-tier system where people are sentenced according to the actual gravity of their crimes. You’re right – I’m putting violence against the person as higher on the list than annoying a judge.

But they’re completely different things, as you’ve said so yourself, its like complaining that someone who robs a bank gets a difference sentence from someone who speeds on the motorway.

Yes, it’s like complaining that someone who robs a bank and shoots a bank clerk gets a lighter sentence than someone who speeds on a motorway. You’re making progress (but do bring your arguments up again next time someone who kills a cyclist by dangerous driving walks away with a slap on the wrist).

Consistency in sentencing is provided by the sentencing guidelines.

Different legislation, different guidelines.

The state (your MP) will be happy to discuss your concerns because they also vote on the legislation

The legislation invoked is also a choice – see the current decision to charge people with “riot”, so it’s not an impartial process. Person A lobs a brick and gets 2 years for violent disorder, person B lobs a brick and gets 10 years for riot. Not consistent.

Make your mind up.

You seem to be a bit confused. Making an argument about climate change (even by blocking a road) is not by any stretch as serious a crime as physical assault, yet it gets a harsher sentence. That is not consistent sentencing.

Happy to clear that up for you.

Couldn’t have said it better myself, it’s just whataboutry, but you keep bringing it up like it matters somehow.

So consistency in sentencing is “whataboutery” ?

Ooft. Suspect the atmosphere at SD Worx dinner table will be TENSE ?

Might wanna hide the steak knives and go with soup instead. Interesting to see how DV reacts, but I think we can forget any lead-outs for Wiebes in the very near future.
Wasn’t there a controversy last year when AMVV attacked while DV was stopped for a pee? Or have I misremembered? Seem to recall that DV got fired up and burned the field the next day. 

Whether cocky self assuredness or blatant prejudiced stupidity winds a judge/jury up more is probably best assessed on a case by case basis, though.

If you’re the sort of person who gets easily wound up by human behaviour it’s probably better that you don’t become a judge and leave the job to people able to make an objective evaluation of what they see before them.

then spent their time in court behaving like a bunch of arses, despite being repeatedly warned by the judge to pack it in as they were in contempt of court.

What you describe as “behaving like a bunch of arses” was explaining to the court the motive for their actions and the stakes involved. Not really the same as throwing bricks at the police, but maybe you’d have been happier if they’d drawn a hilarious meme.

We’ll see how their sentences compare to the JSO ones

Different legislation, different sentencing guidelines

And? Does that make it fair? Shouldn’t the sentence in some way reflect the severity of the crime?

What possible similarities are there?

The contrived use of draconian riot legislation to crush revolt.

Particularly seeing as they’re now on about charging people with rioting, which carries a much longer sentence, up to 10 years

Echoes of Orgreave. Some things never change.

More prison sentences for violently attacking police and refugee hostels. Still none comparable to the sentences on peaceful Just Stop Oil protesters.

@franksinatra this is getting weird. If you now tell me that your wife, despite being a generally tidy person, leaves the inside of the car like Glastonbury-the-day-after I’ll be proper suspicious.

There’s some ugly cutlery on display here. Are folk trying to recreate the ambience of a motorway service station in their own home?

Wife then notices how little I am taking so starts to fill up my bag with her overflow. Every bloody time

Hang on – are we married to the same woman ?

I’m shuddering to think what my wife would write if she were to contribute to this thread ….

With solar and batteries it’s even better, from pretty much everything but 3 months over winter the house runs off 7.5p/kwh rate (charge the batteries overnight) and any generation is sold to the grid at 15p/kWh.

Id be interested to see your calculations, since when I’ve looked into getting a battery the cost per kWh storage never made sense. The irony is that I have a huge battery sitting on my driveway…

Last week I was watching the pros race for Olympic medals. This morning I was out on my bike in the hills of Northumberland. I’m sure those guys are good, but they didn’t have to choose between wading an icy stream and getting nettles on their legs crossing a rickety footbridge, did they? And they had folk handing them proper snacks, not carrying a pocket full of Lidl knock-offs. So chapeau to the Olympians, but it’s important to see these things in their proper context.

Not sure I really understand the question. What does the human eye see in the dark? More or less nothing, so special equipment not needed :-)

Heard it, listened again…and again. not a word from his measly fat mouth was true, if I wrote what I’m thinking then……….

Im not abusing my mental health by listening to that merde but Mishal Hussein is usually pretty good at calling out these liars?

Wait til you hear Starmer’s latest lie – that it is Iran who are responsible for preventing a ceasefire.

In the end the spokesman/statement/PR thing is irrelevant. Israel will kill who they want, where they want, when they want and nobody will do a damned thing to stop them.

BBC4 has a series detailing how the US condones and indeed participates in genocide. One particularly apt episode concerns Darfur. It’s sobering viewing for anyone who imagines that decency and justice will prevail in Gaza.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m0020xx5/corridors-of-power-should-america-police-the-world-series-1-5-darfur-carrots-for-a-war-criminal?seriesId=unsliced

It’s more than a wee bit ironic when a Nazi declares his support for Jews.

Just for my education, what constitutes being “a Nazi” in Yaxley-Lennon’s case, and in what respects do his political views differ from Netanyahu’s?

Not sure if this link will work …

https://www.facebook.com/share/v/2L9KS8vKnx8exNqg/?mibextid=WC7FNe

i like the idea of christening them “the Farage riots “

Well do something about it.

Litter pick.

Collect all the Macdonalds or KFC crap from the area round their drive through and give it back to them.

Yeah I do. But I don’t take it back as I’m not even sure where the nearest McDonalds is. We are miles from anywhere and I routinely fill a sack with McD packaging, energy drink cans and even – god help us – used nappies. People in Britain are just filthy pigs.

I would like to setup an area in the UK where all the far right can live happily together with only white British born people allowed

Well maybe we could just amend our agreement with Rwanda?

A few cars were set alight in Rotherham. Meanwhile in Gaza …

this youTube channel is by Emmy-nominated Palestinian journalist and film maker Bisan Owda and documents daily life

Aren’t they two different cases DrJ? The person getting 3 years being unconnected with the arson/attempted manslaughter-murder?

Yes they are, you are correct. We will have to wait and see if the arsonist gets a substantially bigger sentence.

I notice that a part of the judge’s sentencing remarks focuses on the cost of the JSO protests and the injury to a police motorcycleman.

Indeed – neither of which have any comparison to violent assault.

there it is in black and white; 11 people now liking a post that’s probably copied straight from a Tweet, that’s totally made up meaningless horse-shit, but makes for a slick one liner to get folks wound up

Well if we’re talking about “totally made up”, you’ve concocted quite a dish of it yourself, with the exception of the “11 likes” bit, which I suppose is accurate at the time I write this. As for the sentencing remarks, as you say, a quick Google will tell you the judge’s “reasons” for imposing the sentence he did, and you can judge for yourself (geddit ???) whether they make sense, and whether 5 years for non-violent “disruption” is fair in a system where a person gets much less for violent assault. Your hero talks about the JSO defendants being “fanatics”; how much more fanatical is setting fire to someone’s place of refuge?

So three years for punching a cop but 5 years for peacefully blocking a road   Right.

I’m sure you know that Israel consists of 20% Arab plus other minorities such as the Druze – who have full democratic rights, educational, civil and any other rights

Not true, most obviously in the case of the Law of Return. And Arab residents of Jerusalem are not even allowed citizenship.

in fact Israeli Arabs are over represented in professions such as being pharmacists , doctors & nursing.

Strange, then, that they generally have lower income and fewer years of schooling.

 Israel also  has no territorial ambitions in Gaza

Puhleez. Stop it. Really.

On the subject of Gaza – I would certainly hope that the perpetrators of these crimes would be hunted down one day.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/aug/05/palestinian-prisoners-describe-widespread-abuse-in-israels-jails

Violence, extreme hunger, humiliation and other abuse of Palestinian prisoners has been normalised across Israel’s jail system, according to Guardian interviews with released prisoners, with mistreatment now so systemic that rights group B’Tselem says it must be considered a policy of “institutionalised abuse”.

Former detainees described abuse ranging from severe beatings and sexual violence to starvation rations, refusal of medical care, and deprivation of basic needs including water, daylight, electricity and sanitation, including soap and sanitary pads for women.

In a months-long investigation, B’Tselem interviewed 55 former prisoners housed in 16 Israeli prison service jails and detention centres run by the Israel Defense Forces (IDF), mapping the scale and nature of abuse. The highly respected Jerusalem-based group concluded that Israel’s prisons should now be labelled “torture camps”.

Most people want to see peace for Israel and Palestine

Apart from most Israeli voters, obvs.

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The post was actually

So, nothing about “brutally hunted down”. Thanks for clarifying.

It’s quite worrying

I’d certainly be worried about my reading comprehension if I imagined that any of those things had been written.

It would be quite funny to deprive him of his British citizenship as not conducive to the public good.

Are you talking about Nigel Farage ?

let’s try and shove every possible cliché and current social theme into one series.

True, but still enjoying the scenery and the story :-)

Has “Lady in the Lake” been mentioned yet? I was a bit unconvinced after the first episode but now really enjoying it.

Saw  Wicked Little Letters at the cinema.

I thought it was excellent ,with a great main cast.

Yes, I liked it too, and I absolutely love Jessie Buckley :-)