Have tried Five Ten karver,fell in bits after a year and hopeless/heavy when wet take forever to dry. Am 41’s not enough grip for my liking. Teva link mids not bad grip,dry quicker but are a pain to clean.Five Ten freeriders which I use as a summer shoe,brilliant.And lastly Five Ten freeride elements Vx1 which are the best flat pedal shoes I have tried.Brilliant grip,comfy,dry VERY quickly and just wipe down with a wet cloth.For my two night rides and a Saturday blast they are perfect