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dougiedoggFree Member
What trade deal with China? What year is that likely to be signed?
You are right there isn’t one
dougiedoggFree MemberI thought someone suggested that the reason for not voting for it would be as it might prevent a trade deal with China?
Yes it was me, I wasn’t condoning genocide, or doing trade deals with countries involved in it. I was pointing out how it would hinder the gov when making a possible future trade deal with China.
dougiedoggFree MemberOn the genocide amendment thing – those who were against it on this thread – you’re supportive of doing trade deals with countries currently engaged in genocide? I struggle to get my head around that – tear up a trade deal with the EU, but one with countries committing genocide – fine?
Don’t think anyone has said that they endorse trade deals with countries engaged in genocide on this thread
dougiedoggFree MemberThat didn’t cover trade deals.
It was mentioned by Greg Hands yesterday.
Finally, I remind the House that ultimately if Parliament is not content with a trade deal that we have negotiated, it has statutory powers, under the Constitutional Reform and Governance Act 2010, to prevent ratification by resolving against ratification indefinitely. That is in addition to Parliament’s power to vote down any necessary implementing legislation, again thereby preventing ratification.
https://www.theyworkforyou.com/debates/?id=2021-01-19a.793.3&p=10180
dougiedoggFree MemberAnd the (rejected) amendment wouldn’t even prevent a government from signing a trade deal… but it would require legislation that parliament would get to scrutinise and vote on, rather than the government doing a back room deal.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitutional_Reform_and_Governance_Act_2010
This exists, to ensure treaties are put to parliament 21 days before ratification. Obviously the current parliamentary makeup means that ratification would be more or less assured.
dougiedoggFree Member” to my eternal shame i voted out. I have changed my mind”
That’s how I feel, it’s going to annoy me for the rest of my days.
dougiedoggFree Membera happy well rested workforce are more productive.
Exactly. The consequences of not providing this is currently being seen within the NHS, my workplace too for that matter.
dougiedoggFree MemberThe whole genocidal regime thing is a dead cat and it looks like it’s done the trick. Like this country has ever given a monkeys about trade deals with genocidal regimes? Saudi Arabia is our biggest arms customer FFS
More importantly, what it has also done has put workers’ rights, environmental controls, food standards, and the NHS on the table in any future trade negotiations, but nobody is talking about that.
Hi @binners please post up the actual wording of the agreement signed/voted on for us, or a link to it.
dougiedoggFree MemberI meant parliament, was wrong when I said gov.
UK courts have ruled that the other signatory to the deal is guilty of genocide,
As discussed the UK courts could rule China to be guilty of genocide, are we to be ruled out of making agreements with them?
dougiedoggFree MemberHence why the gov could not vote to block trade agreements with the likes of China.
dougiedoggFree MemberI don’t have twitter so I googled the content of the tweet binners posted and got this
Genocide is not just concerned with killing. The treatment of Uighurs could be considered genocide.
dougiedoggFree MemberThe same principle applies to all politicians… ignore what they say, pay close attention to what they do
We’ve had many lofty statements about them not undermining workers rights, environmental protections, food standards, access to the NHS for private healthcare companies.
However, when asked to put these intentions into legislation they have consistently refused to do so. Then, yesterday, they did this
Yes, you read that right. Tonight the govt voted against amendments to protect our NHS, uphold food standards, protect our environment, maintain workers’ rights & block trade deals with countries that commit genocide.
Another shameful day for Tory MPs after last night’s debacle. https://t.co/fz0CvyJtjl
— Angela Rayner 😷 (@AngelaRayner) January 19, 2021
So if you still believe what they say then I have some magic beans you may be interested in at a very reasonable price
So they refused to sign an amendment which would rule out trade deals with China? Am I understanding that correctly?
I’m not sure any country would vote to rule out trade deals with china.
dougiedoggFree MemberKEY POINTS
EU countries
EU countries must ensure that all workers are entitled to:
a minimum daily rest period of 11 consecutive hours in every 24;
a rest break in any working day longer than 6 hours;
an uninterrupted 24-hour rest period every 7 days, in addition to the daily 11 hours;
at least 4 weeks paid annual leave;
a maximum average working week of 48 hours, including overtime, over 7 days.
Normal night work should be no more than 8 hours on average in any 24-hour period.
Night workers are entitled to free health checks at regular intervals.
National authoritiesNational authorities may:
use reference periods, ranging from 14 days to 4 months, to calculate weekly rest periods and maximum weekly working time;
exempt managing executives, other senior decision makers, family workers and religious officials from the legislation.
Derogations to certain provisions may also apply for any of the following:
security and surveillance activities requiring a permanent presence to protect people or property;
continuity of service or production in areas such as hospitals, docks, airports, the media and agriculture;
a foreseeable surge of activity (notably agriculture, tourism, postal services, railways, accidents);
derogations agreed in collective agreements between employers and employees.
The legislation does not apply to seafarers; nor does it apply to workers covered by more specific rules (such as mobile workers in the road transport, civil aviation, cross-border railway or inland waterway transport sectors).
EU countries may apply more favourable health and safety provisions if they wish.When the government, not fiction writers, actually outlines which of the parts listed in bold they are going to deviate from, then I’ll beleive you @kelvin
The derogations in EU labour law , provide for a great deal of leeway on the WTD.
dougiedoggFree MemberWhat’s even more bizarre is the government bigging up NI effectively still being in the EU as a massive advantage for its economy
Raising the most obvious of questions…
Maybe Boris has finally solved the irish question, something even his hero couldn’t do.
dougiedoggFree MemberIn referance to the title; It’s not a thing outside of the media or FB.
dougiedoggFree MemberWrong Dougiedogg apprentices could not work overtime and unpaid leave qas only for bereavements
I was asking you, about your working conditions in the 70’s, I didn’t know the answer.
If you really believe this government is going to improve your employment rights that is quite an act of faith.
I didn’t say anything with regards to this.
In reference to the article posted above, I read it and didn’t really take anything factual from it. However there seems to be a lot of guesswork on here based on it.
What we do know is that the minimum wage (23+) will rise by 2.2% above inflation which was 0.5% for the last year. The furlough sceme is extended to the end of April. Positives
Don’t worry dougiedogg… I’m sure that now we’re out of the EU your situation will be improved.
I’m not convinced that N.I is really out of the EU at all.
dougiedoggFree MemberIn my first 4 years at work in the 70s i got no.paid leave year 1, a week year 2, 2 weeks year 3 and 3 weeks year 4.
30 days leave in 4 years.
Were you able to work overtime and take unpaid leave?
I currently work 42hrs a week, cannot work overtime and cannot take unpaid leave without a fight with HR.
dougiedoggFree MemberNo, I havent even been invited for my annual Flu vaccine, so I doubt I’ll be getting the Covid one.
dougiedoggFree MemberWell the UC vote today is probably heading in the opposite direction
dougiedoggFree Memberpost WW2 was a shit time; rebuilding an economy and society which had been shattered hence the 1945 reference.
That is the comparison.
Clearly, brexit is a self-imposed horror show without precedent.I don’t think Brexit is on the same scale as WW2
dougiedoggFree MemberMy dad got me a gold britannia when I was born, we lost it in a house move. Still makes me sad.
dougiedoggFree MemberWelcome to.. when? Have we ever done anything like this before?
Henry the 8th, couldn’t get a divorce, thats the last time I think.
dougiedoggFree MemberI always go to the local independant for this type of stuff, they have stock in the same town and you can take it away then and there.
Currys let me reserve a laptop which turned out to be the display model, which they couldn’t sell. Why?
dougiedoggFree MemberI’d be looking for steel wheels with some deep section tires on to minimise the time spent crawling along at 2mph or at the other end of scale the length of time I spend changing flats
Dacia duster 999cc
dougiedoggFree MemberIs he a he? I thought otherwise but cannot remember why now.
Sorry I made an assumption, if she’s a she, then it’s all the more impressive I’d say.
dougiedoggFree MemberWe are all just secretly jealous that he did it and that we didn’t
dougiedoggFree MemberWell done. I thought it was only possible for dogs.
Rib removal is touted as the solution for humans
Edit: Dammit
dougiedoggFree MemberHave you ever been in one? They are not great spaces to be, I certainly wouldn’t want to be in one for 2-4hrs per day.
No, but it ticks all the boxes.:D
dougiedoggFree MemberMay I ask if you are aware of the business practice of selling (comparatively) lower-quality goods at (comparatively) higher prices?
No but I don’t really understand the question. Do you mean adulteration or for example manufacturing cars in india from indian steel and manufacturing the same model in france with french steel and selling at the same price?
dougiedoggFree MemberDacia Duster, you can get LPG bi-fuel and 4 wheel drive, I think the 999cc petrol starts at 11k and with decent tyres even the 2 wheel drive will be fine.
Wont break the bank, I think you get a decent warranty as well.
dougiedoggFree MemberYea that’s true TJ. My line of questioning was along the lines of “is the food actually worse for your health?” which by the balance of discussion on here suggests yes, it is.
I assume P7 is being sarcastic towards me.
dougiedoggFree Member@dougiedogg now look up allowed levels of things like bugs or mouse droppings etc in US food.
The US list seems quite transparent FWIW https://www.fda.gov/food/ingredients-additives-gras-packaging-guidance-documents-regulatory-information/food-defect-levels-handbook
Can’t find the EU one
dougiedoggFree MemberSo I looked up the campylobacter incidence, CDC (US) claim 20 in 100000 people infected per year, england and wales was between 90 and 114 between 2008 and 2017.
So reporting rates differ.
dougiedoggFree MemberFor those who haven’t visited a US supermarket in the last few years, you might be surprised at just how much more expensive the food is than here.
This is why I wonder about this idea that the quality for consumer is much worse?
dougiedoggFree Memberonly if we drop our food safety standards to accept american fake foods and dangerous foods which then contaminates the UKs food supply meaning no exports to the EU
Has everyone forgotten the horse meat scandal?
Why I mention that is, US food may have lower welfare standards, but I think the idea of the food quality (risk to human health) actually being worse may be quite overstated, unless someone can point me to some definitive study?
TJ you came back to me with a blank “nope” on my statement about withdrawal periods. These are there so that residual levels of medicines in the animal can be eliminated in the liver. Is there evidence that these are not adhered to in the US?
dougiedoggFree MemberOn Points 1 and 2. I can only assume then that the human health issue is with withdrawal periods before slaughter, ie. how long between the last dose is given until it is slaughtered for sale. Incorrect dosing or not adhering to these periods would produce contaminated beef. If withdrawal periods and dosing are observed as they obviously are here, there is no real (consumption related) human health risk.
dougiedoggFree MemberDo you approve of Argentinian or US beef production standards? Do you want antibiotics in your beef?
When people mention lowering food standards I always think of horse meat for some reason.
Is the issue (with US beef) actually with antibiotics in the beef, ie. insufficient withdrawal period before slaughter (leading to issues with human health) or with overuse leading to resistance?
The first would impact our consumption, the second will impact US production.
dougiedoggFree MemberThe idea that we should be celebrating part of the UK being able to get food from other parts of the UK as some sort of challenge completed is, frankly, offensive.
Disclaimer – born and brought up in NI. Family still there thoroughly unimpressed right now.
Jeffery Donaldson, has been on the radio a few times about this, he says it goes against the terms of the GFA. The GFA was to be upheld at all costs in the brexit negotiations. The DUP have backed themselves into a very tight corner, they are right to complain and yet at the same time can’t. Unionism is going to have a very hard time coming back from this one.