Last week I took a picture of the sunrise and I was out 27 minutes before taking the picture, unfortunately I wasn’t where I wanted to be. :(

Random answer BTW.

Estella Warren, actress and swimmerist.

Carmen Jorda drives cars…….quickly!

And Fonsi Nieto’s girlfriend. :(

Stoner – Member

Ironically the judge appears to be agreeing with RudeBoy, or vice versa.

I dont see where.

RudeBoy values grafitti as an art form, judge says that as grafitti artists these guys are talented- I read this as judge agreeing that grafitti is an acceptable form of expresion and is not jailing them for grafitti.

RudeBoy says that it is acceptable to grafitti on dead spaces rather than on public property (I know this is open to debate). See above for my take on the judge.

They were jailed for criminal damage, same as throwing a brick through your window. RudeBoy appears to be ranting about the fact that the judge is trying to prohibit artistic expression, when clearly this isn’t the case. Up until the point of sentencing, both agree with each other. This is the irony.

Didn’t the judge point out that as grafitti artists, these guys were talented.

Sentencing, Judge Gledhill said: “Each of you are intelligent well-educated young men, hard working and capable of holding down jobs.

“Each of you are talented artists, in terms of graffiti artists, so to have to see the six of you sitting in the dock of this court about to be sentenced is quite appalling.”

So they are not being sent down for being graffiti artists, more so that they caused 70k damage.

Ringleader of the graffiti gang – called the AMF – Marcus Wisman, 22, was sentenced to 16 months for conspiracy to commit criminal damage.

Ironically the judge appears to be agreeing with RudeBoy, or vice versa.
Perhaps if the gang had paid for space on the trains like advertisers have, this wouldn’t have happened.

uplink – Member

Maybe legally but if someone was there wanting to get in while you parked you would be being a bit of a cock surely?

absolutely – but you could park it & walk if you wanted
I’m not sure I would but you can

I’m confused, so if there was a parking space available for the home owner to park in and walk, surely the offender should use that space. Or am i missing something???

Double parking and being blocked in is commonplace here in Madrid, the rule being that you don’t stray too far from the car if you are the blocker. The blocked when returning to the car simply sounds the horn until the blocker comes to move their car, usually no more than a couple of minutes, more than enough time to buy ciggys, a paper or drop thekids off. If it more than a couple of minutes then maybe people start to get a bit pi$$ed off.

Some people really do need to get a life, hardly crime of the century… :wink:

This guy impressed me.

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Kashmir seconded.

Oh go on then…

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Don’t use it as much as I should, other bike is an Orbea Alma which gets much more use. No real issues with the Sirius, much more fun on the downs than the Alma, but as I prefer climbing so the Alma wins. The Sirius is fitted with Recons and climbs well when they’re wound down to 85mm, it’s just it’s a couple of kilos heavier than the Alma. The of the kit is XT, so no issues there.

A good fun bike which is as comfortable as the Alma (carbon) and a good all day bike. ;-)

Do the Spanish have major racial issues?

Complicated to answer, but I think basically the answer is yes. Not really much different from the UK 25-30 years ago, Black and White Minstrel Show???
As Mogrim says, give them a few more years to catch up and understand and everything wil be fine.

Regarding the blackening of faces, it’s Hamilton that they hate not the colour of his skin. If he was Scandinavian I’m sure blonde wigs and horned helmets would have been worn. In this case it’s the man not the colour which is the issue.

These have done me for the past couple of years. Very comfortable and nice and wide, I use them with some cheapo carbon bar ends. Carbon frame and carbon bars- no issues here in using carbon. :lol:

mogrim – Member

These cabrones are from further afield

If it’s Morenito give us a shout, I know them all and could go chat…
I know some of the Morenito team, it’s not them. I can’t say who it is for obvious reasons.

How’s life with you?
Are you coming to Madrid for the XC World Cup at the end of the month?

theflatboy – Member

i’m not saying they have the right to use them, i’m saying you have the proof that they’re yours!

You’re right but it might not be enough for the judge, crazy isn’t it??

Also, this is bang out of order, and as illegal in Spain as it is in the UK. I’d send a strongly worded follow up (via your lawyer if finances permit) explaining that you’d like £20 per pic shown on the site – even include an invoice. It’s theft, pure and simple.

Not necessarily so, it depends on how the judge reads the situation. Charging and claiming compensation is my issue.

thisisnotaspoon – Member

have they saved the pictures, or are they linking to them on flickr (like we do in the forum)?

They are linking directly, but I don’t know if they have copies saved for future use, I had thought about uploading some porn, but it is flickr and I don’t think they’d approve. :?

mogrim – Member

So who is it then, Simon: Karacol, Bicimania, Mammoth?

¡Que malo eres!! They all have permission to use any pictures and they know how to link. I have a good relationship with most of the shops in Madrid. These cabrones are from further afield.

theflatboy – Member

if they use your name and imply that you are a friend of the shop when they use the images, does they way they do that not make it fairly clear that they’re your photos in the first place? or have i misunderstood?

Basically no. If the BNP use your pictures and your name in a friendly way, does that make it OK? Any user must have permisssion, fundamental copyright law. :wink:

Why should there be a problem? I don’t recall ever having issues in Wales except when some of the English names were given a Welsh spelling… Overton to Owrtyn or something like that! WTF!

coffeeking – Member

I was going to say that plenty of sites use auto-harvest/display of any photos you put on flickr simply by parsing search results so I presume these are images that are either a) marked as private or b) being specifically noted as being “their own”?

I don’t understand!!

I know flickr has a feature for dislpaying photos and embedding script in web pages, but as with all flickr stuff the is clear branding on display, these are being taken and included in a website to appear as if the are part of the site in an effort to make the site look more appealing.
The photos are public and I don’t think there is any question that copyright has been breached, just a question of demonstating who the photographer is.

andywhit – Member

>I think the answer is with the exif info and serial number of the camera. Then it comes down to the judges opinion.

Indeed, but obviously you could use software to add the serial number of your camera to any old image.

</devil’s advocate>

In a nutshell we have the whole problem, je je je!

simonk – Member

Have you tried contacting the shop in question? make them aware of what they are doing, first thing i normaly do (and i have had to once) is contact them and inform them of what they are doing and invoice them [:D] then i would take it further and seek legal assistance.

All been done and this is where the original question was raised, my lawyer was playing devil’s advocate by asking the question. Further details have been explained above.

Cheers everyone.

andywhit – Member

Are they still stealing your pics ? If so then set a honeypot trap and upload some pics which have an invisible watermark inside them. Wait for them to nick them and when they appear on the web then think of a way for someone independent to verify they’re yours with the invisible watermark.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_watermarking

Watermarking wasn’t the issue, the key point was demonstrating that I took the pictures as my lawyer stated that the judge would want some hard evidence that I was the photographer. I could take any picture from here and watermark it. What does that prove?
I think the answer is with the exif info and serial number of the camera. Then it comes down to the judges opinion.

The other way is that the shop has to demonstrate that they do have permission and the relationship with the photographer, which obviously they can’t…

If you were using flickr. Then presumably just saw one of your photo’s clicked on your profile and downloaded the 20 most recent, anyone can do this is the files are publicly visible. Or am I missing something?

They are running some sort of software which is able to download the images from the flickr pages automatically within about 10-15 minutes of uploading them.
I am aware that people will download the odd picture for personal use, and this is fine as the images are low resolution. Taking in excess of 700 and putting them on your website then claiming to have some sort of relationship with the photographer is quite frankly extracting the urine.

have you contacted shop and asked them for payment and they are saying it’s not your photo?

They’ve been sent a letter explaining that they do not have permission to use the photos and been given a reasonable time period to remove them.
They have ignored the request and continue harvesting pictures from the flickr pages!!

They also use my name and give the impression that I am friend of the shop and give authority and permission. Ceeky chunts!

Stopping people downloading? Not sure – I usually use Adobe Flash galleries and can then set the picture to not be downloadable, not that I bother as I only upload low res versions (max 1000px on the long side).

But that wouldn’t stop someone taking a sreen shot then taking the picture, would it?

I hate plastering pictures with watermarks – kind of defeats the point of putting them up in the first place. I may look into the invisible ones sometime though since I have had a fair few images harvested in the past [:-(] Usually just the threat of taking action does the trick though.

I too hate watermarks, but it still doesn’t prove who took the picture. I am at the stage of threatening legal action, but that doesn’t solve the problem of saved copies which they will be able to use in the future, pay me for the things and you can use them!!

Were did you upload them too and were are they being used and what for out of interest?

They were uploaded to flickr with an all rights reserved tag, they are pictures of cycle racing and being used on a web site of a cycle shop, I take pictures to sell so I can put food on my table.

Sandwich – Member

Civil suit requires a balance of probabilities, not reasonable doubt proof! I’m assuming you just want money not a jail term for the criminal.

I’m also talking about the Spanish legal syatem which isn’t quite the same as UK law.
I’m not sure if my lawyer is trying to get me to build an ablsolutely concrete case where there is a high probability of winning or just trying to put me off by asking impossible questions. She isn’t a copyright lawyer and therefore isn’t up to date with copyright law or the laws around the internet.

She was just asking questions she thought the judge might ask and this one had me stumped. Even with the above advice and suggestions, there are photos and videos of me taking pictures but there are only a few pictures which can be identified as mine due to exclusive access.
Even with a photo of me taking the picture, this is not conclusive that I took the picture. And this is the absurdity.

There is a possibility that the judge won’t, according to the lawyer, understand the technology and therefore reject the case.
So I need something that is 100% concrete.

Remember this is Spain, the lawyer also said that if the hosting site is not 100% secure, then the responsiblity may lie there!!!! Which basically means there is no copyright protection in Spain, Screen print anyone??

Good news is I’ve found the serial number in the EXIF which will tie the photo to the camera… :D

We’re talking about 700+ photos which are being used on a web site without permission, so alot of money..

Also, does anyone know how they are able to capture the last 20 pics I upload? What software they are using? Can I block it? Does the software save a copy of the photo on a hard drive or anywhere else??

Thanks again.

Pipedream Sirius seconded.

Here’s mine.

Running with Recons, windn them in when climbing and wind them out for coming back down. Not too heavy and I doubt that I’ll break it.

SSSSSSSSSShhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!

RobS – Member

Original file is the only answer I think – which is why I have a HUGE hard disk and gazillions of DVDs of RAW files kicking about the place [;-)]

Taking the above responses and putting them into one quote, I have chosen the above. This answers the question, in my opinion, that the people using the photo(s) didn’t take it(them), but it doesn’t prove that I did!

How the **** do you prove copyright??????

I have already spoken to my lawyer and stated that, not only do I have the original copy, but I could take you to the (more or less) exact spot that any of 30,000 pictures were taken. She seems to think that this might not be good enough for the judge. Aaargh!

Thanks for the help so far.

You might have more luck asking here[/url], or maybe here[/url]. Good luck and enjoy.

rockthreegozy – Member

Sorry to get your hopes up- I was referring to EXIF data- but as I now realise it doen’t tie it to you.

No worries. Hopes were up briefly but now back down where they belong. :lol:

GrahamS – Member

EXIF data will tell you make and model of the camera that took it, plus the exact date and time it was taken. But that is all editable and can easily be removed (deliberately or accidentally).

So there is nothing to prove who took the photo.

I guess the mirror is the solution…

user-removed – Member

If you’ve got any recent version of Photoshop, you can view the EXIF data using Bridge. If not, go download something like THIS PROG which does the same thing.

EXIF data is the closect thing to a ‘fingerprint’ and will tell you the camera make and model, shutter speed and apperture, etc…

But doesn’t show that I was holding a particular camera..

It’s a question of copyright and I need to prove without doubt that I was holding the camera that took the picture… So really I’m looking for info held in the EXIF or somewhere that will link to the exact camera.

Moon on a stick anyone???

GrahamS – Member

Nikon sell Image Authentication Software which is used when taking digital photos of crime scenes so they can prove they haven’t be tampered with. That’s a pretty good way. Anything else can be faked.

Not really looking at image manipulation, more at who was holding the camera, cheers.

Tracker1972 – Member

I am guessing that putting a mirror in the picture is just not going to cut it?
I am sure you can get watermarking software that hides the info in the file or picture without affecting the image? Long time since I looked though…

The mirror might have to be a solution :?

Watermarking doesn’t demonstrate that I actually took the photo.

I do actually have several hundred witnesses, but need something concrete!!!!

Canon BTW.

Too late for that. :(
The photo has been taken and I need to prove that I took it, rockthreegozy has the most promising lead so far.

rockthreegozy – Member

Digital photos have a fingerprint that links them to your camera if that helps

Go on, is this in the EXIF? if so where should I look? If not, where should I look?

Energizer rechargeable 2500mAh are always with me, I also have some cheapos, but only use them in emergencies.

Classsssssssssssssss!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Afraid not, just uploaded 250 or so pictures.

According to my account for making payment there are three options:
Productos
Servicios/otros
Artículos de Ebay

HTH.

Yep, they made a V8, we had a Costello with a rather large bulge on the bonnet.

Same as this but brown.

More on the Costello here.

Fast as F***!

Nice car BTW, enjoy it.

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Her ladyship.

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I managed to do this to a road bike, front wheel fell through the grid on a drain. The bike stopped in an instant and tried to rip the fork through the head tube, but successfully launched me down the road. 24/12/08, twas a happy festive season for me :(

Sticking to mountain biking from now on, nowhere near as dangerous as road riding!

Poindexter – Member

Don, that Sirus is lovely. A proper work horse, looks just right.
I’m tempted to chop in my Chameleon for one of those.

Thanks, I considered a Chameleon before buying, but most of the comments regarding the Aluminium frame and harshness of ride put me off. The Sirius is great, as I’m a devotee to simplicity and hardtail I love it for all day rides. I had an aluminium (old) GT Avalanche which was great but a bit harsh, so it made the buying decision a bit easier regarding the steel/alu question.
The only real problem is that I’m a bit of a speed freak which means the Orbea gets used more frequently, hey ho!

I like the Old Charlton steel flat bar racer above.

Baldysquirt – Member

I ride mine with 85-130mm recons on it. For most local woods riding (except the really steep stuff) and my local off-road commute, i keep it on 100-115mm. It seems to handle most stuff really well. However, in the peak, I run it at 130mm for almost all my descending and most other stuff in between. I rarely wind the forks down to 85mm) I don’t think it would be at its best with 130mm all the time, but it would certainly get up most stuff still, and be a hoot on the way down.

I would add that for the steeper climbs I do wind the forks down to 85mm as I find the front end wanders around when set at 100mm, generally the fork is kept at 100-110mm and extended for descending.

TheLittlestHobo – Member

I ran mine for 2 yrs on 85-130mm recons. It was fine in all settings however it always felt a little heavy.

Agreed, the Recon is quite heavy, I’d prefer something a little lighter.

Oh yeah, the pic…

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Red rocks! Now sporting a green Chris King headset and a suitably cut steerer.

If you’re ever in Madrid you can have a play on mine!!!

Adios!