Orange are quality made bikes, yes you pay alot, but you get what you pay for. a good shop should be able to sort you out with a bit of a discount, my partner managed to get free paint job on frame and wheels and 10% off her 2010 five, but then again, she's not picking it up for 3 months, so orange don't have a short deadline to build it. they are hard to get a discount, but you may be able to get some sort of discount, it really depends on the dealer and their relationship with orange