And you think that because *some* of their songs sound like *some* other songs, that makes them derivative? Suit yourself. You could not be more wrong though. You could try to be more wrong, but you would not succeed.

Yep. Influenced by and derivative as I first said. And I do understand the difference.

I was initially pointing out that they hadn’t just appeared out of nowhere. This is not necessarily a bad thing and was in my opinion, wrt The Beatles, a good thing.

I’ll leave you to have the last word if you wish, you seemed to have appointed yourself as the arbiter of the accuracy of my posts here.

Ive been pondering this a bit. Is it that culturally the beatles really were a huge revolutionary influence but musically less so? Ie folk who played or who were music nerds knew where all the influences came from but the general public didn’t?

there is no doubt that culturally they were hugely influential.

Nail on the head for me TJ

And you were half right

Nope. Wholly right. Here’s an example, there are more:

If you don’t get it straight away the lyrics make it obvious from 0.40

Sure, but you said derivative

Not sure what your point is by highlighting this but I said both:

influenced by and derivative of

That’s true of the Stones, but I fail to see how the same could be said of the Beatles

Hugely influenced by American artists:
https://www.beatlesstory.com/blog/2022/10/19/bhm-2022-the-beatles-and-black-music/

Which as this piece notes, goes full circle with many US artists subsequently covering Lennon and McCartney compositions

It brought me to tears and I like it, maybe it’ll be a grower for others.
What you ‘young uns’ who think the Beatles are overrated don’t understand is: that in the 1960’s they were completely and utterly groundbreaking. The music beforehand was often dull and predictable (apart from Elvis). This group came out of the blue and changed everything. Their lyrics, their attitudes, their playing, their vocals, all unbelievably different from anything before. It was a ‘wham bam thank you mam’ into a different genre of music.

Completely and utterly ground breaking and out of the blue? Not really.

Like many other uk 60s musicians they were influenced by and derivative of earlier mainly american musicians. Chuck Berry, Little Richard, The Isley Brothers, early Motown artists like Barrett Strong, The Miracles, The Marvelettes. And the Everly Brothers and Buddy Holly and probably more.

Elvis similarly was influenced by earlier black american artists.

Just insured my 911 C4S and was a bit worried. Ended up at £306.68 with Churchill!

It’s odd, Porsches always seem cheaper to insure.

Happy to be corrected but certain cars are cheaper as they’re less likely to be involved in a claim. In other words a sporty hatchback is more likely to end up halfway through someone’s living room than a 911.

Wife’s 2.7 2014 Boxster always seems cheap. £172 last year, garaged, 5k, Hampshire.
Due for renewal in 6 weeks…

White American and British artists in the 60s covered a lot of music originally by black Americans didn’t they, often having more success than the original artist. Bobby Womack was reportedly frustrated that the Rolling Stones had the success with his It’s All Over Now. Although the frustration was apparently alleviated a bit when his first royalty cheque arrived.

I saw the recent Little Richard documentary on BBC, good old Pat Boone covered a couple of his tracks and had similar success. Richard was also disappointed and later critical.
Good watch btw:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m001lf9j

For 52 years I thought this was the original:

Then I watched this in 2022:

‘Summer Of Soul’ review: forgotten festival of Black brilliance finally gets its dues

Where Nina Simone performed it for the first time live. After writing it…

Played this recently for first time in many years.

Contemporaries of Scotland’s best known soul band in 70s the Average White Band, not as well known, but this was a fine album, even if it sounds a little of its time now:
https://www.allmusic.com/album/cado-belle-mw0000704998

I don’t think you want a Transit Auto though. Couple of mates have them and get mid 20s… 23-26mpg regularly…. which lets face it, isn’t great.

Hmm, good to know – having owned an auto since 2018 there’s no chance I’m going back to a manual.

For the Caravelle it seems around 35mpg is doable on a long run – figures on the forums are all over the shop, thanks to people with stupid 20″ wheels, or fully loaded camper set ups adding several hundred kg. Most of the caravelles seem to be the 204bhp BiTdi engine too, although not a huge difference to the 150bhp – they’re the same base engine.

I know I’ll have a sizable mpg drop from the easy 50+ mpg I can get with my Superb, I’ve accepted that – but dropping to half that would be a big no. On a long run up to Scotland with the wind behind me and cruising at 65mph I can get 55mpg without any trouble.

I’ve had a Transit Custom auto 130ps 2.0 since new in 2018 (assume we’re talking about Custom rather than bigger Transit here).

It does more long trips than local running around. It’s never dropped below 36mpg and will do 40 on a run. I am light on the throttle though and will do 60 rather than 70 on motorway/DC.

It’s a bit thirstier than equivalent manual I think. I believe 6th gear in the auto is a bit lower than the manual which probably contributes to this.

Not heard it this year thankfully. Jess Glynne’s gratingly awful cover of “This Christmas”

I only listen to heart70s/absolute70s…. No xmas songs..

well that and Solar Radio when in the garage.

OT, I’m another Solar Radio listener. Would guess there aren’t many more here.

Lots of rock in this thread, need some disco/funk for balance…

[Pedant content warning] In this context Cougar is describing “a” thing. here it’s a group of objects, but in the context of the sentence structure there’s no difference to the thing being many things or a thing, grammatically it’s still just “a thing” so “is” is correct. [/Pedant content warning]

It’s a further point about the plurality of bottles, ie, “And there is” (four bottles). Therefore if the previous “there’s” should be “there are”, “And there is” should be “And there are”

Anyways, notwithstanding I’ve just done it, people like us writing stuff like this on forums make me disproportionately cross!

My lesson for today is to try much harder to focus on the message. I understood exactly what Cougar wrote so no need for me to nitpick about grammar, spoken or written. My wife and daughter would at least welcome the lack of chuntering from me 🙂 And I might get to become a slightly more relaxed and nicer person. Win Win!

And there is, three of which contain homeopathic amounts of bleach.

People using “is” instead of “are”.

It’s pervasive. I try not to be bothered by it but I struggle.

Nice to see Levi Stubbs getting a nod.

Here’s an emotional Dionne Warwick in the audience with a uniquely talented and sadly departed musician performing a stunning version of one of her classics

Had this on an E90, cause was the footwell module.

48 years and counting.

Joyful

Bought this when i was 14, I’m 62 now and still listening to it

https://www.bbc.co.uk/music/reviews/rp9x/

I had a high roof van that I measured at 8’6″.

My shortest route to work was via a bridge signed as 7’3″/2.2m.

I usually drove my car to work but occasionally took the van to give it a run – which necessitated a short detour to avoid going under the bridge. Although I’d often looked at the bridge and thought there was more height than indicated, I wasn’t going to risk ripping the roof off and the ignominy of a mention on the local radio traffic news.

Then one day, driving the van to work, on autopilot, forgot what I was in and drove under the bridge…

Wasn’t until I was well clear and unscathed on the other side that I realised what I’d done. Fortunately there was a bit of room for error built in. But not much, confirmed to me by someone else from work who followed me through at a later date!

Is it safe? We are ok getting back on the board easily. How bad a sitution is the two of us falling off the board, getting back on and trying to stay warm?

The only way you can answer this is to go and try it, a few metres off-shore and with assistance at hand.

Not really the only way but do as matt_outandabout also says, think about the risks.

Be realsitic about your own abilities and understand the conditions you’re planning to paddle in. What’s the wind doing or forecast to do..? 15 knots and above will see choppy water and if it’s offshore from your launch point you may/will struggle to paddle back.

Inland waters can get down to 3c over winter, I’d guess Ullswater isn’t much above this currently.
A SUP is fairly easy to get back on but what if you’ve injured yourself or for some reason can’t get back on and you’re in 3c water for an hour? A cheap thin wetsuit won’t keep you warm.

So paddle through the winter if you want, just pick the right conditions, wear the right kit and be prepared for unwanted mishaps. A mobile in a proper waterproof bag is good insurance.

It’ll be fine, until it isn’t..

cold winds tomorrow. Cold water. Recipe for getting cold fast and that’s without going in the water.

The above is good comment.

Air temperatures around 5c tomorrow with a moderate northerly wind making it feel even colder. If you are in an open estuary (I don’t know Medway at all) and find yourself inadvertently in the water (around 8-9c at this time of year) for any reason and you aren’t wearing 4/5mm wetsuits you will be very cold very quickly and hypothermia won’t be far away.

There will be better and safer days for a first trip out!

For me the point about 75% of violence being against men is an issue with statistics.
I suspect that the majority of that violence would be a a result of male gangs, drinking etc.
The violence against women i would think is from a different source where their actions have no relation to the violence occurring.

This is the point The comparison between violence against men and women showing men have a higher risk is not the issue.

The issue is that so many women are fearful of all sorts of behaviour – not just physical violence – from some men towards them. This is stuff that men just don’t experience. It’s endemic and has been for a long time. There’s a mumsnet thread if any men want to take a look at what women are on the receiving end of. It’s sobering reading. The stuff that I thought had perhaps been left behind in the 70s and 80s is still going on – a lot.

What we need is a great big melting pot big enough to take the world and all its got

Over 50 years ago…

We should follow the law (and complain if we don’t like it) and I’d support tighter restrictions if they had an actual achievable aim. I have a intense dislike for people telling others what to do when it’s clear they’ve not go a clue what they’re talking about. The main problem is the government have repeatedly shown they’ve no respect for parliament or the rule of law so nothing they say can be trusted without looking at the underlying regulations so people will spout half truths based on what is in my opinion deliberately wrong guidance and their own opinions.

They’re generally the same sort of pricks who insist you should ride in a cycle lane if there’s one present rather than on the road.

I also find it very strange that a large proportion of people on here just don’t seem to care as long as it follows their view, but complained extensively when it was to do with brexit etc.

Completely agree. The government is making its usual balls up of this. And we’ve got police spouting about enforcing guidance, some forces issuing FPNs with no basis in the legislation.

https://www.fscs.org.uk/how-we-work/claims-process/temporary-high-balances/

I would disagree with this to some extent. Punk and two tone changed the way we dress right across the world. 1975 we were all in flares. 1979 flares were no more. That was completely driven by those two musical movements.

Not really.

There were people and cultures who avoided flares and their associated platform shoes, wide lapels and large collared shirts – skinheads, original mods who became smoothies or stayed as mods during the 70s, whose style was picked up by The Jam around 1977.

Plus the football casual fashions that arrived around 1977 and spread rapidly in the late 70s.

Punk and two tone were influential but did not completely drive the changes.

I was discharged from hospital yesterday after a 10 day stay.

Again, thank you so much for your comments, support and suggestions – I was very low and they helped me through a couple of tough nights. It’s nice that strangers can do that for someone. And I think it reflects how genuine people’s responses were.

I’ve a way to go to get back to fitness including potentially, several weeks of radiotherapy.

I’ll come back later if I manage to make some progress with what I asked about above.

Thanks all.

TiRed, I like that suggestion thanks!

Didn’t even know it was a thing.

The village primary school is just round the corner from us.

Sorry for a further post – being in hampshire I’m obviously at the western not eastern end of the south downs way….

Thank you to people for support, encouragement and suggestions today. All positive and valuable, even though I haven’t acknowledged everyone by name. Might sleep better tonight.

Why does it need shit like this to happen though for me to realise how much I love my OH and to be reminded how selfless she is…??? More effort needed from me here! In fact there are things on both sides that we are already talking about which we could both do differently.

Location wise I’m in Hampshire btw, a few miles from the eastern end of the south downs way.

Had what is hopefully just a minor set back today. Still sent me plummeting though..

But thanks neilco BillMC and Edukator, more food for thought and good stuff which I can relate to.

It was a bit of a step for me to tell a bunch of strangers what’s going on in my life in the first place tbh. Finger hovered over submit for a while…

But I’m glad I did, it’s helping me through this stuff

I’m not thinking about retraining or a new career. Don’t have time I want to give to that. Already spent 40 years doing what others paid me for. It’s about whether there’s anything that could give me or other people or things something else. So I’m aligned with TJ I think. Is that an unusual thing here…???

theotherjonv, thanks for your insight, spot on especially the relationship stuff.

And outofbreath you’re right I should carry on with those travel plans. Just don’t feel very much like doing anything on my own currently. Never bothered me before.

I’m in hampshire looking out over grey skies. At least I’ve got a window bed over the main entrance and I can see stuff happening outside.

Poopscoop thanks. I can relate to hospital HD and focussing the mind. Exactly where I am, which is why I’m so keen to find some purpose when I get out.

Thanks re wedding too. Although she’s been wanting to be married more than me, she was quite annoyed initially that I was now rushing it along for not quite romantic enough reasons!

Thanks DezB and hodgynd!

I’m enjoying a Friday night beer in the kitchen listening to Vince Peach’s show from Australia:
https://www.pbsfm.org.au/soultime, the longest running soul show in the world apparently.

Vince has lived in Aus since the early 80s. Notably though, he’s taken on absolutely zero of the accent and is still 100% Liverpool…

Hello, this is my first post on STW.

Born 1958. In the 1960s at 9/10 years old I was captivated by Motown and other similar music from black (mainly) America. I’m 60 now and RnB/soul music is still my default choice and listening preference. There’s something about it that just gets some people and it got me.

I’ve got it for life – there are others with it too, they can be seen in their 60s and 70s, shuffling round any number of soul nights around the country at the weekends, addicted for the last 50 plus years.

So no – my tastes haven’t changed…