crazy-legs – Member

I’m genuinely interested in how a social ride of 30 riders is more dangerous than a pro-peleton of 198 though?

I can see his point on that one Nick. 30 riders of differing abilities riding as a group on open roads with the occasional idiot failing to call potholes or sprinting off for a road sign or wobbling while looking behind…

I’d prefer to be in a bunch of 198 pros on closed roads, at least you know that everyone else knows what they’re doing!

Edit:

Do you actually have any experience or are you like most just making up things ?

I’m well aware of how pelotons work thanks, I’ve been road racing for 15 years.

So you at least have qualified your abilities, and race I wont ask you to prove it I trust you even though I dont know you. But others make total bollox statements, I’ve ridden up and down a good few of the French cols and ride the Dales on a daily basis, I could say I’ve ridden in 200+ Peletons and ridden with winners of the Tour and the Vuelta. But maybe I’m making that up or do you trust me ?
That said I have descended off Kidstones I think 5 times this year and dont think it any more dangerous than descending the Aubisque which actually scared me at one point, riding at [inst speed you think I travel at] with 2 foot high concrete blocks protecting you from a couple of hundred [OK so it may have only been 150] of foot of vertical drop.

Edit:- BTW in a social ride I always go to the front on a descent as it is the safest place, wouldnt want bringing down at [again insert speed] it hurts.

crazy-legs – Member

however I do know the roads they ride on both here and abroad and there is no significant difference in the danger levels descending them.

I would suggest that there is a very significant difference.

Why ?

Judging by your comments you have never seen a pro peleton descend as they dont descend en mass,
Do you actually have any experience or are you like most just making up things ? Bet you dont even ride a bike, just come on here to argue for the sake of it, is your job that boring

chestrockwell – Member

Surley if any rider is worried they could drop back?

That is what they do, very rare that a road race is won on a descent, lost yes. Being able to descend well can pull you back into the race as many have.
Like most riders the pro teams have good descenders, not sure that Kitell is one of them so would belly ache.

Edit:- people are camping on my land for free, if you know me you’re welcome. Doubt if I’ll get many takers on here though as its obvious no one does.

Seriously? I don’t think people would dispute 198 being “a couple of hundred”, which you said there weren’t.

I think if you were flying in a plane and had fuel for 198 miles and the airport was 200 miles away lots of those on board would be disputing it.
Riding in a social group of 30+ is actually more dangerous than riding in a large peleton.

warton – Member

22 teams, 9 riders a team. 200 riders. are your 30 mates all going flat out, fighting for position, being told by their DS to move up?
it’s laughable when people try to compare themselves to pro riders, and the pro peloton.

You are wrong on so many levels not the least your maths.
22 x 9 = 198
I have never tried comparing myself to the pro peleton.
For one I’m now too old and too heavy/unfit to go uphill at their pace, however I do know the roads they ride on both here and abroad and there is no significant difference in the danger levels descending them.
But I guess you know better

mikewsmith – Member

Dales Rider, did you do them with a couple of hundred mates all trying to go as fast as they can together?

There is less than 200 in a tour, so not a couple of hundred. I ride occasionally with 30+

That aside riding down hill is more dangerous for the average Brit when there are cars on the road, and getting it wrong can have fatal consequences. However in a pro tour the peleton strings out on a descent as there has always been an up before.
I dont thing the roads here are any more dangerous than this….

I ride the stage 1 roads on a regular basis, have done Kidstones twice recently and they are not as scary as some of the Pyrenean descents, the on off the Aubisque is certain death in places, if you get it wrong. Kitell needs to MTFU

hora – Member

I don’t have £1700 spare plus it’d cost more than my car at that price

My very max is £1300.

In that case get a ‘Dale as advised by smelly sox

Neither I’d get this

Walls a problem ?
Biggest danger surely is riding around Winkobank

Do you have a cellar or a shed ?

cinnamon_girl – Member

Not cut and dried then!

BC say dont

Do you have a link please?
On their ride leaders training and My Missus was told on her instructors course not to

BC say dont

So as you say 27.5 I’m guessing you have 650b wheels, is it an upgrade or a new bike ?
Depends what you call a “mincing” gear I run the “Old Fashioned” 26″ wheels and I run a triple 22/32/44 with a road cassette 12-30. Gives me everything to go either slow up hill or fast down.
I tried working all the combinations of doubles on the front and couldn’t find on that gave good ratios and close ratios.
So stuck with the 9 speed triple and put 10 speed cassette and shifter on

Its a bit more than chain rings and cassette
length of cranks
Size of wheels
size of tyres.

Interesting, only time I wear a hat is when skiing and its usually just a beanie.
But I think for me it would be a beret :-)

“Retro”

Padron peppers

All I’d say is the Garmin 800 is a cycling specific computer and GPS which has the addition of being able to use it as a GPS for walking.
The others aren’t.
Garmin 800 £224 at CRC now

Try one they handle most off road as long as you are not hitting rock gardens or drop offs, I do a lot of local [southern Dales] trails on mine, swap out the tyres for slicks and it makes a very good road bike.

truth1 – Member

Why choose another bike dale? These 2 no good for the price?
I thought a large is the right size for 6 foot

Purely because you have chosen on price, and as they are mountain bikes that is what I thought you were looking for, they would be OK for what you later say:-

My main use is riding to work about 10 miles a day which I’ve been doing for 12 years and just bike rides with my wife on weekends and a bit in the forest with friends sometimes but nothing too exciting.

They would be poor for commuting
Me I’d look at a Cross bike for what you want ‘appen.

http://www.paulscycles.co.uk/m7b0s23p5169/CANNONDALE-CAADX-SORA-2013

in a 56

I have the 800 with OS its good but uness you can find it cheap thats an expensive option
I bought my wife an 800 for christmas and put most of europe on an SD card its just as good but only £230

800 and use open source mapping, by far the best and cheapest way

Choose another bike

njee20 – Member

Do you do many UCI races

No but you never know ;-)

Dura Ace pedals would take it below the legal [6.8 kg] race limit, mind would match the group set.
Thinking the Ultegra though for pockets sake.

So I’m going to start looking at Shimano, thanks all.
As for walking up hills, on some I may be faster :(

DT78 – Member

My kheo carbons have been great for 2 seasons 4k miles….maybe you got a duff set?
They are in their 3rd season cleats bought last July have just snapped. done about 15k glad the rest of the bike is lasting more betterer

spacemonkey – Member

Managed to pick up a couple of second hand M&S brown leather sofas on Sat for nearly £3000 less than new Bit of cracking on one of them, but I’ve found the kit to sort that out. Other than that they’re like new.

Cheers guys

Well done :-) They appear to be well made so should last, hoping the ones we bought are the last ones we will need.

http://www.wiggle.co.uk/ridley-x-bow-10-105-1405a-disc-2014/

I’d go for Ridley

It hasnt rained yet but I did cut some more of the hedge.

Did you have a look here
Our two we bought with the 30% off came in at a resonable price, They are well made and comfortble, should be the last sofas I have to buy

Cant be bothered finishing cutting the hedge, and its going to rain.

Lunch break from gardening, must get back to it though as its not a good forecast for tomorrow.
Friday off out, Saturday Sunday and Monday riding Tuesday as wellif the legs will stand it.

Spent many an hour sitting in sofas across the north of England just before Christmas.
Ended up buying from Marks and Sparks,give them a look see.

You should live in Pitlochry, PH18

Why ?

I all ready live in the best spot in the UK :D

Dont would be my advice, I went on line and they came up best price for a camera
Here are a few of their emails that followed-

Thank you for your email.

Our prices change frequently, sometimes even daily, depending on the demand and supply of the products. Please note however that the price that is displayed on the website at the time of placing the order is the price you will be charged.
Not now in stock but give us more money and we will send a different coloured one

In reference to your order placed on 10 Feb 2014 for:

Canon PowerShot S110 (Sliver) Digital Camera

I regret to inform you that it is/they are currently out of stock. Demand for this/these item(s) has exceeded our expectations and our inventory is depleted.

Unfortunately, the next shipment is not expected to arrive within any short period of time. If you need this order sooner, we have the item in black color as well.
Omitted the fact they wanted more money.

They took the money out of the account instantly but took 2 weks to put it back.

mildred – Member

For the past 13 years I’ve been a Police Grade 1 advanced driver trained and authorised in Tactical Pursuit And Containment (TPAC). I’m further trained in anti-hijack, offensive and evasive techniques, VIP & Cat A/Special Escort, though I no longer do this. I do track days as often as I can afford, and my driving is assessed at work on a yearly basis. I’m supposed to set an example, but I’ve no idea if I do; I actually think most drivers are oblivious to everyone else around them and only look at the road they can see just past the end of their bonnets. I have a bee in my bonnet about crap driving, but more about attitudes towards driving. I’ve had to pass more death messages than I want to recall and have seen people at the very bottom of their existences as a result of losing a loved one in one of the most violent and sudden ways to die, due to poor driving.

I’ve found that a lot of people who believe they’re a good driver simply aren’t. They seem to be the ones who are complacent, lazy, and less tolerant of other road users. Real kings of the road..!

Aha a plod, who are never wrong. I wont bother correcting as it would be a complete waste of time.

Even assuming its discs