binners – Member

What if all of the perfectly respectable ladies in the offending calendar were wearing nice evening dresses? How about cardigans? What if they were all over the age of 40? Would that be empowering?

You mean a bit like this

As you stated in your previous post that ‘they’re all at’ but Maxxis is being victimised (boo hoo), but declined to provide any examples of anyone else ‘at it’, when repeatedly asked, so I had a look for you.

Seriously… its fine to just say you just like looking at tits. Just do us the courtesy of not trying to portray it as some matter of principle that should be defended at all costs

Actually binners, I did provide examples and I wasn’t asked repeatedly but you carry on making stuff up if you like.

I’d be lying if I said I didn’t like tits. I don’t think many men and some women would find that especially shocking or unusual. If its such a bad thing to occasionally observe womens breasts perhaps we should impose a dress code?

oh, this is classic from junkyard:

If I bother to explain this to you, not like this is hard, will you insult me again or actually try and comprehend?

Some people really do love to take offence eh.

grum – Member

this is bollocks to be frank. I’m annoyed at the level of censorship it implies. Who are you, Mary Whitehouse?

Please explain how this is censorship. Go on, I’d really love to hear you try and make that case.

Saying you’re ‘annoyed’ by her article – how is that different from the article saying she’s annoyed by Maxxis’ tacky calendar? I don’t remember hearing anyone calling for it to be banned, just pointing out that it’s pretty lame and unhelpful.

OK, seeing as you completely misread what I’m saying I’ll try again.

The censorship is ‘implied’ – i.e. its not explicitly banned but you dont want to see it therefore it shouldn’t be produced therefore it is censorship. Not the article, your comment grum.

You put words in my mouth saying I was offended by Adele’s opinion. I’m, not offended by it. I’m annoyed at the level to which the attitude expressed here would censor a very tame aspect of life.

Its deliberately taking offence to something, whilst not exactly the most classy thing in the world, does no harm and sits in its own rather tacky niche. Why get so bothered by it?

If the issue is

women portrayed as sex objects…

then why chuck your toys out of the pram about Maxxis and noone else? It just shows a level of naivety on the part of the author.

I think cheekymonkey888 got it right.

grum – Member

Some blokes on STW: “You’re wrong! How dare you be offended! I’m offended that you’re offended, but that’s completely different

FTFY

This is bollocks to be frank. I’m annoyed at the level of censorship it implies. Who are you, Mary Whitehouse?

What if all of the perfectly respectable ladies in the offending calendar were wearing nice evening dresses? How about cardigans? What if they were all over the age of 40? Would that be empowering?

The original premise is confused and makes no sense after a little inspection other than as a kind of censorship crusade.

Turnerguy – the CO2 is the same in the atmosphere yes, but it is not destroying an already sequestered and irreplaceable stockpile. THe forests can be regrown in a reasonable timescale i.e. a generation or two. Oil, coal and gas needs several million lifetimes to replace.

That is not to say its not a big issue but it doesn’t affect our impact.

Enough of the strawman, I largely agree with your last post but you seem to be proposing removing subsidies from renewable tech just to give it to the frackers. I’ve seen first hand what cuadrilla’s attitude is and I don’t like it. There is no acknowledgment that everything is different about the fracking proposed here to the US. Environmentally it doesn’t concern me too much other than the fossil fuel aspect.

Why subsidise a dirty non sustainable energy source at the expense of renewable, sustainable technologies?

And to the original point of the article, why under national parks when the vast bulk of reserves are nowhere near them?

Nothing wrong with growing up. Nothing wrong with being adolescent either.

How is it inconsiderate to all women?

Some of the horses ridden round this thread are really very high.

grum – Member

hats the same thing written the other way around! And you make the same point I do – if she is going to be offended by this then she’d better not buy, for example continentals or michelins. I don’t know about the rest but I would imagine you could find something to be upset about if you look hard enough. And thats just tyres. Good luck coping with the rest of life.

It’s funny because you’re clearly pretty ‘upset’ and ‘offended’ about the article she wrote. Good luck coping with the rest of life.

Pardon. I’m not really. It strikes me as a fairly innocuous thing to get upset about. If I’m bothered at all its that someone who can obviously write quite well and has a modicum of intelligence would be so animated about something so trivial and in such a one sided way. Fair enough, point out the inequalities in the sport and ask the question why they feel the need to use scantily clad women to advertise (though the answer is obvious) but why single out Maxxis when they’re all at it?

Its reduced to a shallow piece of forced outrage when she really could have made a decent point. The calendar really isn’t outrageous, offensive or even unusual.

TurnerGuy – Member

We should try to address the things we can do something about and we should target the illness, not the symptoms.

Yes, so why are those Indonesian fires being tolerated – they go on every year although this one is more out of ‘control’.

http://www.greenpeace.org.uk/tags/indonesia

Your ocean seeding plan is stitching up the wound without re-setting the broken bones underneath.

It’s not my plan, people have been researching and thinking about it for year – pretty sure that it was mentioned when I did A level geology 33 years ago (before my geophysics degree).

The simple answer is that they shouldn’t be tolerated, however, most people in the west seem to care more about cheap food rather than how the palm oil which goes into it was produced. To flounce off further along this particular tangent, the CO2 from those fires isn’t fossil. Besides which, it has absolutely **** all to do with how we live in the west.

Geoengineering has been mentioned for a long time, you are right in that at least. Its also been debunked for a long time. If you’re a geologist you should know that.

Back to the topic in hand – fracking could be useful in terms of UK energy security but if it ever came to a point where that was a real concern, I think we’d have far bigger worries. Fracking, oil and the rest is the past. If there is any long term future it has to be sustainable and renewable.

kcr – Member

1 its a bit OTT to suggest that it somehow makes her look bad to use maxxis tyres

She says she feels “stupid”, I assume because she’s riding around prominently displaying the logos of a company which she believes is displaying casual sexism and not taking her seriously as a person. Pretty straightforward. You may disagree with her analysis, but it doesn’t seem an OTT position. I wouldn’t walk around in a Daily Mail t-shirt, because I dislike what they stand for and it would make me feel stupid.

Thats because the primary thing the Daily Mail does is overtly sexist and low brow. The primary thing Maxxis do is sell tyres. Its OK to say the calendar is a bit cheap and crass but it is also OTT to say that it somehow translates across the whole brand and company as some sort of institutional misogyny. Shed be perfectly entitled to feel upset if the pictures were on the tyres, but they’re not.

2 if she is willing to take the position that by using a product she tacitly gives her approval to everything they do, then she’d better be very careful about a lot of other products

I can’t see any part of the article where she takes the position that she is giving tacit approval to everything a company does when she uses their product. In fact, I think the whole article is about explicit disapproval of something a company has done, isn’t it?
Why should she be careful about other companies? If she doesn’t like something another company does, she’s free to complain about it in the same way.

Thats the same thing written the other way around! And you make the same point I do – if she is going to be offended by this then she’d better not buy, for example continentals or michelins. I don’t know about the rest but I would imagine you could find something to be upset about if you look hard enough. And thats just tyres. Good luck coping with the rest of life.

Yes its a crass, cheap calendar. Don’t buy it then.

kcr – its not a bad article but there are a couple of things wrong with it in my opinion.

1 its a bit OTT to suggest that it somehow makes her look bad to use maxxis tyres
2 if she is willing to take the position that by using a product she tacitly gives her approval to everything they do, then she’d better be very careful about a lot of other products

Yes binners, funnily enough we can all be judgmental.

Profoundly depressing? Why?

As the father of one young daughter, this is one of the most irrelevant threads to her life I can imagine. Or am I not qualified enough for an opinion?

Turnerguy – ever heard of the law of unintended consequences?

Its just storing up more problems for later on.

Except that natural events are doing this stuff all the time – volcanic eruptions for example.

Or the massive fires in Indonesia which is chucking out loads of co/2 but it people don’t seem fussed about, a lot less fussed than about VW.

It is almost certainly the greatest environmental disaster of the 21st century – so far.

it is currently producing more carbon dioxide than the US economy. And in three weeks the fires have released more CO2 than the annual emissions of Germany.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/oct/30/indonesia-fires-disaster-21st-century-world-media

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-35109393

A little bit pointless having these global agreements but letting something like this happen.

Well volcanic eruptions we can do nothing about and they have two effects – 1 immediate cooling due to high level aerosols and 2 long term warmer due to increased CO2.

We should try to address the things we can do something about and we should target the illness, not the symptoms. Your ocean seeding plan is stitching up the wound without re-setting the broken bones underneath.

I would also be very worried about some possible natural disasters which might just be manageable on their own but will completely floor us if the world is already 2 deg C warmer than it would otherwise have been.

Junkyard – lazarus
cheers hammy for the link
cumberlanddan » Why single out criticism for Maxxis and not Continental, Michelin and more than likely all the rest. At least this calendar is for charity.
This attitude that having a calendar like this somehow says the company doesn’t value women is a strange idea. I think it says more about the holder of the opinion then the company in question.
TBH I dont GAS what you think
They are being singled out as they are the only one being discussed I am happy to generalise and say all sexist calendars are sexist. I am not sure why i need to do this but you must think more of me now that i have stated the obvious a d that means the world to me
do you miss the 70’s?

If I was going to make a point about being easily offended…

So, let’s take this to the (il)logical conclusion, boycott Maxxis, despite the fact that every other tyre manufacturer does essentially the same thing. Bit pointless and futile no?

Funnily enough, I don’t miss the 70s because I wasn’t born til the next decade.

Why single out criticism for Maxxis and not Continental, Michelin and more than likely all the rest. At least this calendar is for charity.

This attitude that having a calendar like this somehow says the company doesn’t value women is a strange idea. I think it says more about the holder of the opinion then the company in question.

Turnerguy – ever heard of the law of unintended consequences?

Its just storing up more problems for later on.

The people that were once ‘deniers’ seem to have changed tune in the face of growing evidence and now advocate climate engineering whilst simultaneously implying that there is no problem anyway. Ostriches sticking their heads in the sand and unfortunately we seem to have a government full of the bastards.

If anyone can be bothered to look, and I certainly can’t i’m pretty sure you’ll find ‘girls’ branded up in skin tight clothing for any purveyor of goods to the motor industry, not just Maxxis. Pit lanes, podiums, serving drinks etc. I’m pretty sure Maxis don’t deserve to be singled out for it.

EDIT – **** links….
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=continental-girls

Its not a commercial product. Its a charity calendar, as I understand it.

Obviously Maxxis imagine that the exposure the brand gets is worth the cost of production.

May as well have taken out a full page add in Readers Wives the way some are reacting…

Northwind makes a good point.

Turnerguy is somewhere I dont want to follow. Seeing as we’ve **** up the air, lets **** up the water too? Strange logic.

Not really but then, speaking as a geologist, I don’t think much will ever come of it anyway.

Completely different situation in the UK to the US and fracking can only be viable with subsidy, Carbon Capture and Storage (subsidy by another name) or a very high oil price.

The only one which looks likely with this rabble in charge is a direct subsidy, which even they wouldn’t go for!

Stupid decision though as it makes a mockery of national park status. It would be foolish to expect better.

They’re not topless.

It’s Hooters-lite!

Does it really matter? What a pointless thing to get excited about. You can buy and use their tyres without looking at their calendar you know.

Do the author, or indeed anyone else ‘offended’ apply the same logic to every other aspect of their life? For example – never watch or read anything put out by Rupert Murdoch because there was some tits in the Sun once.

I believe Amazon probably sells some fairly racy ‘objectifying’ tat too so presumably you never use their services. Local newsagents and garages, not to mention supermarkets, have been known to sell some ‘interesting’ magazines so presumably you only shop at local specialist gender, race and LGBT friendly shops with an independently audited equality policy.

Pathetic- both the calendar and the reaction to it.

Ha. Torpenhow. Just make sure you don’t pronounce it like its written.

Penrith to Carlisle commute isn’t very hard, the motorway is considerably less hassle then further darn sarf and Penrith is a good little town really – speaking as someone who grew up there.

Not convinced by Wigton but not had much to do with it personally. I’d definitely be aiming closer to the hills or motorway depending on needs!

xiaomi redmi 2. Just make sure to get the 2gb ram version. About £100 but does the job nicely.

Ahh, those ten a penny Starlings…

You mean the ones on the Red List??

Granted they’re still reasonably common but you shouldn’t be complacent eh.

Most exciting thing we get in our garden is a Coal Tit.

GArmin Edge 200 works fine on Linux the same way pdw suggests. No hassle really. Google stuff all works through the browser doesn’t it?

Just try it all out on your current linux setup and if it seems good go for it.

My commute has been into Buxton for the last few years, originally from Glossop direction but more recently over Long Hill so not massive volumes of traffic but interesting enough roads to create some entertaining situations. Speed limit on long hill is 50 but most days you get some plank who thinks everyone should be doing at least 60 at all times, invariably leading to ‘conflict’ with shit overtakes round blind corners, which for the most part come to nothing. Anyway, they resurfaced the road a year or two back so no road markings for a month or two and the standard of driving was hugely improved.

As soon as the markings were back, normal service resumed.

What the exact reason for it is I don’t know but I reckon the better markings make it feel like a ‘proper’ road to some and all common sense goes out the window.

So thats another vote for removal of markings, especially the centre line, on rural roads.

You can keep them on the dual carriageway mind…

I was caught out by the Met Office this morning. Dry morning, rain afternoon was the prediction. Cloudy at home but dry so I set off – half way up long hill the drizzle starts. Proper wet I got too. Comparatively nice in Buxton now so I am another disgruntled ‘customer’.

Meh.

I cant believe its got this far and no one seems to have noticed that the car didn’t even wait at the junction. Barely slowed for it in fact. I expect that the diver didn’t even see then bike let alone the signal so regardless of the rights and wrongs of a child’s hand signal, the car driver is entirely wrong. Had they slowed properly for the junction, the bikes would have been that bit further up the road and a they would have to have stopped or mowed them down.

Its whats know as careless driving and it usually ends up as a SMIDSY.

Had something very similar recently tried all sorts of nonsense, loads of brute force attacks and a week or so of soakings in various potions and nothing worked until i got hold of some WD40 penetrating spray – proper stuff not standard WD40. Had it free within a couple of hours.

Fun game.

different thread but strangely familiar arguments

Is there a STRAVA for horses?

:lol:

Horse riders can do what they want but I do take objection to some of the entitled ahem people round my way who complain about my bike lights scaring their precious horses, despite the fact that I’ve reduced my speed to a complete crawl as serenely trundle past.

I don’t want to scare an’orse and I dont want to be on the receiving end of one’s ire but if they’re that easily spooked they really shoudln’t be allowed to play out.

As for the original post, I’m surprised so many ‘motorists’ are whinging as my experience is more as has been pointed out already – much more tolerance for horses than bikes.

Cars make people go nuts for some unfathomable reason. Don’t think that will ever change.

This is my regular training ride average commute.

I aim for a steady 35mph whilst asleep.

Can we rename this thread “how to win friends and influence people” please?

If you never intended to claim to average 20mph why were you digging up examples from Strava to try and prove just that?

How can you not see the difference between a five mile plod to work and a 100mile sportive?

And it was so nearly over…

You’re discrediting yourself! No one really gives a shit what times you can or can’t do, when you look back at the original point of the thread, your averages, as some sort of self proclaimed semi-pro, are completely irrelevant.

Trouble is, you’ve come across as more than a bit patronising and that has a tendency to irk some folk. And still you won’t put your spade away…

I reckon a psychiatrist would have a field day with Gatsby. For someone so adamant about their own capabilities and with such an easy tool at their disposal (Strava) to prove it, there is a damning lack of evidence.

An admirable quantity of hot air and bluster for no conceivable benefit. What would the internet be without him eh?

To be fair, I’ve found it highly entertaining. mtbel’s ‘contribution’ is a little confusing though.

FWIW i’m quite happy with 12mph whatever bike i’m on :lol:

The one at Braithwaite is pretty nice and flat but for a bit more wilderness there’s a good few up Borrowdale. The one just past Rosthwaite which give you two pubs to go at! Remember camping there around this time of year a few years ago and it was bloody cold though.

Went to the Old Hall last weekend but it was under some sort of renovation so everything was done from the pub next door (the Papermill). Well worth a look but I’d check whats happening before you go – its likely to be busy.

The Lamb just up the road towards Hayfield is superb on a hot day too.

As for Buxton itself, don’t bother!

No, nowhere. Nowhere at all.

Its well argued roverpig and well stated.

I’m not quite sure what you mean by your post squoglybob. I think you’re trying to say that if you ride an expensive bike you’re automatically a ****? Am I right?