Interesting point Mike, I’m not sure about that one other than for when you are just plugging geometry into the manufacturers design though – If you change aspects of the design in terms of gussets, dropout type, travel, kinematics etc beyond their original design then I think its upto the designing company to ensure everything is OK.

That’s just the worst case scenario though and as you say, in the case of Sick it looks like the people actually making the bikes wouldn’t supply anything if it was dangerous but if the bike rides like crap because of geo that doesn’t work together, poor kinematics or flex etc who is to blame then, certainly not the manufacturer.

Some people think a frame needs a good year of use (in terms of riding time) plus testing certs before it should be publicly available, in the case of a FS frame, I have to agree.

Ah OK, ISO to me is an approval system for manufacturing standards, I always associated bicycle frame testing with CEN.

As I say, sick are so transparent with their business and take every opportunity to show cool bits of manufacturing including 3D printing factory visit etc.

I’m sure if they had actually been near a lab they would have blasted it on social media, especially as an answer to this forum thread which was brought up on Instagram by then – it would have immediately shut down any suggestions of making bikes with no testing and been a giant middle finger to the ‘haters’

As I say, you are suggesting they test frames for each design when they sell them tiny numbers? UK frames, Ti frames, frames from Peru, all tested before production? Pretty much impossible when the frames are all on pre order and the first ones to arrive in the UK are paying customers, no?

As I say, not trying to be a ‘hater’ it’s just that there is a reason other brands don’t operate this business model, and it’s not because of a lack of board rooms or the because of their new school thinking.

I think that £550 single pivot is a bargain, if they can prove some longevity and get some demo bikes going I might even be a customer myself, they just need to take their time a bit.

Jamesco – what does ‘pass ISO’ mean? genuine question – my perception of ISO is a guideline for manufacuring standards not product design or testing?

I would be genuinely surprised if any of the frames have been near lab testing in any way – selling batches of 5-10 frames of any type how could you? Profit would be wiped out on the whole run for lab costs for a start and there are about 10 models minimum.

teethgrinder – why is any form of comment that is anything but out and out praise ‘hate’?

I don’t ‘hate’ sick or their bikes one little bit, I have written my personal opinion, I’m not just sitting saying ‘looks crap’.

As I said, I’m sure their HT’ frames are perfectly capable of all kinds of abuse, I’m not sure anybody is questioning that.

Have Blue MK2 however – are you ‘OK’ with purchasing a pre-order Ti frame that is a new design and by their own admission doesn’t exist yet? – The MK1 was a Ti front end with an open source carbon swingarm anyone can get from Taiwan for $200 and an open source suspension system including the linkages, the new one will apparently use a full TI swingarm too – will that work out OK?

I’m not saying it wont, I’m asking a question, that’s all.

I think ‘testing’ / a genuine product development cycle is something that isn’t perhaps done to the same level as other brands –  The use of the hardtails by the team isn’t really applicable as the are UK made frames to different designs, different materials, different dropouts etc – essentially different things entirely.

They are very transparent with things there and bikes do seem to be ordered from manufacturers (UK, Taiwan and Marino in Peru) based on the manufacturers rough design but with their geometry (OS dropouts etc) – That’s fine but there isn’t any kind of actual real world testing that seems to be getting done before sale on new models – how can there be when you the customer are pre-ordering bikes and their own personal frames are not built up yet – you are getting them at the same time.

They did come back to this thread on social media as stated here but just how can you test a frame that was designed a few weeks earlier?

As I say, people like Cy at Cotic put months and months into his designs under several different riders, working out small issues (or potentially large ones when you are talking about full suspension frames) and refining things until they are production ready – same for Stanton’s new frame.

I would happily buy a hardtail frame from them if I liked the geo – after all the guys making them will do so to their own standards so unlikely to be any issues, basically like you ordering a custom geo frame yourself (Sicks geo) full suspension however, that’s a different thing entirely.

I have completely lost track of all of the bikes and names they have now, there are loads but it does seem they have stalled on the genuinely interesting bikes they teased – the gearbox high pivot and the single pivot with a link and glued aluminium CNC rear end but I expect actual manufacturing costs came back a lot higher than expected there which has kind of forced that one.

It would be good to see them focus on 4-5 frames, a few hardtails and some simple, well tested full sus options – their target market wants something different after all, but maybe not a £2500 titanium suspension frame on pre-order before one has ever seen soil to be tested.

If it does indeed turn out to be Novichok then there are only two real scenarios –

– Its a russian state sponsored kill and middle finger to the rest of the world, they want other agents to know they can be got to wherever they are and that they dont give a crap about the intervention from other governements, that or its just an act of ‘strength’ from Putin.

– Its bullcrap, it wasnt the Russians state but a rogue party / annexed area / other government outside of Russia intent on causing trouble.

However, Corbyn is behaving more like the adult in the room here, without verifiable proof its mental to take action – nobody imprisons a person for murder before a trial and ‘proof’.

Not sure where I stand, if we are to believe news Putin is a crook, his associates are crooks, Russia are rolling back to older more nationalist times and are acting to mess with other countries as much as possible via non typical means – hacking etc and now supposedly this – it does fit the narrative.

I will personally not believe anything until its verified though, anyone remember those weapons of mass destruction…..

They produce a product fairly similar to Cotic but are polar opposites in the development for product – just listened to SI’s podcast where he talks about long term testing and refinement before sale – SICKs bikes won’t be unsafe as they use builders that know their stuff but they do seem to lack direction at the moment flitting from frame to frame and ditching designs all over the shop when realities seem to hit home (glued cnc aluminium swingarm etc) regarding potential costs of the actual requirement for the product to go through a realistic development cycle.

Brant – I’m not sure where you get the info from but the ‘front men’ have almost zero applicable engineering experience, they get a guy to do drawings / 3D work for them, thats fine though, a business needs people to cover roles and they do the job of marketing and branding well.

I would buy a hardtail, I wouldn’t buy a fs though – pre selling a full TI frame when they don’t even have a sample isn’t a great idea.

im sure they will calm down, reduce that ultra complicated list of frames to a realistic range and crack on with things when they realise it’s the simple / niche stuff people want from them.

Oh, and the usual screendump from this forum is up on Sicks instagram now – you guys are ‘famous’…..

I think you have dredged up an old model – this is the one I have:

The one I have /can see on their website is nothing like the Superstar one.

looks like they changed designs.

Not saying there is anything wrong with SS rings, though I’m not a fan of how the spiderless rings look I’m sure they perform well – just putting out other options, Works also do boost GXP rings, got one on my own bike in fact.

I am just happy to have options aside from stuff like absolute black etc with their pretentious marketing and pricing I go with it.

After checking, it does appear that the price is a lot lower as things have crept up since the year or two ago since I looked at one – They are £2040 without shock for the UK made model so probably about £450-£500 cheaper when you take the shock into account.

Its about the same price as a transition sentinel now which I suppose is a comparable bike, I do prefer the Starling though.

To be fair, there has not been a month go by lately that SS are not running some kind of sale, I imagine nobody buys at thing from them at RRP unless desperate.

I wish they still sold pads, apart from pedals they dont have anythign else of interest to me anymore….

Poopscoop – Works chainrings RRP are about 22 quid last time I checked and no need to pad the order out, same made in the UK blurb too (if that matters when you are talking about chainrings)

I have briefly ridden one with a 150mm fork and -1.5 degree works headset and liked it – there was certainly nothing ‘wierd’ about how it rode but could maybe get you into trouble that the back end wouldnt be able to cope with as well as a longer travel bike.

I know Lars at Transition ran a 160mm fork with an angle headset on his with a coil shock, but he isnt exactly your typical rider.

Personally, I would go for a 140mm fork and the angle headset but it depends on what kind of riding you are doing on the bike – I wouldnt want a bike with a head angle steeper than 66 degrees unless it was an XC hardtail.

At least the reply was polite, they should let David deal with their FB replies too.

Pretty much identical to the Wolf Tooth one really which has been out for well over a year now…

Looks nice, not for me though, I get a year (so do most I ride with) from a standard alloy ring and at SS discount / Works pricing of £20-£25 it’s a hell of a lot more expensive.

Seems like a fair bit of effort to take things back in time for minimal gain / to solve an invented problem – I’m sure high milers may approve though, but how many people really get through rings (I’m jealous if you do get out enough)

Along the lines of what Somafunk has stated, my ‘worry’ about brexit is that it will open the gates to the USA getting involved in our NHS and food supply which is quite a horrible thought and I can see being totally irreversible.

As everybody knows, the health industry is a fantastic way to make money and I am sure there are companies out there that will be climbing over each other to take one of the services away from NHS control – as we know from past scandals involving companies like G4s it wont benefit the end user either.

Same with food, I do not want any more food from the USA winding its way up here – things like synthetic growth hormone in meat, arsenic, bleached chicken and the much loved by the US high fructose corn syrup.

However much I would like to see brexit ‘reversed’ I understand it is more than likely going to take place, I just wish the govt (inc labour) had more direction and a better handle of the ‘facts’, I also wish that individuals such as Mogg and Gove were not involved, one is a snake, the other medieval.

Usual story though – the ‘elites’ (crap term I Know) dont use the NHS, dont buy the crap we eat, dont have the same relationship with money that we do so why do they care – With drastic change comes huge business opportunity.

When are Uberbike, Superstar and On-One not having a sale? Does anybody buy their stuff anymore at RRP or just wait a week or so until the next 25% off sale – Superstar have another one one now, no pads anymore though, for good apparently.

“Not really sure why other companies ask three times the price for these parts”

– Uberbike buy from the manufacturer and sell directly to you – those other companies buy in / make, then sell to a distributor, then to a shop – more peoples need more profits.

whatyadoinsucka – Member
Every time I think I’d like an Audi, Mercedes or bmw I read the local Facebook pages and burglary always seems rife with these cars in the driveway.. stolen to order ?

Definately puts me off ,

It might put me off an S3 or RS model but I wouldn’t worry too much about cars like the A6, I think they are lovely cars but thieves are generally targeting the ‘faster’ models, apparently to use in other crimes – same with BMW’s

That’s not to say all models are not nicked as a scirocco was stolen from a friend on Facebook a few days ago, big standard 14 plate, keys taken from the house – so I think the best think to do is be aware of it, take precautions but not worry too much with more ‘normal’ models – depends on your area a lot too.

dantsw13 – Member

My original quote from Audi was for a 1.8 Petrol A6,

The current A6 looks like a lovely motor but over £18k sounds like an awful lot of money to drive a FWD 1.8 car for 4 years.

Will you get much in the way of benefits over other brands at this level, other than the brands percieved status if that kind of thing bothers you?

neverbeentomoab – Member

Very tempted.got a Santa Cruz at the minute and like vpp system.

Make sure to give whatever Santa Cruz you are looking into a test-ride, some of the VPP bikes ride completely differently to others as the kinematics are not the same.

It is not so much a system, more a marketing term.

P-Jay – Member

I’m not sure there’s much to dislike, they share their suspension design with Santa Cruz who most people cream over, if you’re into ‘the History of the sport’ few other brands have the same pedigree- I mean they invented the modern DH bike and brought Palmer into the sport.

They moved away from the Santa Cruz VPP a few years ago now as the patent is expired, the current system is their own version.

shooterman – Member

Be careful where you buy from.

They are a direct-sale company now?

I feel sorry for anybody who purchased an intense at retail just before the price hammering though – Their bike is essentially worth a fraction of what it was before on the used market.

Hope however refunded its customers when they dropped pricing.

Am I? He suggested seeing the GP and would suggest AA if he ‘fit’ – that’s my understanding anyway.

It was also a response to the general attitude of assigining anyone with a minor drink problem an alcoholic.

squirrelking – Member

AA won’t want to know, you’re not the right fit. However, go and speak to your GP and they will be able to refer you to an alcohol councillor. My friend cleared all the booze out their house (most of it to mine!) and has been teetotal since. They can drink, they are allowed to drink but they would just rather not as, like yourself, they didn’t know when to stop.

Seriously? I think the OP should attempt to make changes to his lifestyle on his own first, then if he is unable to make those changes stick perhaps seek help.

You think someone that binge drinks on the weekend should go to AA? – A close member of my OH’s family is a ‘real’ alcholic, not what people describe on here that think they drink too much, binge on weekends or have 3 pints a night.

He drinks 3 bottles of wine a night, plus beer, he drinks whisky by the litre bottle (in a night), he drinks in the day, he retired early because of it, he couldnt drive to work because of it.
He has now changed colour, has pissed blood, cant drive anywhere, forgets almost every conversation he has and repeats the same story over and over again. His life is OVER, his family have tried to get him to AA, he wont go, GP, he wont go, tried blackmail, getting angry, not visiting him, nothing works so its now an impossible situation.

There are people with drink problems and issues, and alcoholics, try not to confuse the two.

Safe from what, ze germans?

Seriously though, Its a pretty well used car-park, no real issues to speak of from anybody I know that goes there regularly other than the odd pervert but as you are going on one of the busiest riding days of the week that wont be a problem – There may even be a dig day on this weekend there (not sure if its Sat or Sunday) so people will also be there for that.

I’m sorry, I genuinely cant tell what it is meant to be other than a kind of ‘bracelet’ design of sorts.

If it is meant to be a tyre, I cant get its perspective, there are knobblies all over the side, top, everywhere…

Who cares though, its your body, your tattoo, if you think its good that’s all that matters.

Marin – Member

5plusn8 gets it. Silly offers never offend me if not done aggressively you just say no thanks. If it takes 50 offers to get to the price you or they want so be it. No need to throw the rattle out the pram.

Not everybody is the same though, as I say, my friend made some silly (in the ballpark still) offers for a house and proceeded to up them in increments resulting in the agent not taking or returning his calls and the house being sold on shortly afterwards.

Its essentially a lottery as to how you will be received if you go down this route – you could win big and bag the house for a great price, you could also piss the owner / agent off or just lose out to somebody willing to play closer to the asking price.

I think the real question should be, how much do you want it?

gt56 – Member

I’m no car expert, but is it really possible to drive to morzine on one tank of diesel??! Mind blown. Forgive my motoring ignorance

Driven to Chamonix which isnt far away on on tank in the van, you can stuff over £100 of diesel in it mind….

As for people like oldtalent, it doesnt really matter if they want electric or not, they wont have any other choice at a point in the not too distant future.

5plusn8 – Member

They normally ask then what our budget is, we tell them our bottom end.
Then if we have got it wrong, we hear nothing, but if we are right they will come back with a better quote. It is about reversing the psychology. We are not probing to find out how low we can go.

Is this before or after you tell them you are an investor / Multi millionaire or that the house is too expensive because of the economy is about to go bust?

5plusn8 – Member 

Re: how much do we want it? It’s nice, would suit our needs for a long time, needs nothing doing to it (subject to inspection…) But, there are others about.

Only time pressure is our lease is up in July.
But that said, we’ll have to break our rental contract at not insignificant cost, so the longer we leave it the better until July starts getting close.

I would be tempted to follow my approach on a couple of likelies then and see how it goes. If the market is increasing slowly can you save deposit faster than its increasing?
If not then I would be tend to be less aggressive, if yes and you are happy where you are then pin them down hard.

I agree with taking the approach, just minus the lies, stories, invented personalities and other such behaviour that the agent will see right through anyway just as you confess to see right through them when they behave in exactly that way towards you.

ghostlymachine – Member 

But still, no one wants to buy a house that needs a fortune spending on it. Even if the location is *really* good.

I don’t think anyone wants to pay market value for a house in good condition for a house that needs work, no, but if that’s the case it isn’t being advertised at market value anyway.

There are shed loads of people after houses that need work, they just expect them to be priced accordingly to the work required.

somtam – Member 
I assumed that it would be ready to go from the box just like me son’s bike bought on the same day was. Bought from the same supplier.
At no point were there any warning labels saying it should be checked at by a bike shop. This is my first bike in years and I thought it should be good to go.

Some suppliers advertise the fact that they provide a fully set-up bike out of the box with just the bars being turned, others however (most others in my experience, which is a lot as I spent 3 years in a shop) basically need to be completely checked – How was it delivered? Did you assemble anything yourself?

In my opinion, unless stated by the supplier, you should inspect any new bike from the box and expect it to require some form of setup – Did you consult the owners manual before use? I imagine the information is all in there – you cant expect a dirty great big warning sticker.

See what the supplier says but most likely you are just making an issue from nothing, yank the chain out, check mech hanger alignment and adjust the limit screw and you will probably be good to go – who hasn’t had the chain jump over the back of the cassette while setting it up at some point?

5plusn8 – Member 
I think buying houses makes folk lose their heads (not accusing you Zokes). Just stick to rules you would use when bartering. I do some contract negs at work and these are my rules.
0) It is a game. But there are no rules. Other than the agent/otherparty is probably lying through their teeth to get you to up your price.
1) Make them think you are only mildly interested. EG do not let yourself or partner gush over the property in front of agent.
Otherwise he knows you want it bad and will push you.
2) If you can- be prepared to walk away, with many work contracts, cars and bikes and one house, I walked hard and got them to roll over. If you can’t then pretend at least..
3) Go low, give solid reasons as to why price should be reduced, use the terrible state of the economy. eg if its booming, then its about to bust everything is overpriced and all the economists agree. If the economy is in a state in your region, well then that’s easy.. However, do not let them talk you out of your reasons, say “oh I appreciate what you say, thanks for the advice but I do not agree”
4) Make them think you have good finances and are considering other places (don’t tell them what other places, its confidential the other houses you are looking at) – make comparisons to the other places and tell them the other one is winning..
5) Do not be afraid by the “other higher offer” it is likely fictional and even at a lower price you are a better bet for the vendor as you are massively solvent.
6) balance the impression of solvency against not letting them know how much you have got, or got access to, as the agent will aim to get his hands on this.
7) Do not let them know it is your first rodeo. Pretend to be an investor or have been a multi property millionaire in the UK before you came to convict land.
8 ) Did I mention agents are liars?
9) Don’t blame me if the house of your dreams slips through your fingers..

And after you are finished playing psychological games with people, constructing strange alter-ego’s and personalities and lose the house you want to people willing to pay for it and express genuine interest you will probably come back to the real-world.

Not being too harsh, a lot of it is true about the games agents play, the lies they tell etc but if there are 5 people after the house you like pissing about will only achieve one thing, same as anything in life, a good friend of mine lost out on his dream house doing just this.

I’m not sure if a british based MTB forum is the best place to ask for advice regarding buying a house in Australia…..

I hope all of that lovely weather becomes tiresome…. not jealous much.

Northwind – Member 

chiefgrooveguru – Member

I’m pretty certain that any design which manages 100% antisquat with zero pedal kickback will feel the same when pedalling through the rough as no antisquat, bar the reduced bobbing of the former. Anti-squat doesn’t lock suspension up, it balances out forces to remove unwanted motion. The way you perceive the negative effect of antisquat is through kickback

I don’t think this is true- I’m perceiving the negative impact of antisquat as changes in suspension reaction (not locking out, just reacting less well when there’s also force coming through the pedals/chain). Kickback in itself doesn’t bother me, it’s easy to filter out/adapt to. I got a chance to speak to a couple of pro racers with the same bike as me and they considered it an acceptable compromise for better pedalling, which I can definitely understand- It’s totally possible it made me faster but I’m not a pro so I couldn’t care less.
I don’t think the bike has any way of distinguishing between me pushing it down (bob) and the ground pushing it up. I’ve not ridden any idler bikes so perhaps that changes it but for normal bikes I’m pretty comfortable that this is the case.

I think you need to read up on anti-squat, what it does and how – you are referring to suspension ‘locking out’ and cant see the difference between bump input and the movement of the riders mass causing a suspension reaction so you are pretty far off the mark, also 100% anti squat is not considered high, I’m not sure if this figure is throwing you off maybe?

You will notice Norco have moved to an idler / high pivot system as Sam did not like the higher anti squat design used on the previous DH bike so experimented with an idler to reduce it, by moving to the idler / high pivot system they now have likely similar anti squat as the previous bike (due to the higher com of of the high pivot) but pedal feedback is now isolated, win win.

I also challenge you to find a very high or very low anti-squat modern bike, literally all manufacturers aim for at least 100% at sag, that Alpine you used as an example has 140% anti squat at 50mm of travel, it actually gets higher further into the stroke….. DW link bikes are very nice in this regard as I say having 100% until 3/4 of the bikes travel then dropping steeply to remove pedal feedback on hard hits.

From what I have read in a trade mag Hope are selling the bikes as quickly as they can make them at the moment – Maybe the dealers are bugging them for bikes and they cant deliver so they are increasing production capability, the article did also say how they are planning to build more space and that they have spent 1.5mil per year for the last few years on new machinery – Hope sound like they are flying.

I did read the 1/2 a mill figure quoted for frame development but remember they have probably received a 150% tax reduction on this amount as there is currently an R&D tax incentive for manufacturers developing new in-house techniques they cannot easily obtain elsewhere / buy off the shelf, an in-house UK carbon frame development fits into that quite nicely.

Northwind –

People often think a single pivots suspension ‘locks up’ while multi link bikes do not and many do believe they ‘jack’ I have spoken to enough that do. Anti rise is not as simple as single v multi link bikes, many have very similar braking performance.

Onto anti-squat, I think your incorrect, there is indeed an optimum amount of anti squat and it can be mathematically described. Perfection would be a level of anti squat that precisely counteracts mass transfer and therefore the suspension system is entirely bob-free. (that is a mathematical model though, the system is not this simple) This would however cause pedal kickback issues which is where the compromise is introduced but in terms of its actual value, I am sorry but you are incorrect there, its one of the reasons I love the antidote design, just over 100% anti squat throughout travel and almost zero pedal kickback due to the idler.

As usual with any suspension system based discussion a huge amount of incorrect information and poorly formed opinion is put out as fact.

There are a number of factors that will determine the performance of a suspension system and despite how much many will argue otherwise a single pivot can offer very similar performance in almost every area if engineered correctly (read similar) People say ‘I prefer XXX suspension to XXX, it feels ‘plusher’ etc? – I imagine a lot of these comments come from people who cannot genuinely set a rear shock correctly or are drawing comparison from very old to new designs, different shock standards / spring rates etc.

In reality, there are a number of factors that used to determine suspension performance (aside from reliability, shock side loading, frame stiffness etc which is a different issue entirely)

– Anti Squat; when we all used 3×9 single pivot or IC location for multi pivots was a compromise to optimise anti squat between the varying potential chain locations. Now we all use 1x systems this has been optimised and a single pivot can attain high levels of anti squat which does not drop too much throughout travel.
The multi-pivot approach here allows tuning of the bikes IC position to give a desired level of anti squat at different points in the bikes travel. e.g. DW does this to great effect his bikes obtain around / a little over 100% anti squat until late into the travel when it drops dramatically thus reducing pedal feedback later into the bikes travel, something single pivots cannot do and therefore may feel a little ‘harsh’ later into the travel.The ‘harsh’ feeling is caused by ‘pedal kickback’ which is only really removed by bb concentric designs or high pivots and concentric idlers, the former having terrible anti-squat so only good for a slopestyle bike and the latter having packaging / marketing issues for many. Don’t be fooled though as many multi link bikes have very average anti-squat values / curves – almost identical to single pivots, so no benefit there

– Anti Rise; The whole ‘brake jack’ myth – Modern bikes do not ‘jack’ or extend under braking, they compress, again multi pivot bikes offer a greater ability to tune this effect but many many multi link bikes are hardly better than modern single pivots (starling etc) Now of course this can make the bike feel harsh under braking / cause a loss of traction but you can use it to your advantage by setting the bike into its travel before steep corners and it helps to counter some of the forward pitch in mass under braking that will naturally remove weight from the rear suspension – Nobody liked floating brakes whey they were experimented with years ago, Fabian actually used one to increase brake squat.

Leverage ratio – Suspension leverage ratio can be tuned much more effectively by using linkages than a simple single pivot. But yet again, what do you want to see here? Personally I like a linear progressive system, early VPP digressive – linear – progressive systems were pretty horrible imho and I wont buy any bike with a strange ‘shape’ to its suspension curve, I want a predictable, progressive bike that can provide easy adjustment via the shock – Funnily enough Santa Cruz and others agree, look at the new lower link driven Nomad, its leverage curve is linear progressive now, nothing like the previous ‘n’ shaped curve which caused fast riders to dislike the bike.

Before people jump on a bikes design to praise or criticise remember that there are a huge number of variables available to the designer. Ruling out single pivot A because you tried one years ago / a different brand is foolish, so is buying a multi link bike because you liked your last one – there are many many multi link bikes that have horrendous characteristics by design (Norco with 150% anti squat throughout travel, older oranges with pivots that are too high leading to huge anti squat and pedal feedback, older SC / Intense with bizarre leverage curves and suspension so progressive they are almost impossible to see full travel)

Nowdays most bikes are pretty damn good, designers are in the ballpark and there are not many completely terrible bikes – Choose what you like but at least do it with your eyes open rather than believing the marketing hype.

After that rant, my choice for a suspension system would be a 160mm version of the antidote darkmatter with a slightly lower pivot position, it has brilliant anti-squat throughout its travel and due to the idler you get zero pedal kickback, it has better than most braking performance and a very nice leverage curve, it isn’t a single pivot.

Rant over, I needed something to do while I mope around with man-flu.

So what I take from many of this opinions in this thread are:

– If anybody breaks the speed limit at any point they are a self entitled maniac with no social conscience – apparently this can even be back-dated to when a speed limit was higher on a certain road.

– Advanced driver training is useless.

– Some people label their (what I assume to be?) ‘other half’ as madame (WFT?) and they drive at a glacial pace but thats good as it helps one to sleep on a long journey.

– There are a lot of frightened drivers out there who have very little confidence / abiliy (delete where appropriate) behind the wheel but thats OK because if they are under the speed limit there is no risk to anybody else.

I am thankful that the people of the STW forum make up a very tiny percentage of the population, but then every car related thread takes a predictable tone on here in the same way that every cyclist thread does on somewhere like pistonheads.

molgrips – Member

if a road is re-classified to a lower speed limit, does that mean you are now some kind of speeding maniac? Does it mean that when you previously travelled down there that it was unsafe to do so?

Quite possibly yes. But the acceptable speed has just changed, so deal with it. Imagine if everyone was doing the same speed, how much easier woudl traffic flow?

Im not even sure how to respond to that jibberish, yea but no but yea?

funkmasterp – Member

And you are completely sure that whatever happened was due to you travelling at slightly above the speed limit rather than other factors?

My brother was killed by somebody making progress, 34 in a 30. If he had been travelling at 30 or below the angle that my brothers head hit the car would’ve been different. According to an expert witness the speed difference would have meant he’d still be alive today. So yeah, pretty sure on that one

Well shit, I am genuinely sorry to hear that – It certainly explains your opinion regarding speeding as there is genuine reason behind it.

I wont pass any comment on the accident that killed your brother as that would be completely unfair to do so, 30mph zones are there for a reason and I think completely exempt from the discussion here which started about motorway driving – Only somebody that is deranged would argue otherwise and I will be happy to see more 20mph zones around schools.