Probably been responsable for a few divorces… :lol:

One for all the sand haterz :evil:

A lovely made film by a friend on the coast enveloped in Sea Haar

The Surly is the bench mark as the original production fatbike, some other makes are better for some types of riding, some are not, Surly Pugsley is still the most versatile frameset using 135mm so can use any hub set up, SS, gears, IGH etc, also it has options to take racks if you want, I have just bought my 3rd Pugsley frame to build a new Super Pugsley over the winter for next year :-)

Real comfy flexy frame set with geometery that lets you get away with front end slides etc, My Pugs with the offset 29+ Krampus wheels makes my Karate Monkey a bit redundent now, I have not ridden anything that has made me want to upgrade for riding trails and the coast. Weight is an over talked thing with fatbikes, Pugs frameset though is light for what it is,

It has the shortest chainstay for a 4″ fatbike (only 5mm shorter than an On One) still the best fatbike for the money i have ridden for both MTB type riding and beach/ moorland peat and areas you take them where a regular MTB would be a struggle or unrideable.
Fatbikes are not a replacement for a regular MTB, Something some folk keep banging on about…

Some white and black frames from a production run had a frame cracking issue at the seat tube to seat stays, which Surly have warranted and replaced,

29+ – thats the fatbike for regular MTB riding areas :wink:

So you selling the 907 frame and fork for a couple of hundered quid then Colin? :wink:

My mate bought all the parts for an On One Fatty build kit used on eBay. Only a Howitzer 100mm BB was new, Now rolling fat 3×9 gears (no granny for fatbikes is for dreamers and posers – take em where MTBs struggle or cannot go :wink:) for under £700, so it can be done as cheap as a regular front suspension hardtail mtb :-)

This film too :-)

This was the first fatbike film i found to watch on youtube back in 2007. The first film that showed a fatbike rolling over pebbles and loose surfaces (away from snow) and it sold me… :-)

And being bit biased this from Fat Forth, as it was an amazing weekend as fatbike owners from all over the UK came to the homeland of UK fatbike beachriding, but it was of course not just flat wet and hard sand, but also riding rocks, singletrack, slickrock exposed by low tide, and dune surfing…
And a hell of a good Saturday night out :-)

Rest in Peace your YES vote Druidh! lol :D

Crumpler, 10 years old and never leaked yet :-)

I will add that in the next pub debate Kevevs :o

Hi Benji, The concrete anchor things are coastal defences, each one is numbered!
There is an ongoing pub argument here that they were all specially placed, but there are so many i think they just stacked then up!

rogerthecat, East Lothian is 30 mins from Edinburgh and is hoachin (quite a few of) as they say in Scotland with Pugsleys, over 40 now…
Come up and we will sort you out for a shot… :-)

Some stuff on the Surly blog a while back too

http://surlybikes.com/blog/post/ta_dah

Phil Wood square taper 10mm BB is available. I have one with Middleburns and its a lovely made bit of kit. It is quite pricy but you can service it with just new sealed bearings, and if you have cranks then still cheaper than a full 100mm crankset. My PW has been great value lasting so long, and has only needed 3 sets of bearings in 5 1/2 years of beach riding.
Tim at Sideways should be able to help you out :-)

I don`t own a Krampus Rick, not yet :wink:
Just had wee shots twice,

Got the KramPug though, Krampus rims and tyres (Rabbit Hole and 3″ Knard)
built offset to fit a Surly Pugsley
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A present from SURLY, 29+ Rabbit Hole, 3″ Knard, Pugsley offset wheelset[/url] by coastkid71[/url], on Flickr

Loving it :-)

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KramPug NB Law 030[/url] by coastkid71[/url], on Flickr

SS but going 2×9 with bash soon, and a steel Jones Truss fork i have, These wheels are way more fun on regular trails and singletrack around here than with regular 4″ fat, just faster, lighter, and roll and roll and roll :-)
Only handicap is Knards are dry tyres, and not much good in gloop here, ok on Peat though like Cheviots etc…
Roll on the Dirt Wizard tyres to be released soon

If your bored some film…

Trails like this are fun on the 29+ set up… need gears for more speed!

And some Pugsley to KramPug waffle to read :lol:

http://coastkid.blogspot.co.uk/2013/06/meet-new-boss-same-as-old-boss-surly.html

Applecross, amazing views above the coast :-)

No not at all, there are 14 golf clubs in a bag by PGA rules :wink:
And if cycling is the new golf then i`m glad there is 9 days in the week to ride a different bike each day :mrgreen:

A good summer for visiting the various aircraft wreck sites on the Cheviots, may revisit the B17G crash site soon

I use the SS Nano flats for beach riding, a good pedal, mine get plenty of salt water action :-) and hold up pretty well. Replacement bearing kits are available too, but change them as soon as a bit of play as once the bearings seize the pedal body will wear and be goofed :wink:

Slim Jim plastic platform flats are half the price of the alloy platform Nano`s on eBay and use the same axle kits, just got a pair so will see how long the plastic studs last grinding off rocks etc!

Anyone wanting a cheap version of a BoB trailer these are on eBay :-)

Here is a BOB copy trailer on eBay for £55 free P&P; Cargo Bicycle trailer

And what i used for a wheel for £28 free P&P
Kite Buggy Wheel

cut the rear yoke, splay and reweld and jobs a good one

You have mail cupra :-)

I do not own a Krampus but have the 29+ wheelset ie the SURLY Rabbit Hole 29 x 50mm rims and Knard 3″ tyres, called a KramPug :-)

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KramPug NB Law 016[/url] by coastkid71[/url], on Flickr

Can only comment on the wheels but my mate has a Krampus and its a hoot! :D
A bike that you could make full suspension bikes look very silly with at Trail Centres..
The Knards are indeed useless in mud, being a dry tyre, but not to worry as the SURLY Dirt Wizard 29 x 3″ get released in Autumn :wink:
And look the biz.

Having ridden over 10,000 miles now on Fatbikes in nearly 6 years i have watched a lot of increased interest here in the UK on them.
However here in the UK there has not been as much interest in the 29+ of the Krampus as fatbikes, and there should be more,

Some things i have found with Fatbikes riding them everywhere are;
They are not replacements for MTB`s, but something differant,
They have uncontrolable rebound from the 4″ (worse with 5″) tyres at high speed – try riding one flat out doen Caddon Bank at Innerliethen.
They weigh more yet it is not really noticable until riding long climbs..

The 29+ wheels as the Krampus has started is a differnt sort of fatbike, i still term 29+ as a fatbike as you can run the tyre pressures at half of a regular 29er, 15psi instead of 30 psi.

My first Karate Monkey had Kris Holm 47mm rims with 2.55 WTB tyres, it was more comfortable and got more grip out the tyres climbing. nearly a half way house, it was close to what i was wanting.
The Knards though are faster rolling with less rebound than a regular 4″ fatbike, no matter what weigh a fatbike is, or its type of tyres. Also there is no weird squirmy steering with the 29+, it just rides like a 29er but more comfortable and more grip.

3″ is indeed half way between a 29er and a Fatbike (thats obvious!)
And way more fun and faster and more comfortable than both fatbike and 29ers. both of course are better at other things, only you can decide if it would be ideal for where you live and what you like to ride, i know i would have one in the gang, but the ability to offset the Rabbit Holes means i can have 2 in 1 bikes with the Pugsley :wink:

Hope this helps :-)

Aye, move to Scotland :-)
Still a NO voter though brothers :wink:

Thats my rig :mrgreen:

cut off and welded wider to except a 4″ kite buggy wheel that has 20mm internal bearings, i just added Hope Pro 2 inserts…

More hieght would not be that much advantage as a BOB fully loaded with hardwood logs is easily twice the trailers stated limit. It can take it no probs but the bikes front wheel starts to lift once you start hauling crazy weights, i hauled a Morris Minor engine 4 miles with it but nearly killed my wrists trying to keep the front end down! :-)

Trailer action;

Use a few, all ridgid for here in East Lothian as all we need and low maintenance.
I built another Karate Monkey, ISON`s ex demo frameset and its fun, slacker headangle with a Works Componants headset
2×9 with 750 bars for throwing it about, fun cheap bike :-)

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MK II Surly Karate Monkey 004[/url] by coastkid71[/url], on Flickr

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MK II Surly Karate Monkey 025[/url] by coastkid71[/url], on Flickr

Wee build and launch film :-)

And ripping some local singletrack…

The gears are being nicked off the Monkey and it will go SS for winter as needed to go on another creation, after i was given a SS Krampus offset wheel set for a Pugsley from Tyler from SURLY after Forth Fat…

Two similar bikes but quite differant
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Sunday cycle 45 miler 004[/url] by coastkid71[/url], on Flickr

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KramPug NB Law 016[/url] by coastkid71[/url], on Flickr

This thing rocks on trails, faster rolling on the 3″ Knards and lower pressures give more grip and comfort, a noticable lot more, BB height is an inch higher than a standard Pugsley with these wheels so i can drop it ok and fit 29×2.25 mud tyres for winter (The Knards are awful in mud being a dry dust tyre)
be fitting the steel Jones fork soon too adding to the freakness :mrgreen: and with 2×9 gears it will make a versatile and fun machine :-)

Wee build film of the SURLY “KramPug”…

Some local trails…

Bikes that make you smile when you ride them is what it is all about, the KramPug it ticking all the right boxes this now :-)
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Sunday cycle 45 miler 018[/url] by coastkid71[/url], on Flickr

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Midweek Cycle 067[/url] by coastkid71[/url], on Flickr

Believe so! :-)

If that film is too slow stilltortoise here is another :wink:
Come along for a ride on some local trails, all you need to do is try and keep up :mrgreen:

I don`t ride trail centres much on my Pugsley as get sick of getting stuck behind snails crawling along on All Mountain rigs … :lol:
Too many with all the gear and no idea!

For what its worth mentioning, fatbikes have been cool to ride on regular trails with nice comfort and amazing grip, not to mention minimum impact on soft peat based trails like the Cheviots last summer during real wet conditions, how ever if you have a ride on a 29+ 3″ Knard wheel set on regular trails you won`t want to waste your time on a 4 or 5″ fatbike with the uncontrolable rebound at high speeds, and the weird steering of a 4 or 5″ fat bike, the Krampus 50mm 29er rim and 3″ Knard tyre set up is way quicker and more positive a ride. UK riders are hell bent on riding the bigger fatbikes on trails but owning all 3 sizes the 3″ is deft best on regular trails, though We need 29×3″ Nates for the winter here in the UK!, Knards are useless in mud!.
Gears are going on my SS KramPug soon so will head down to GT and Inners and shoot some film :-)

Deft worth the divorce to get one :D

No Probs bjh :-)

Kunstler; the John Muir Way can be followed all the way from Dunbar to North Berwick via East Linton, Can be done after riding the river tyne trail from Haddington to Dunbar :wink:,
From North Berwick the JMW goes west along or near to the coast all the way to Musselburgh where cycle tracks lead into Edinburgh. Take an OS Map and you will see some diversions worth taking along all these routes :-)

I am indeed Nik :-)
Binning woods south of North Berwick on the JMW is good for singletrack, alog with the river tyne trail from Haddington to Dunbar.
Some nice trails from Bolton to Gifford too,

Herring road from Dunbar to Borders is also good for a serious workout on a regular MTB :-)

I have BB7 road calipers on MTB levers on a Karate Monkey, they are an amazing brake set up compared to my other 3 sets of MTB BB7 Avids.
No idea what the differance is TBH! :D.
You also get cable adjusters with the road set. I did have these road BB7s on a Fargo before with Sora drop levers. They were good on that but way better with the MTB levers.

No idea what it is thats differant but they are way more progressive than the MTB calipers :-)

The Sram website has a pdf on stripping them to service; Sram BB7 pdf

Some nice bikes on here :-)

Another option once the rims and tyres are available this side of the pond, A SURLY KramPug – Pugsley with offset Krampus wheels

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KramPug NB Law 007[/url] by coastkid71[/url], on Flickr

I would not worry about not getting on the forum to get to the Fifth fatbike meet, it will also be on the facebook UK fatbike page and various other blogs and sites…

The forum has only been joined by a handfull of riders around here in East Lothian,and thats around 40 owners, most tried to register, heard nothing and gave up!
Being one of several global moderators i should be able to sort this, but was appointed to the job and to be honest have no idea what to do :lol:

Your not missing much to be honest, its all a bit dull, just the usual tyre threads etc… :lol: and a couple of folk on every thread thats posted…
Folk posted that beachriding is boring and since this happend i lost interest in contributing to the forum lately…

As one person still has not taken solo responsibility for the fifth fatbike gathering most folk around here i know (in East Lothian) have opted to not bother a long drive to a weekend of uncertainess, and are heading north to Aviemore (for a still to be announced date) for a highland meet, with a Saturday ride on Cairngorm and Sunday beachride at Moray…

I`m a Global Moderator, still trying to work out what exactly that means and what i do :lol: but been told i am as partly its all my fault all this! :lol:

Doc (Si) does all the moderating of joining requests due to loads of spam. I will have a look as i can get access and try to sort things out without breaking anything 8O

:-)

One last thing to do… :-)

PeterPoddy – Member
Saw a bunch of guys at a shop in North Berwick today.
Fat bikes
Niche brands
Beards

I asked and yes, some were STWers.

Hi guys if you’re reading this.

Orange On One (STW give away) with trailer and wife on bike touring?
Aye was us! nice to meet you, hope you enjoyed your ride to Dunbar,
I was the non bearded one in out of fashion cycling gear with 90s Karrimor back pack :-)

Bike hip flask is another give away of STWrs :-)

Around here… :mrgreen:

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Microlight Flight 31.3.12 142[/url] by coastkid71[/url], on Flickr

It looks like a SE Racing Quadangle BMX frame i used to own! a 1980s design :-)

Their is a 29er cruiser available; SE Racing 29er cruiser

Copper grease on the inside adjuster from new and they will keep going even here riding in salt water on the coast. Leave it dry and it will seize solid in no time, can stll be used with the inner seized, it kinda becomes like a BB5! :-)
I just aline them by eye (white paper underneath to see the gap either side of the disc)once they seize and keep using them until they rot with corrosion usually for me around 2 years, still amazing low maintenance disc brakes,

Happy to have anyones BB7 calipers that have a seized on the inner for my beach bikes… :-)

Tyler from SURLY seemed to enjoy himself :-)

http://surlybikes.com/blog/post/scotland_fatbikes_beer_whiskey_and_the_skip_and_gern_show

The descent east off Allermuir to Swanston is a hoot, watch for walkers/dogs :-)
Easier down than up, 60% push into a strong westerly

Great running area, My brother in law just did an epic run from Swanston up Allermuir at the weekend – 29 times 8O

An Everest of Allermuirs

Jack Dales harbour is famous for being cut out of the Geddon Rock by compressed air using a steam engine in 1890 by the previous estate owner Andrew Laidley.

The flat hull creel boat that is moored in side during calm seas uses a system of pulleys to stop it smashing on the sides of the harbour from the swell…

It does indeed hold claim to being the smallest commercial fishing harbour in the world :D

Amazing wee place to visit… :-)

dirk_pumpa – Member
gopping, like all the surlys.

Haterz gotta hate :lol: