BEEF monster munch.
Get on ’em, before they take them away again.

The main reason why I chose the hope expander over the one up was the fact hope made theirs dedicated shimano or SRAM, as I thought a universal sprocket may suffer when shifting.

One up you say, did that include the free 16t sprocket.

I think I remember reading recently other people having shifting problems where the one up 16t was found to be the cause.

That’s what I thought bigger gap between the sprockets in the middle would cause this.
You did remove the 17t and the spacer in front of it .

But will I die. :D

I have a couple of brand new muddy Mary’s
In performance line orc in the loft. I think they are. 2.4 as they are mahoosive with huge tread.

Are they death on anything or everything. Never used them yet as I thought they might be fun in the snow but it never arrived .

You do know your bike has gone nowhere.
They built ramps using other peoples parcels and a foam Pit out of bubble rap and have been taking it in turns to do back flips on your bike.

I do mine to 40 nm as specified which is pretty tight.

As above , perfect.
The blak bit hard pressed up against the hub is the carrier that the sprockets are riveted to.

Also aston hill is not far either.

Swinley is about forty minutes from uxbridge, and well worth the drive.

Also if you get on the m25 you can get to epping forest in an hour. If you don’t know it it can be hit or miss on whether the journey was worthwhile.

There’s nothing like swinley.
If you pick up the grand union canal in uxbridge you can ride to whippendell woods in watford.
A main loop lots of short bits of singletrack and you may come across some jumps built by yoots if your lucky.

Also you are not too far from ruislip woods a series of three woods and the lido that splits one as good as into two so more like four smallish woods.

If you can find the old uxbridge dry ski slope make your way to to the bottom sticking to the left you will find a bit of single track that will take you To a series of big dirt jumps, well there was last year.

You would be surprised what you can do if you except a little more pain.

Not so long ago I fitted a mucky nuts to my chainstays to shield the front mech.
Out on a local ride started up a hill dropped into the granny to here horrendous noise from chain rubbing the muckynuts.
Went back up to the 36 fully expecting to not make it as had never tried to get up that hill out of the granny, but suprisingly did and did the rest of the ride without the granny.

There was nothing mega steep or long but I would normally use the granny often when I discovered I did not have to.

The reason I went 2x was I kept bending teeth on the 42 so went bash/36/24 with 11-34 cassette.
Now running bash/36 with 11-40.

The way I look at it is the only reason behind the large ring and granny existing was because they could not generate a full usable range of gears with only a single ring and cassette.
Now they can, thus rendering the front mech obsolete .
As soon as you can buy a 10-42 11 speed cassette for £50 I think front mechs will be a thing of the past for many people on here.

Surely a brand new bike supplied with a 1×10 should be good to go as far as chain line is concerned.

With my 1×10 set up I don’t notice any more noise from the cassette since the change but the NW ring is definatly noisier but I am guessing that is normal due to longer teeth with greater contact with the chain.

is it a brand new bike, could you ask the shop where you bought it or failing that an lbs.

The longer the bar, the slower the steering as you have to move you hands a greater distance to achieve the same degree of turn in the wheel therefore you have to move faster.

But you may find this more comfortable, you should have more leverage so make easier to hold true when forces on the wheel are trying to snatch it out of your hands

And with regards to precision if you had an old school radio with a knob and dial, the bigger the knob you fitted the easier you would find it to tune in more precisely.

I am not a physicist, frame builder or indeed a dirt bike guy so I readily concede I could be wrong ( wouldn’t be the first time ).

Your argument does make sense and I agree when designing a bike there are many factors with regard to angles and Tube Length that of course would effect a bikes ability to climb.

When setting my saddle fore and aft and indeed height I always set this in relation to the peddles as I have old knees on there way out, so I would not adjust my saddle to get me further or closer to the bars in order to adjust my cockpit.

So in fairness to the op,the question is simply if I took my bike and shortenend the stem would this make it harder to climb and or keep the wheel on the ground, I am sure you could design a bike with a shorter stem to climb better but would simply shortening or lenghening while all else stay the same make a difference.

My brain indeed tells me it does, but their must be a definitive answer and some one on here must be qualified to give it.

Course you do.

The more of your body mass you have over the steerer the more of your weight you are going to put through the steerer and front wheel.

In the attack position you have contact with your bike at four points. But by moving you body around you distribute your weight to suit. The more forward your bars are of the steerer the easy it is to shift weight through your arms into the steerer and down through the wheel to the ground.

Think of the steerer top cap as the pivot point on a seesaw and then tell me the more weight you get forward of this point makes no difference .

There’s a link to rose bikes at the bottom of my last post.

It is the 10t which makes the SRAM great, as it’s the 10t that makes the large ring redundant as the 42 makes the granny ring. No real compromise in order to gain the 1 x simplicity.

I don’t know what shimano are thinking especially offering an 11 speed xtr 11-40 triple,only a crazy man would buy such a contraption over a SRAM 1×11 set up.

I ordered three to make the postage worthwhile on the same day I ordered my hope expander from wiggle.

They arrived first in a few days, and are much better than the one up jobbies.
Shimano xt 16t sprocket

The suggestion of losing the 11t perplexed me.
I am peed off that the new xtr 11speed cassettes smallest sprocket is 11 not 10 , not that I would buy one but that this probably means when this becomes xt grade technology it won’t have the 10t.

Asked to leave a cafe in Conwy because my see through shorts were ‘upsetting the other customers’.
To be fair, Mrs S had warned me about them several times before, but I thought she was exaggerating.

Was putting them off their sausages.

I blinking love Rome me, and I saw the pope when attending midnight mass Xmas 2000.
Where I was right at the front, I could easily have knocked his hat off with a tennis ball if I had one.

But I still would not do business with you, but that’s me.

I once got overtaken near the top of a long hill just starting to level out by a very fat middle aged man (even fatter and more middle aged than me) in an all in one white Lycra out fit that left not a lot to the imagination complete with old school cycle cap riding a cheap looking hybrid one handed.

And to add insult to injury I realised the reason why he was riding one handed was because he was puffing away on a newly light cigarette that he must have not long lit once he relised he was over the worst of the climb.

Overtaken by old people who are clearly in good shape I can handle but being overtaken by fat feckers pees me off. :D

I would not call them dodgy as that would imply some sort of illegality in the way they went about their business.

Either way, you’ll remember it

But I do indeed remember the name from a thread some time ago where if I remember correctly someone was renting a very expensive bike on what I considered to be ridicules terms.

But the poster seemed very pleased with the deal especially as he could hand it back after a couple of years with absolutely nothing to show for his outlay because he would be getting another brand new rental in exchange.

If people want to do business with bike swanky more fool them in my view, but it’s up to them.

Although I agree a shameless spam post.

On ones offerings are twenty odd pounds I believe.
Are there any plans for an on one expander sprocket as £60 for the hope added to the 30 odd quid for the cassette is not cheap.

The L limit screw is there to stop the deraileur dumping your chain over the top of your cassette into the spokes, so if to tight the deraileur will not quite move in far enough to allow the chain to settle comfortably and will instead try to ride up the out side ode the sprocket. As said above just 1/4 of a turn anticlockwise of the l limit screw ( don’t touch barrel adjuster yet) and see if this helps. If not check out the park guide.

This link is the best guide I found on the subject , take a minute to read and understand it then give it a go.
It’s not rocket science and quit straight forward once you understand what you are doing .

Park guide

Stopped to eat my brekkie, now too long to edit.

Feel free to experiment but never suffer poor fit or performance in order to pull off a look.

Do you have a problem with comfort or handling that you may believe will be remedied by a shorter stem.

Are you looking for an excuse to buy a shorter stem as shorter stems are more fashionable.

Do you have some money mburning a hole in your pocket and you don’t know what to spend it on.

If you like riding up hills you will find it harder to keep the front wheel on the ground as you weight will be moved rearward and less over your front wheel.

If you like to push up and barrel down hills you may feel your weight is too far forward so would benefit from your weight further back so fit a shorter stem.
You may then feel a little cramped and your steering is more twitchy so adding wider bars, will slow down the steering and stretch your arms a bit so a little less cramped.

If you still feel cramped you will need a frame with a longer effective top tube to allow you have the shorter stem that enables you to push your weight back.

You may not be happy with your current bar width and find a wider bar more comfortable but find your steering slow so shorten your stem to try and speed it up.

The whole relationship between bar lengh, stem lengh and ETT should be tailored to suit fit and performance.

If set up is perfect for fit bit causes the bike to misbehave where and how you ride, its wrong.
If you bike handles every thing you throw at it but you feel it does not fit,then something’s wrong.

No really,

The shadow has a lower profile, I think.

I thought this was a “where to” go dogging thread.

i find 700 mm bars perfect on both bikes.
One has a 75mm stem one a 90mm, the reason for this is one has a 600mm ETT the other 585.

I don’t find one more twitchy or vague than the other, they just fit me, and I would not change it because a shorter stem or wider bars were in vogue.

Ok thanks, I will give them a go this weekend.

Does make me wonder why you buy a tiny seat and then wear a padded shorts, why not just have a comfy padded saddle.

There must be a reason.