and one fighter becomes a martyr and 10 more take his place.

Kill them too.

Bomb them when they are trying to take a city whilst working with the people on the ground to defend that city.
Stopping them taking a city easier from the skies while they are meeting resistance from with in.

Once a city has fallen then you have to take it back on the ground.

Use smaller bombs.

These are not conflicts that can be won, killing the people doing this won’t get rid of their ideas.

It will stop them from killing the innocent people they were on their way to kill when the got bombed.

This clowns not a Muslim.
He’s a fruit loop.

You say that, but I bet the fridge is empty when you get home.

He’s your dad he is.

You are comparing this sick monster to me, saying our beliefs are the same.
Do you believe he is a sick monster or Isis are a perfectly rational and should be tolerated.

I beleive murderous fruit loops should die,
He believes anyone who does not share his religious ideology should die.

We are exactly the same.

I would like to see him offer his services to junkyard as a baby sitter and see if he takes him up on his offer.

Sway nothing, it’s the truth, if you believe killing genocidal murderers to save lives of others makes you the same as them you are a div.

problem is that you are just like them as that is what they say about infidels like us. You are both willing to do commit abhominal acts for your beliefs.
as NW notes

If you believe that you are a div, plain and simple.

Anyone who has a war memorial in there town or village go and visit it tomorrow and read the names of the men who paid the ultimate sacrifice to protect you from evil such as this. And you are happy to turn a blind eye to such behaviour so you can carry on your lives worrying about which coffee machine for bike park wales while innocent people are being slaughtered.

Quit frankly you make me sick.

Then we need to commit to the operation fully and be prepared to fill the ensuing power vacuum with boots on the ground and PROPER funding for both the military and the rebuilding of civilian infrastructure. Instead of what we had with Bush.

Exactly, and every country on this planet who disagrees with what is happening needs to get involved and wipe these people out and work to build a future for the good people of Iraq.

If Islamic state becomes a reality, and become cash rich through oil production there will be a world war if you like it or not.

You bunch of saps can jog on if you think you are getting in my bunker .
Anyone who wishes to turn a blind eye to mass murder and kidnapping of hundreds of women and children into slavery are clearly mental.

I understand isis are despicable in every way, a bunch of genocidal megalomaniacs.
They need to be destroyed, not tolerated, humoured or understood.

Yep, and martyrs never inspire others to follow in their footsteps.

Only other twisted ****, who should meet the same fate.

Next in line is a kind hearted cabbie who just wanted to help people.

Seriously Wtfs right Just yanking the chain of a man who likes to blow his own trumpet.

He jumped on the op for saying he met one of the pioneers of mounting biking then took a mouthful of mouthpiece.

I am sure repack played a significant part in the modern mountain bikes evolution.
But geez, when did hippies take shit so seriously.
Especially on t’internet,

Relax
I have a nibble a brant sometimes and I think my marley which I love is the son of a brant bike at the very least.
It’s the t’internet. No one died.

Martyr the lot of them, we get shot of them, they get to start their afterlife, win win.
David Haines was a true humanitarian and worth more than the lot of them put together
If they are no more they cannot take anymore hostages and the internet can go back to being used for the simple pleasures in life like the discussion of what tyres for what mountain bicycling trails .

Hippies!

My grandad said he invented mountainbiking.

And you did not offer him your shoes, tut,tut.
Man gives away his shoes.

I read his autobiography 15 years ago.

If I remember correctly he held a guard hostage, shoved something up his rusty sheriffs badge and claimed he did not mistreat him as he gave him his last rolo.

Or something along those lines, nuts I tell you.

Charlie Brunson is a horrible **** who should be locked up for the rest of his natural,
As he is in the words of the fonz “nutso”.
With a penchant for violence. In fact I would make them cell mates.

I’d put him in a cell, rig up a Stephen Hawking voice synth box to a bad ass amp and get it to read the contents of the George Osbourne currency thread

(In bricktops voice) You are a horrible ****.

Turning him from a supporter of IS to IS.

Bedroom jihadist. Daft buggers groomed and brainwashed over the internet.
Half brainwashed already if already religious.

Don’t need to understand them.

I would not want to sink to their level and would rather he met his end where he is thanks to some precision bombing .

If he was arrested in this country I would rather he was sent and faced charges and was jailed in America.
As our prison system is far to soft for the likes of him.

I would rather he lived out his days in jail as a sex toy for a group of American white supremacists.

That is not even pleasant and I like women.

I think it’s only fair to see it from behind before passing judgement.

It does look much like my action man did without his Keks,

You lucky beggars.

I smashed my heel 12 years ago.
No op but in plaster for 3 months and told to keep it off the ground for the duration. So crutches or hop the entire time.

When the first cast came of to be replaced with the second my entire foot looked a right mess , just covered in huge blood blisters and bruising.
I was told they were fracture blisters and to be expected.

When I finally came out of plaster It was pointed out by a friend that I walked with my foot turned in, which accounted for my sore hip. So I had to walk consciously keeping my foot pointed forward which eventually sorted itself out.

It does ache sometimes along with the ankle which was broken and healed badly due to not seeking medical attention on a seperate occasion which gives me gyp also.

Apparently the heal is hard to brake as it like a large stone in the heel.

I would follow what the doctors tell you to the letter as it is important that it is allowed to heal properly to avoid future problems.

Again from wiki,

Between 1951 and 1956, the French Velo Cross Club Parisien (VCCP), comprising about twenty-one young cyclists from the outskirts of Paris where they were born, developed a sport that was remarkably akin to present-day mountain biking.[2]

My dad used to time my run to to the chip shop and my run to mr Patels for 1/2 ounce of old holborn, I can feel the wind on my face just thinking about it and chastising MR P for not pulling his finger out and ruining my chances of a PB and him laughing.
I think my dad invented urban running.

I watch very little road racing ( mainly Olympic and commonwealth )but what I have noticed is people straight after a camera bike passes.
They lean right in staring straight into the camera both hands waving in the classic hi mum format , seemingly totally oblivious to the rider/s behind the camera bike and nearly taking them out with a Scottish kiss in there eagerness to get on the tv.

I think cyclists should be aloud to carry a small frame mounted Shillelagh they could quickly deploy and use to issue a warning coming through blow to the head of any offending spectators.

I would watch more .

It’s a vax Hoover,
I sometimes attach it to my makita skil saw.

Our 5 year old vax got very noisy, rang customers services and let him hear it over the phone.
Sent out a brand new top of the range replacement straight away without sending the old one back.

It did go to the tip but meant we was not left without a Hoover while waiting for the new one.

Excellent Hoover, excellent service.

It may not be as bling as a dyson but it’s a Hoover and it works.

You look at vernon blakes bike and the 81 stumpy based on Kelly/fisher bikes they are uncannily similar in appearance considering they are 50 years apart.

Rik garner,

Y osemite Bicycle Shop opened in January 2001 by Rick Garner in Oakhurst, CA, just south of Yosemite National Park. I have been coming to Bass Lake and the Sierra Nevada Foothills and mountains for most of my life, enjoying the hiking, cycling, swimming, fishing, horseback riding and other activities available here. I finally decided it was time to make my home here.

I have been in the bicycle business since 1972, when my brother Mike and I opened Garner’s Pro Bike Shop in Redwood City, Ca. (San Francisco Bay Area). In 1973, I started building bicycle frames and in 1978, I started building all terrain bikes (later to be called mountain bikes). We started the Sequoia Cycling Club a year later and promoted many bike races. In 1974, My brother and I were among the very first Specialized bicycle dealers in the world and were involved in the founding of Specialized Bicycle Components Co. and helped Mike Sinyard develop the first production mountain bike in the world (the Stumpjumper). In 1975-1976, I was the district representative for the U.S. Cycling Federation. In 1975, when I promoted the California State Championships that I went to Caltrans for a moving road closure permit for the road race championships. It was a surprise to them because they had never issued one to a bike race before even though bike races had been held in the state long before I started promoting them. The time trial course that I chose that year near Sierraville, Ca. is still being used today for the state championships.

In the spring of 1976, I was approached by the San Francisco Columbus Day Celebration Committee who were interested in holding an international caliber bicycle race to take place in September as part of the Columbus Day festivities. I agreed to hold the event, which I named the Giro Di San Francisco. It was at this event that a prominent racer, Bob Lemond brought his 15 year old son Greg to the sign in table and asked if I could issue him a racing license so he could race. It was there that I issued Greg Lemond his first racing license . Greg finished third that day and was awarded a trophy that stood as tall as he did by Mayor Mosconi In 1977, I moved the race to the North Beach area of San Francisco with the first ever climb up Lombard Street ! It was during this race, that Greg Lemond passed the lead motorcycle up that hill and went on to win the event. It was Dianne Feinstein that awarded him his trophy that year.

Upon arriving here in the gateway to beautiful Yosemite National Park, I met the local road and mountain bike riders including John Fisher, the owner of the previous bicycle shop in Oakhurst. He was instrumental in showing me the local trails and introducing me to the professional riders in the area. Since most of the trails up here are poorly marked, it was nice learning where all the best routes are and how to ride them. His skill level was remarkable which led him to many local and national mountain bike races. I know that I am a much better rider because of what John has taught me and thank him immensely for his efforts. John had a skiing accident in 2006 which has left him paralyzed and unable to ride a bicycle. We all miss him out there on the trails but our thoughts are always with him.

In 2002, my brother Mike died of a heart attack. I returned to Redwood City to run the store until I could find a buyer for Garner’s Pro Bicycle Shop. During this time my store in Oakhurst was being run my manager, Mike Morris. I was able to find a buyer for the my brother’s store. Bob Weger, an experienced bike shop manager took over the shop and changed the name to Goride Bicycles. He has carried on the superior service tradition of three decades of Garner’s Pro Bikes and is now one of the top Specialized dealerships in the country. http://www.goridebicycles.com

From wiki
The Rough Stuff Fellowship was established in 1955 by off-road cyclists in the United Kingdom.[3] In Oregon, one Chemeketan club member, D. Gwynn, built a rough terrain trail bicycle in 1966. He named it a “mountain bicycle” for its intended place of use. This may be the first use of that name.[4]

Ah so you invented the term mountainbike.

That I can believe.

Charlie Kelly’s bike is to modern downhill bikes what vernon blakes is to his.

Just another step in the evolution of the bicycle.

So down hill racing was invented a repack , Maybe.
What I do can only be called mountainbiking because I do it on a mountain bike.
I don’t think anyone can claim to have invented mountainbiking or the mountainbike as I am sure people have rode bikes on mountains or even modified or built a bike for specific off road environments long before the phrase mountainbike was ever coined.