Not me being pedantic, Cougar is fixating on my use of the word uniform, forcing me to justify my use of it. Which i am still happy with, the second sentence being subordinate to the first, means that the word all applies to the most in the original sentence. It is they which are UNIFORM. I'm happy to stop there and seeing as you are too then we shall just let the original statement stand.

I use the term uniformity in relation to your use of the the word 'most' not that of 'about'. This is why I am happy to edit to say

You say that most speedos underread (overread) by about 10%. That means that they are all the same in that respect, homogenous, consistent in that respect from one example to the other, alike. UNIFORM

Follow the route of the Great North Bike Ride, Blyth up to Seahouses. If you want a shorter route just do the section from Druridge to Seahouses

Surfing, there is plenty, 10 miles down from Blyth in Tynemouth, one of the uk pro tour sites

Cougar – Member
Not mine, that of the English language.

What do other readers think?

you don't need other readers, just take a look at a dictionary.

You say that most speedos underread (overread) by 10%. That means that they are all the same in that respect, homogenous, consistent in that respect from one example to the other, alike. UNIFORM

Cougar – Member
Not at all, it is the 'most' which implies the uniformity. The 'about' implies that it is uniform around the 10% mark.
The implication here is your error, not mine.

Not mine, that of the English language.

I've seen it more times than I remember. Sometimes rather than overtake or undertake I'll just sit behind the middle lane driver (not tailgating but close enough, you understand) Most move over reasonably quickly but I would say half move back to the middle lane once I've passed!

But then you would have to move into their lane to do this? Why bother?

I was driving a white van up the M6 once and in front of me was the usual myopic pillock in a Rover doing about 55mph. Nothing in sight in the inside lane at all. I was gaining on him, still no reaction so, being a typical white van man, I flashed my lights and eventually he got the message, pulled in and gesticulated angrily for me to come past. As soon as I had passed, he pulled out into the middle lane again! WTF?!

why all the flashing and so on? Why not just ease into the overtaking lane early, pass him, them smoothly back into the inside lane where you started

that's right, but the hard shoulder on the other side

Cougar – Member
I said "most" and "about", is that ambiguous somehow?

Not at all, it is the 'most' which implies the uniformity. The 'about' implies that it is uniform around the 10% mark.

Where did I suggest it was uniform? I said "about", some are more, some are less.

here

most consumer speedometers underread by about 10%

Charlie, just wondering where you live when you say you've never seen "someone sit in the middle lane when there are no other cars around".

Well, when I see them, there is usually at least one other car around

That's just pure unjustified speculation, if the over / under reporting of all speedos was due to tyre pressure (which is entirely plausible) then there would not be a uniform 10% under reporting in all speedos, would there? Unless we all have our tyres a the same pressure.

Cougar – Member
Test yours with a GPS sometime

I have, it's fine, on both my current cars and both my previous ones

If most speedos, under read by about 10% it seems like a pretty easy fix.

Dougal, the probably think 'this guy is a bit of a c0ck, likely to do something else dangerous soon. Not much to be gained in trying to second guess him, better just take it easy and get there 5 minutes later, chill'

Cougar – Member

For instance, at 70mph, my speedo reads around 77mph.

So far you've recommended undertaking on the motorway and told us that you drive with a defective speedo. Please do excuse me if I don't take your advice on safe driving practice too seriously

PeterPoddy – Member
Tell me who else there is to consider, except for those going faster than about 70, who then only have to overtake. Why do you find it so hard? You might need a motorway lesson from your instructor.
Are you for real?

Yes, I am. But until now, I hadn't realised that changing lane to overtake was so difficult for some people. Especially if they are such 'good' drivers that they can go so fast in their cars.

DezB – Member
If all three lanes were clear ahead and behind, middle laners would probably take the inside lane

Then they aren't a middle laner. Middle laners don't change lanes, except when entering and exiting the motorway. Surely you've seen these people?

No, I've never seen someone sit in the middle lane when there are no other cars around.

If I'm in an empty first lane doing 70, and you're in the middle lane doing 55mph, then which is safer; passing on the left, or making four lane changes to get past you?

Making the lane changes.

Passing on the left is pretty safe IME, most of the time the person you're passing is so oblivious to the world around them that they haven't even noticed you, and they're so glued to the lane that they aren't going anywhere. The only time it's ever an issue is when people do it intentionally.

You mean you accidentally undertake?

Contrary to popular belief, it's not illegal. You might be 'driving without due care' if you're doing it aggressively, carving through traffic, but I don't do that.

In general you are supposed to stay in the kerbside lane, unless overtaking. Seems to me undertaking may be more dangerous and problematic than middle lane 'hogging'

Correct me if I'm wrong, but we're talking about people who stay in the middle land regardless of speed or traffic conditions. Not people who just use the middle lane.

There are very few of these.
If all three lanes were clear ahead and behind, middle laners would probably take the inside lane, but it wouldn't actually matter.

If there is a lot of traffic, then all lanes move at about the same speed, once again the choice of lane is irrelevant, in fact switching lanes tends to slow traffic down across all lanes.

buzz-lightyear – Member

I just don't understand how they feel safe trundling along in the centre lane – do they not notice juggernauts bearing down on them in their mirrors?

Clearly it is not just middle lane drivers who are afraid of the big bad lorries

How old is your son? Is he calling 'premium' lines?

What Realman said. Unless you really are that thick.

Not so thick that I don't have my own opinion, find it difficult to express in my own words, or find it necessary to just repeat the comment of a previous poster

Just about sums up the standard middle lane driver attitude. "It's easy. I don't have to change lanes or indicate or think or consider anyone else at all"

Tell me who else there is to consider, except for those going faster than about 70, who then only have to overtake. Why do you find it so hard? You might need a motorway lesson from your instructor.

That is a problem. We do not expect "undertaking" because it is prohibited, so "undertaking" is dangerous. I don't mind changing to the inside lane to pass centre lane hoggers but it is awkward to plan when it is busy in that lane.

Undertaking? How would i be 'undertaking' you unless you were going even slower in the overtaking lane?
And if it is busy in that lane it is usually busy in all lanes, at which point switching lanes often, can lead to traffic snarling up behind

I just don't understand how they feel safe trundling along in the centre lane – do they not notice juggernauts bearing down on them in their mirrors?

No, because the juggernauts are going slower than 70 and are usually in the inside lane

Cougar – Member

I drive in the middle lane a lot, and sometimes i overtake people in other lanes.

So do I. However, I also do the same in the other two lanes as well. I'd recommend it.[/quote]

You overtake people when in the inside lane? Well, thanks for your recommendation, but it think that's quite dangerous, besides which, it is prohibited.

Eco Rocks!

nickf – Member
The Magus by John Fowles. Gibberish, pure gibberish. The Dice Man by Luke Rhinehart was equally appalling.

If I was on a long train journey and had NOTHING to do apart from read these books, I'd still put them in the bin.

I liked both those, particularly John Fowles.

Also Midnights Children was awesome.

Agree on Moby Dick though, recommend you do not try again

What i don't get is that all these AWESOME drivers, suddenly get confused and distracted when they have to deal with someone cruising at near the speed limit in the middle lane. I drive in the middle lane a lot, and sometimes i overtake people in other lanes. It's really easy, those who find it a problem should be forced to take another test.

V40

Yes, good stuff. Used to wear it in Denmark

There's a tiny sliver of black at one end, and a tiny one of white at the other, everything else is muddled and grey in between. The people in the slivers are normally quite unpleasant.

Are you saying that black people are unpleasant?

Why this underlying assumption that sex or gender are binary attributes?

I was in a similar position a few months ago. Went for the Nikon D5000.

Very pleased with it, though I don't know how i would have felt with a Canon. Most reviews came down to Canon vs Nikon with some scope for Sony.

The Live View mode was the sticking point for me. Most enthusiasts insisted that it was pointless for taking 'proper' photos, but when learning, sometimes you just want to point and shoot.

Surely perv, but maybe you should check with your missus. She may get a kick out of the idea of someone tearing the head off it whilst looking at her foot.

Oh I wish that was true

were true

"you get what you pay for"

If you're going to take the moral high ground, you better make sure your ass is clean.

Can you categorically state that you have never benefited from the state when you were not fully entitles to? Either by tax avoidance, perhaps paying cash for a job 'cos it's cheaper or claimed unemployment benefit without always actively looking for work or any of a number of small deals which plenty of people use.

Ultimately you asked if you should shop or not, I say 'not'.

Have suffered from back pain since a mis(s)adventure many years back. So any thing, moving too much / too little can have me hobbling. However, on one such occasion, was bullied onto a waltzer, despite my protests and better judgement, when suddenly mid-swing,there was slight pop and my back was fine for years.

Heh! Was thinking Stax or Atlantic!

yeah, that looked strange, only part of the 'million' symbol

That's a million

It's a limited edition version, only 500 made

Are you asking for the US equivalent?