58 now still smashing Strava times!!

Shortbaldone
I have a Crush frame for sale, hardly used, yours for free provided you make a suitable donation to the Michael Bonney trust fund, it’s a 17 with 600mm Vtt in Orange,
Reason for sale is I prolapsed a disc last July and since then rode only full sus
Phwill77 at gmail dot com

I have a medium frame in orange for sale, includes seat clamp, if you want it make me an offer as the proceeds will go to the Michael Bonney Trust fund to help him with his serious neck injury.
Reason for sale is that I prolapsed a disc last July and since have ridden only full sus!
Phwill77 at g mail dot com

As it’ says in my previous post 140 mm travel, to get those angles all the other bikes posted have longer travel !!
Weight is 27.5 lbs 10 speed hope hubs BB Stans tubeless Hope headset stem And brakes, Thompson bars and dropper post excluding pedals
No noise running 10 speed and clutch mech. Join the program !!!

As it’ says in my previous post 140 mm travel, to get those angles all the other bikes posted have longer travel !!
Weight is 27.5 lbs 10 speed hope hubs BB Stans tubeless Hope headset stem And brakes, Thompson bars and dropper post excluding pedals
No noise running 10 speed and clutch mech. Join the program !!!

New version is great, only other with a good geometry as the new Five is a banshee spitfire ( as 140 trail bike)

Cruzcampo ‘s indication is probably the most obvious route the event took, and the simplest , which may well be the truth, sadly only OP knows the truth.

CGG
reason enough,!!

I am lucky to ride with( and nowhere near as good or ever will be) a few of the UKs top national and international downhillers, their skill base never seems to amaze me , one example was this last winter . A wet greasy winter ride with an uncharted ( ie never attempted before) 31 foot ( measured) gap 20 foot up above the road which one of these lads sent, the rewards for failure was head first into a dry stone wall ! That was on an ” ordinary ” Specialised FS 130 travel bike never ridden by the rider before on summer tyres!!!
Maybe, just maybe we worry about the bike a little too much!!!

There are actually very few true 140 trail bikes with the given geometry and overall sizing of the Five or The Spitfire, one usually has to go to 150 or 160 to get the angles they have.
Both are excellent bikes, no question , it’s great to have the choice to suit the parameters of each individuals requirements !!

Not all FS bikes are ridden all year round, many go to hard tails , SS , fat bikes ect in winter to reduce wear and tear on their full sus bikes.
I ride a full sus all year round, so maintenance is a parameter I consider, when buying, as I usually keep frames for 4-5 years.
For the most part, if a reasonable mechanic it is no problem multi or single pivot, however depending on the design the multis, some do need drift tools, bearing extractors to renew bearings, therefore ( for me anyway) that would mean a trip to the LBS, and it always seems to happen at the wrong time!!!

Which bit?
The fact that the Five and the Spitfire have very similar geometry and size, the difference then being the choice or rear suspension, given that the front ends are similar?
Or the fact that the Five would be a sound choice for all year round UK riding, as the degree of pivot maintenance would be easier, quicker and cheaper, that being dependent on that parameter coming into a buying equation?

The five is comparable with the Spitfire not the Rune ( 140 not 160)
The Five (17 inch) has slightly longer top tube, very slightly longer front centre, otherwise the geometry for the 650s are very similar. Choice would depend on fit and how you like the rear suspension, single v multi pivot, most of the time the back wheel follows the front !! So very much a personal choice!!
As an only bike in the UK ridden all year round, the Five would be a sound choice .

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I think you will see 650 DH predominate most of the bigger teams bikes for the 2014, even the STW much hallowed Cotic Soul has gone 650.
For me going from same model 26 to 650b despite still recovering from a prolapsed intervertebral disc, my Strava postings ( for what they are worth) are all improved, given the muscle bulk loss and reduced fitness, please explain how this can be?. However I feel some of it is the geometry of the 650 bike rather than the wheel size per se!

A close mate of mine at uni, the nephew of Peter Boizot the founder of PE, floated PE on the stock market. Made a fortune, it then crashed under the new management, then bought it back into private ownership, rejigged and resold it for a huge amount!!
Clever business strategy if it works!

too hot, will transform the snow low down!! Forecast for more snow next week, great!!

Best Five by far(owned five), longer, as slack and lower than 26 version, but dont get hung up on wheel size as its the geometry that makes the new Five.The front centre is where the extra length is, which helps both downhill and uphill.
I bought frameset, and built it up , 10 speed, hope hubs, Stans rims tubeless, dropper post,27.5lbs without pedals. I run mine with 140 mm fork and it is probably one of the slackest true 140 trail bikes out there.

ah an 8yo Inbred.
Thanks for posting

So post your wonder bike so we know what the best ride!!!

Funny part is I reckon most that post on here will be on 650 (if on trail bikes) when they next change bikes!!

get out there and ride one !!!

Looks ace, stolen a lead on many other frame makers!!

And its more fun as it can tackle even trickier terrain, leaving an even bigger grin on ones face!!

yep the 650 Five is better up along and down!! steep uphil, front does not wander as longer front centre. down, longer front centre puts you further behind the front wheel, weight is more centred on bike therefore grip at both wheels.
Cornering longer wheelbase and lower BB gives more stability.

Had 5 versions of the Five from sub Fives to the new 650 Five, at 27.5 lbs without pedals not exactly heavy(10 speed,dropper post, Stans rims hope hubs, tubeless), it is by far the best Five I have had,it is noticably different. I think it is the geometry that makes it, as much as whatever is gained from the wheel size, front centre is longer, BB lower on a pro rata basis. Used as only bike for everything.

Same problem, spray lube and good blast with compressed air helped !!

Out in Zinal Switzerland, fab area quiet loads of offpiste inbounds or out of bounds, to whatever level you desire including Heli ,
I use a split board which is great for the back country access or walk outs!!
Contact Backcountry adventures for a flavour or follow llnks on mountaintracks web site.

Graham
Yep I would contact Burton directly.
The guy that manufactures the ski jackets lives in the Alps for the season and has done for a few years now (an extremely wealthy man) would never buy a ski jacket for more than £200 !!

A little info on jacket tech
Gortex is patented and is expensive $10 per metre, most of rest is $4-6 per metre and works up to about 80% of Gortex.
There is only one breathability/permeability testing machine in Europe, so probably most manufactures claims are probably suspect!!
Add in a back pack with constricting straps and contact, and all bets are off.
Add in a couple of weeks, wear and tear and high UV and they prob only last 3-4 seasons!!
Info from someone who manufactures ski jackets and sells 1.7m per annum!!

Roverpig

mail me off line as may have something of interest for you
phwill77atgmaildotcom

Believe what you want, but proportinally size for size they be default are different, and as I have twoidentical ” bikes” in the different wheel sizes, they ride like night and day, but what the hell you don’t have to believe me!
Same with windsurfers, snowboards and particularly surfboard design, suble changes in run king length, flat fin placement likewise would make no difference, well in fact they do !!

Yep you could make a longer wheelbase 26 er true, but the BB height would still probably be proportionally higher.
I have a 26 er 140 travel and a 650 140 travel same manufacturer almost identical spec, same size, completely different bikes, if anyone else Tells me there is no difference, then I suggest they buy their next bike on colour alone !!!

compared with stuffing a 650 wheelset into a 26 er frame and claiming its the same as a 650 framed bike

Yep ridden both, Gyro is Xc/trail bike relatively speaking, the 29 er Five quite a lot more aggro, some feel there is quite a lot of swing arm flex, not noticed it myself.
Both very competent, the Five 29 er needs good brakes as it does go very fast when pointed downhill !!
I felt far more secure on the Five 29 on the DH run at Cym Carn
My belief is that in either case spend on good stiff strong wheel sets are a primary requirement probably carbon in order to get the best out of either.
In my opinion the 650 Five is a better all round bike than the Gyro, the Five 29 er is a big strong fast bike, and needs to be treated as such!!

Great news for UK bike industry.
re 650 In fact as usual there is a little more too it than the actual wheel size,
1. longer wheel base on a pro rata basis gives more stability
2. lower BB to axle ratio giving better cornering stability
3. longer front centre (for most part) which give more confidence in fast or steep or technical downhill or all three
4. whatever the claims that the wheel size confers in roll over ect.
incremental change that probably improve handling characteristics, all a matter of personal taste, but if you cannot tell the difference between a 650b and a 26er (in full sus) then its probably not worth making the fuss about rear suspension designs either!!

Its a difficult one with a dog of that age, yes its a life shortening disease but at 15 does that make a massive difference? There are lots of undiagnosed cushings dogs out there tootling along quite happily, a bit pot bellied , increase thirst and appetite and thinish hair coat, many owners put it down to old age.
The drug is not a human product but you can ask for a specific veterinary prescription, however the ongoing costs are the repeat blood sampling in the short term to ascertain the correct dose, once stabilised, sampling goes out to 6 months max.
hope that helps?

In fact as usual there is a little more too it than the actual wheel size,
1. longer wheel base on a pro rata basis gives more stability
2. lower BB to axle ratio giving better cornering stability
3. longer front centre (for most part) which give more confidence in fast or steep or technical downhill or all three
4. whatever the claims that the wheel size confers in roll over ect.
incremental change that probably improve handling characteristics, all a matter of personal taste, but if you cannot tell the difference between a 650b and a 26er (in full sus) then its probably not worth making the fuss about rear suspension designs either!!
So you could get all three parameters on a 26 er apart from the no 2, which to achieve with 175 mm cranks may be tricky.

For Jedi
Take care off piste in La Tour Chamonix Valley as just out of bounds after getting in to the area is a spot called the “scandi trap” numerous have been killed over the years, its a convex roller into a valley, that can slip when just on the cusp of the brow.
I did a back country course with The well regarded Mr McNab and the aforementioned Keith ( who lost his life freeriding offpiste), and we, on the course couldnt wait to rip it up, but he said its looks belie its danger.
Stay safe

I met a one of the reps for Specialized UK riding one of the very rare (in the UK) carbon enduro 29ers and he said the company were definitely looking hard at 650b. that was Nov 2013