Ah, iDave, don’t be like that.

You were being so clever firing UK IT bods and hiring Mr Karachi, whos using his cut of that £600 to put his younger brother through the local Madrassa.

Of course, eventually nobody in the developed world will have work because you and all those other entrepreneurs employ the entire polpulation of the cheapest country in the world.

You are actively promoting the race to the bottom.
Except for yourself.
You’re a winner and you’re going to win over everyone else.
And you’re going to do it by exploiting cheap eastern labour, cos its more money for you.

Can you please outsource yourself.

STW. Can we have someone in China do iDaves job here, instead please.
We can use the cash saved to fix the website.

😀

How do you know that there are beans in the tin?

How do you know how much the tin weighs?

How do you know how much they cost?

LoL !, thats great.
🙂

Don’t you lot, Molgrips, get it ?…

TJ thinks he is uneffected, etc, etc.

Simples !, no need for loads of posts about beans.
Phew-weee

Warton.

Ah, sorry, you are of limited ability to understand the Captain.

You did make me laugh though. Of course, I’ll try not to laugh at you anymore, because of your disability.

Which terrorism do you fund and support ?.

MODS

please ban promote captain_crash

that is all the limit of my ability to contribute

There, fix’d that for you. But if the Mods dont listen, go tell the dinner ladies.

iDave.

Nice try 😉

But read it again and you might see 🙄 I’m referring to people who wear black clothes, and can be seen toting the common-all-garden ak47, ied, (name your preferred ordinance), in that region of the world.

Spend your money in certain parts of the world, and it will be channelled to people you wouldn’t have thought it would be.

Coming on here and bragging about how, while you live and enjoy the benefits of living in nice old blighty, you are unemploying local talent because they are too expensive, and are employing someone a long way away, who may be doing very dubious things with the money you so willingly, cleverly, throw at them.

Its, very amusing, you make me laugh.

And this website. You’ll be using it to sell things to your man in Karachi, or Kensington ?.
😆

Carry on.

iDave.

He won’t tell you the truth.

And those blokes in black ?, they magic money out thin air.
And what do they spend it on ???????

I love knobbers like you, not a thought or a care in the world, you’re just focused on WINNING.

And the men in black know it, and turn it against you.

You amuse me.

Carry on.

New website with eCommerce section – all from scratch with brand new logo design and business style sheet – is £600 reasonable fee for the work? I seem to think it is, just wanted to check.

OK cool, it’s a guy I’ve used a lot in the past with great success, but not for a couple of years. Sweet. I guess office costs in Karachi are a little lower than Harrogate
<retreats and awaits jingoistic and xenophobic assault….>

Whats going here ?, no way I’m reading 7 pages of, errr, guff ?.

iDave.
That £600 quid you are paying your man in Pakistan.
What will happen to that money, where will it go ?.

Graham_S.

Yeap, I understand your point, its a tough one.

Tougher still is trying to get trans-atlantic, etc, concensus on how to control the banks in future as their threat is always that they’ll move away if that get hit with the tax stick, too hard.

But, one could suggest that until the debt it repaid, they haven’t achieved their targets and so no bonuses.

I offer a commensurate salary – without bonus, until the bail out is paid back, as part of a short term solution.

We want our money back, they want to be out of our hands. Round about, we all want the same result. But imo, now is not a time for bonuses

The folk earning bonuses in 2011 are (mainly) people that have successfully met their performance targets for that year. Paying them is rewarding success, not failure.

EDIT: They’ll have achieved their targets when we get our money back, so that we can pay off some of our national debt 😉

But I suppose it depends on how you measure success. Digging yourself out of a hole doesn’t make you a successful digger, just adequate enough to save your skin.

And so your comments ref bonuses prove my point. For what would those people do if you didn’t pay their bonus ?

According to some, they’d jump-ship. So, is it a bonus ?, no, its expected as a vital part of their salary.
No ifs, no buts, I WANT MY BONUS…

So anyway, lets turn the tables here. After all, we’re all in it together.
Where was my bail out in when it all hit the fan ?.
I don’t recall getting a bail out.
And I certainly didn’t / don’t get a bonus for doing my job.

Even so, just go with the bonus thing being taxed the same.

Why not just pay a higher salary then ?.

I’m not out for an argument, people are going to have different opinioins. mine is that there should be no bonuses for the investment banksters at RBS, at least until, they pay us back, first !.
🙂

Bonuses are taxed the same as basic salary, no?
No.

Theres the tapered income tax structure for a start, and NI is now a raw percentage with no ceiling (thanks Gordon 🙁 )
So on a higher salary, they’d pay more tax.

There are loop holes, especially if the bonus is paid in shares or some other indirect format.

But still, we can’t reward failure and this is the general problem with bonuses.

What is paid as bonus first time round is received and viewed as, errr, a bonus.

But thereafter, its expected and counted upon and so at that point, any motivational advantage gained by issuing a bonus to an employee is severely reduced.

So the board tie the bonus into a division of the banks profits and that keeps the investment banksters hungry but also drives them to be wreckless to the point of taking massive risk.

Bare in mind this is RBS. I’ve no problem with bonuses being used within companies that haven’t burdened me and everyone else with the cost of bailing them out.

Had it been any other industry, then they would have surely gone to the wall.

However, on a wider note, bonuses have been identified as a root contributing cause of the fever pitch rush for gold and glory that brought the banks to operate so wrecklessly, ultimately bringing about the Great recession that we are struggling through right now.

And so, should we not question the place of bonuses in this particular industry ?, perhaps one reg that should / could be agreed by the west is that the banking sector can not operate a bonus pay structure ?.
But the salaries for the “worthy” are commensurate with their performance.

There should be no bonus paid by RBS to the bankersters that got us into this mess. (they share responsibility with the politicians of the time who took the tax and eased the regs…)

Foot soldiers, front line staff in the branches, they can have their £1000 bonus.

But not the big guns who made it all go pop ! and then held a gun to the head of Alistair Darling, saying,
“bail us out with tax payers money, or its all over, for everyone”.

If there is a surplus then is should go to repaying the bail out / buying back the shares we hold.

Agree with TJ, they can’t all find jobs in banking, elsewhere.
Call their bluff.

Looking back, it was totally wreckless of the then Gov to go with just one sector, the financial sector.
Focusing only on the tax take and jobs the financial sector created, letting it become the monster it now is.

Who should have been protecting us from the banksters ?, the Govs of the last 40 years. They failed us and now we have the bill.

As for RBS, while they are publically owned, they should be working to repay their debt just as they would tell me to do with a personal loan.
Their bonuses come after.

This does not rule out a remuneration structure which had higher salaries and no bonuses at all.
This way, staff who are generating the profits for debt repayment, can be retained, and they can pay full tax on a full salary.

More from the STW pro Labour party, contributors 🙄

The world isn’t fair, equal, just. This is the way of the world, always has been.

When, I wonder, will lefties get that basic message and stop trying to make the world in their image.

“Rob the rich, give to the poor.” Who says that ?…. The poor do.
Wow, what a shocker !. (not)

Legions of people under the red banner of equality, running around putting the world right.

Heres an idea for you. Instead of picking fault and snearing at people with more than you.
Put your begging bowl down, stop thinking that the rich should have most of it taken away. And get on with enriching yourselves

SpongeBob.
Very well put.

I’ve traded in real time, been sat in front of level 1 data, on the white knuckle ride, blah, blah.

One piece of advise I would give.

Always, always, like 100% always, set a stop and stick to it.
Some trading sites/services now offer intelligent stops that track a price so long as it moves in the direction you want.

BUT !. always set a stop in place.

You’ve been told. Never forget it.

good luck.

we had the most financial stable time under Labour, of course we did cos they spent the next 25 years worth of budgets!

Too right, well put !.

These are the facts. stable growth, low inflation, low interest rates for more than a decade

TJ. Now this is what boils my urine with you. You insult us all by expecting us to swallow that.

Growth came cos GB employed eveyone. How on earth were we to keep going with so many people working for the government ?.

Low inflation ?, yeah, well only after GB decided to start using a different index, moving away from the RPI and using CPI…..
WHY ?, to suit and to hide his wreckless spending.
And you try to fool us into not seeing this.
You’re not the only person to have been living in the UK since 1996, and I have to point out that your recollection and selection of certain economic facts go only to suit your side of the arguement. Therefore by your very biased perspective, your comments are not taken seriously.

GB was a total borrow and spend freak and you know it.

How in the world did GB think he had the right to borrow and spend so much in my name ?.
The short answer is he didn’t.
I recall listening to radio interviews where when he was asked about the massive debts he was getting us into, he replied by pointing out that other countries had greater deficits / debts.
WTF !, so he was saying that its OK, I’m gonna borrow and spend some more !!!
Totally bonkers and you know it.

Just when was the NU-Labour borrowing party going stop ?, when we all worked for the state ?, when we reached economic meltdown as they have in Greece ?.
You’re away with the fairies if you think Labour ever had a clue.

Your NU-Labour economic growth was funded by borrowing, we all know it, yet you seek to portray this in an uneven and deceptive fashion to support your own political leanings.
Its really very sad.

Almost as sad as the realisation that you’re too old and set in your ways to see the truth as regards Labour and their endemic short comings born of their idealogical baggage.

And after 13 years of messing it all up ?, yeah, right, someone, the tories, anyone. They’re going to fix it all in less than a year ?.

Please, get a grip, this mess, the mess 13 years of Labour brought us to, isn’t going to be cleared up in 11 months now, is it.
😉

Different factory, and let’s just say our QC documentation and standards are constantly being updated.
We now have TWO fulltime staff in Taiwan keeping a very close eye on all this.

Might be easier if you had your frames made in the UK then.

Stoner.

You are stupids, take it somewhere else.

Binners.

Exactly. You have hit the nail on the head. All these countries are sending out the SOS, but as soon as Germany says.
“OK, we’ll back-you-up when you go to the bond markets, but then we want you to behave as we do, or as we say“

Then thats when the friction sets in cos no one wants to be told how to run their country, especially if it isn’t aligned to their poilitical persuation.

So you have economic mad member states getting into trouble with the banksters, then crying into their beer and asking for help, then giving the two fingered salute when you try to impose fiscal lending conditions to avoid it happening again.

This is why, imo, unless there is a federal ECB controlling the macro fiscal policy of all “Europe”, then this aint gonna work.

Mrs T saw this way back in the 80s and wanted nothing to do with it.
Her actions and words from the time, appear spookily prophetic now, and make you wonder/appreciate just how savy she may have been.

Gordon kept us out of the Euro for different reasons, but at the moment, I’m glad he did. Yeah, sure, we’re still having to take the pain of the bail-out. We’re borrowing money to lend to Ireland.
But beacuse we kept the Pound, we’re able to set our own house in order.

Look back to the 80s and 90s, and you’ll see alot of the political big names of today, slagging off the then Euro sceptics for keeping us out of the Euro.
Now they’re probably glad that we’re not.

Binners.

No, I wasn’t passing judgment on our society, etc, etc.

The Euro, has been handed/rolled out to several countries who like to do different things with their money.

Like for example, running two sets of account (unfecking believeable that a state would do that), and give everyone jobs working for the state, that they don’t actually do, or for which they receive mahoosive pensions 😯

Or, Allow loads of lending to fund massive private property buidling projects, which end up being bulldozed into the ground when no one can buy them, due the need to introduce osterity measures.

And on and on it goes.

Basically, the Euro hasn’t worked because there is no federal fiscal policy. The ECB kept interest rates low, and some countries then spent like mad, while others were more prudent.

Its a mess now, and those in the know and on the media, are now numbering the remaining days of the Euro. So to speak.

The Euro probably will not work or even survive, unless their is pan-european fiscal policy set by one body.
This will probably require full federalization of the EU. And basically, I don’t think thats going to happen.

The way that the USA evolved into what it is today, I think, was/is a one off. I can’t see Europe being able to emulate it, effectively.

You need a political sweep-up, clear out all the state parliments and replace with one Euro parliment. Well, we have part of that already, but there are still 23-odd chancellors (one in each state) setting national fiscal policy, which in turn is usually subverted to serve the politcal will of the incumbent political party of a particular member state.

The only reason Greece, Ireland and probably the others can still borrow money when their current arrangements expire, is because the bond markets can see, for now at least, that Germany will back up the rescue fund, along with France and the UK.
But, should anyone of those three put their hands up and say.
“we aint giving anymore bail-out cash over”, then it all falls over in my opinion.

So question is, will Germany and the UK just keep on tipping into the rescue fund to bail out Greece, Ireland, Portugal, Spain, Italy and Belgium ?. Handing German and UK tax payers the bill ??.

Tough call.

EDIT: And all the while, the banksters are demanding high returns on bonds and lower bond prices, really putting the squeeze on Europe.

Anyone wanna buy a currency

Haven’t read the link yet. but thats exactly the problem.
The bond markets have sniffed blood and a way to make even more money, so they have the day-glow crayons out and are drawing huge question marks on the map of Europe.

This is what comes when you hand a currency over to countries that couldn’t do much with their previoius ones, and tell them that its backed up by the economic power house that is Germany.

The Germans are spitting feathers over this one, as all bail outs lead back to them. They are the only bunch powering their way out of the great reccession.

Where as the FTSE recently reached the April peak, then pulled back, the DAX has powered on.

Lately there have been some threads on STW knocking Thatcher.
Perhaps they don’t realize that She tried to keep us out of the Euro, then Gordon picked up from where she left off, and if Gordon got one thing right, just one, its was that he kept us out of the Euro.

I always said it wouldn’t work, I may have been right about that, although I always suspected it would have been Italy that would have mashed it up.

I would never have guessed just how stupid Greece and others were with their Euros.

Total mess now.

Angela is calling for the Bond markets to take the risk, not just the tax payer.
Sounds good on the face of it, but ultimately, its a dead end as if you increase the risk for Pimco, they’ll just increase their margins, making it even more expensive for Govs to borrow.

The banker always wins 🙁

Hence the term, Bankster.

yoshimi – Member
I charge mine at work:)

That, is excellent 😀

Its all OK really, they’re totally safe. The light wont fail while you’re out on a ride, the battery wont give up, and the charger wont burn your house down and explode the national gas supply.
And you don’t double the risk by buying two, cos they are such a bargain.

And anyone who sells a light not from China, that costs more than £50.

IS RIPPING YOU OFF. Cos your not getting anything more.

Cool.
Chinese lights allround please.

PSA.
All UK light manufacturers, infact all UK manufacturers.
Please stop what you’re doing and proceed to your nearest DWP offices and claim JS.
No one here is buying British, your FIRED !.

EDIT: There are too many claiming ownership of the bstid light for them all to be strapped to £200 hard tails.
Some folk are riding 2K bikes with a £50 light strapped to it.

Very amusing. Perhaps we could have a picture thread.

“show us your expensive bike with bastid attached”
😆

All this just to have a cheap light eh ? 😉

WHAT a bargain. £50 for a light, then its Russian roulette as to whether your house burns down with you and your family inside.

But at least you got a cheap light out of it, and the £150 odd you saved is well worth the risk.

tsk 🙄

Of course, we all know how quick Americans can be, to telephone a lawyer, hence why a US distributor would be issuing a recall.

I wouldn’t like to be in the UK distributors shoes.

Buy cheap, buy twice… IF you live !.

Way too cryptic for a PF.

Can’t you just e-mail each other ?.

the uk just needs something to specialise in…

Sorry Rob2, don’t agree. We specialized in financial services, as Poppa says, at the expense of other sectors.

Now look at us.

BBC R4 Today, business news, earlier this week, Tuesday I think.

If I can be 4rsed, I may try to post something you can read.

I’m not on a totally anti China mission, everyone gets hungry, but looking at how much trouble the US got into with China, we’d be foolish, imo, not to look at that and learn.

The US owes China loads of money, and because no one there buys Made in America anymore, the US economy is having trouble dealing with the debt for lack of a healthy balance of sectors each contributing to the economy there.

Germany had watched the UK experiment for decades, and when it went pop ! in our faces a couple of years ago, they sat back and quietly congratulated themselves for not following our economic model.

Yes, Germany is in hard competition with China, but at least they have something to sell, that the world wants, and not just financial services.
They continue to be a successful exporter for going to the quality end of the market.
Everyone knows German goods arent cheap, but they still sell stuff, which is why economically, they’re doing OK right now, besides being strong enough to bailout Greece, etc.

Go figure.

Poppa.

Only kidding. I understand where you are coming from, but you don’t do yourself any favours by sounding so, well, mental.
Ok, I’ll take the mental comment (slightly amused by how you put it)in exchange for your trying to understand where I’m coming from (no pain no gain to get understood).

I think the demise of UK manufacturing is a lot more complex than blaming it on MTBers for buying Chinese lights

Fair play, I don’t wont to flame fellow rider and DX light lovers, but the DX light strikes me as a good example to point out that just cos something is cheap, doesn’t make it good. From an economic prespective, ie, UK jobs.

government policy and the general lack of respect afforded to engineering disciplines in the UK. They seem to be doing OK in Germany.
In a lot of ways you have hit the nail on the head there, imo.

CC posts a lot on light threads.

Poppa, you are Sherlock Holmes and I claim a new set of violin strings.
🙄

I post on other thread too, but what I see is this DX light is a good example of whats wrong with global economics, and UK buying habits.

today we will learn about the Pain that is to come via the spending review. How many people on here are going to moan about that ?.

But getting back to global economics, the current situation is at a time when China is still expanding. Wait til China catches cold, and their currency depreciates. There is a mountain of Chinese workers yet to be mobilised, who will work so cheap, you wouldn’t believe it.

You aint seen nothing yet.

I like all the opinions about me.

Posted by idiots who can’t answer the 240 billion going to China from UK, and only 100 billion coming from China to UK.
(But who are black belts in the art of the forum flame off.)
To complicated for ya, innit, cos you love cheapness like a crack addict loves, errr, crack.

Go on, tell me what your job is and how you would like it if people turned to you and said.
“you cost too much, I can buy what you make cheaper from Mr Wong…..YOU ARE FIRED !”

Come on DX light lovers, tell us how you’re putting british workers our of a job for cheap chinese goods. Not just lights, how about shoes.
Who is wearing a british shoe right now !……

UK cars ?, the last mass producer, Rover, is in the hands of a Chinese company. Luverrly example there.
What are all those ex-Rover workers doing now ?.

This isn’t about lights, its about the UK blindly going down the same road the US did, buying cheap from China has smashed their own economy to the cost millions of jobs.
Is this what we want for the UK ?.

For all the people here who are giving a big up for DX lights.

You are aware that recent figures showed, we the UK spent 240 billion with China, you know, buying china goods.
For the same period, china bought 100 billion from UK.

If that sort of thing continues, where is that going to leave the UK ?
Any of you DX light lovers aware of whats happening in the US ?.
Do you know that the US is now so skint, it can only buy from China, and as a result, US manufacturing is being wiped out.
Why do you think the US is making noises about China not appreciating its currency ?.

Nope !, can’t be bothered about all that, you are to busy fixing your batteries and watching the charger hoping it isn’t going to burn your house down.

Obviously the people here who like to buy cheap chinese lights have jobs that can not be taken away by a man in China, willing to work for <$2 a day, so you continue to buy while wearing the biggest set of blinkers you can manage.
One day though, all the jobs China can suck out of the UK will be gone, and then those who have been put out of work by China are going to offer to do your job for less. Or you are going to have to pay even higher taxes to help support all those people who have been put out of work, cos johnny england likes to buy cheap, he likes to buy chinese.

And as for people who like “mucho cheapness”, ha, ha, thats really short sighted.

Spokeshirts makes me laugh. Imagine a light vendor, operating at the lower end of the market……posting a comment that lights over £250 can’t be worth it. No conflict of interest there then
🙄
hilarious.

All you DX owners, you are all riding Tesco bikes, aren’t you ?.
I mean, no one would fit a £50 light to their 2K mountain bike, would they…

Take a moment to look at the US economy, see how blindly buying and filling their boots with Chinese goods, has screwed them into a cocked hat.

Hope vision 4 here. British developed, British made.

Muppets

You pay, and in future, look after your stuff. Let this be the reason why !.

I have a supply of 4Ah 1.2V NiMH 4/3A cells

I can build you pack up if you want, it will come fitted with both thermal and over-current protection.

I tried the RS single cell solution and it worked for 15mins!

FFS, just go to the fella with the batteries and the knowledge.
🙄

Z1ppy.

You really are STW’s premium twankunt. Every fookin light related thread you don’t turn up and spout off about the bastid light.

Like you’re not on commision for all the millions of posts you contribute to, with your one free hand, going on about the bastid light.

My Dx is still going strong !!

The charger was a pile of c@@p but smudge sorted me with a fine replacement.

FFS !. Theres always something wrong with those **** lights. Thank your lucky stars for Smudge, is all I can say.

Tell me one thing, how do you reconcile the fact that you are exploiting chinese workers who earn less than $2 a day, in order that you have you bastid light ?.

Yeah, I know, you’re skint, probably mortgaged to the eyeballs to the point where you can only buy cheap chinese made goods.

Then you harp-on about how clever you are for avoiding import duty.
Oh how wonderful. You exploit low paid workers and avoid paying tax.

You are Phillip Green and I claim my $2

Most of the lads I night ride with went with DX lights last year. Not one set survives intact today. Dead batteries, faulty chargers, cracked lenses, etc etc etc.
Serves them right for believing the myth that £50 gets you years of night riding. Mugs !.

Buy cheap, buy twice !.

Oh and Z1ppy, You can stick your magicshine, when the sun doesn’t !

CC.

Useful ?, USEFUL !.

Nah, more than useful.

Its a lifestyle, innit.

***for the insane***

😉

I reckon Mike_P has it about right:

Serves you right a) for being so lazy

You ride a bike, repairing it goes with the territory, MTFU, or get ripped off and then whinge about it here.

🙄

Just out of curiousity, What bike do you ride ?

CC

oh and your previous strawman was also really good

IIRC, last time I exchanged posts with you was when you were beating-up on someone for divulging one of your secret, free parking spaces near Afan.

Like a cheap bully, you pull a knife, but when someone turns round and pulls a sword, you start to cry.

You're hillarious. I'm laughing.
😆

Have you ever tried contributing on here, in a positive way ?.

Yes, the title for this thread included the all important '?'.
Clear for all to see, the OP was canvasing opinion.
But don't let that get in your way of trying to flame someone.

CC.

LOL at "Captain-Crash" and "iDave" thinking there's something weird about having "stitches" as a nickname

Computer geek runs around in red dress answering to the name "Stitches" while chasing a line of flour on the ground, before breaking into song with half pint of shandy in his hand.
Does so to make friends, since hes too scared to ride his bike.

PMSL @ aracer

I'm up for live and let live, and if hashing is for some of the folk on here, thats great.
But then to try to knock someone cos they know themselves well enough to realise that something isn't for them, without needing to try it.
Is really narrow minded, judgemental.
🙄

CC.

Do you get this judgemental and prejudiced about everything you haven't actually tried

What like poking myself in the eyes with hot needles…..Hhmmmmm.

Something tells me that I don't need to try that, to know its not for me.
🙄

Of course, we're not all box-tickers though. Stitches…***cringe***

CC.

I hope all those holier-than-thou people out there realise that about 1 in 6 of their pension pounds is invested in BP?

Good post.

As for the share-buying advice ?, well, as the old saying goes:

"Never try to catch a falling knife"

Capt C.

Now, that looks much better. Very original
🙂

We'll wait to see how this one turns out

CC.

BM.

Happy to be of some use to you. Perhaps you needed cheering up.

Of course I can use stronger language, but is there really any point ?.
🙂

CC.