Recession and job loses,whens it going to end………………..

When you lot start buying British !.

If there is no work where you live and work in other places MOVE!!! Get off your arse and go.

As for other areas it was obvious that we needed less Public Sector middle managers and bull s******s and more useful and productive people
THIS ^^^^

Is it a good thing that few people work in those conditions today – No

Very sorry, but what most seem to overlook is that A LOT of people still do.

We’ve only re-located those jobs to cheaper, as dirty, parts of the world.
While we still benefit by receiving the goods from India and China.

The mighty west is the puppet of Israel.

Our governments are held to ransom by the Jewish lobby.

It is, that simple.

Pro Israel types learnt some time ago, it was better to pull the strings of power from the back corridors of Westminster and Congress. than to bomb the west into submission…

All manner of lobbying goes on, I find the practice mostly disstastful.
However, I very much dislike the way we are soft on Israel, epscially in light of recent issues to do with UK passports and Mossad hit squads…

At the end of the day it’s a bike light for £30 ,whats the worse than can happen?

(Oh,death. Caused to the light failing at 25mph down hill in the wood’s miles from home

Finally, someone has said it. Someone who knows quality.

Right, I’m off to work.
Byeeee

for 30 squid it’s hardly a massive rip off is it…

Depends on your point of view.

Not very good news for UK made stuff, is it.

I suppose your job can’t be out sourced to China.
How nice that must be for you.

***wonders if all the people buying 30 quid lights, ride 200 quid bikes***

Currently I think the market is overpriced and I am expecting a correction. But, who knows how long the madness can continue.
They are just bloating the suckers up for the maximum payoff when they rip the rug out from underneath the unwarey.

Also, Although it is now June, don’t forget the old saying

“Sell in May, go away, come back on St Ledgers day.”

I’m feeling bearish, so would only consider taking out short positions at the moment.

Oh, look !, its STW. Whats the time ?.

Its FLAME O’clock.

Same Shit, another day…

Its not difficult to spot the people on here who don’t drive / own a car.

Of course, its them that don’t mind seeing the price of fuel rise ever higher and see the UK car driver suffer.

Yet listen to them bleet when others have a contrarian opinion on a subject that DOES effect them and the way they chose to live their lives.

Anyone for a 5000 pound a year ownership tax for tandem bikes ?.

Yeah, I wonder who’d get upset then…..

Can’t any of you car haters see further than just your needs.

Thats not a question. I know you can’t.

In your tiny minds, everyone should get a job just round the corner from where they live and wear bamboo sandles to work.
And thats the amusing bit. Cos if some of those car drivers did ditch the car.
Then the car ex-owners would apply for your sorry job and shown up for the feckless gits you are, you useless lot.

Carry on !.
🙄

dealextreme magicshine light problems

Sorry, but this happens so much, it really is a joke.

You will get it fixed, some how, no doubt.

BBC2. The Chinese are coming………………..

The irony is that the 4% inflation figure announced today doesn’t even include the cost of housing! It was the Conservatives that removed this many years ago

WHOA !

Thats utter twoddle. Gordon decided that he would move to using the CPI rather than the RPI. That happened on his watch. FACT !.

In his Pre-Budget Report statement on 10th December 2003 Gordon Brown the Chancellor of the Exchequer changed the Governments inflation target to a new base the Harmonised Index of Consumer Prices HICP which has been renamed the CPI. The level of the new CPI inflation target for the Bank of Englands Monetary Policy Committee MPC was set at a symmetrical 2 with immediate effect.

That was Gordon Brown, its out there as fact, don’t be pinning that one on anyone else other than Gordon.
🙂

Along with his time machine moment when he told everyone that we weren’t where we thought we were the in the economic cycle, but that we were actually…somewhere else…

Ole GB was very tricksy, he was.
😉

Anyway, red, blue, yellow, they’re all puppets to the likes of Rothschild!

One of the best one-liners I’ve ever read on here. I was just thinking about the Rothschild story, yesterday.

You’d never get away with it now, of course…

Good post Spongebob.

We are deadlocked thanks to the wastefulness of politicians over the past 30-40 years, who used our money and things such as the proceeds of North sea oil to bribe the electorate. We could have built nuclear power stations and held on to our utility companies. We could have done all sorts of things to put us in a strong position, but successive governments have sold off the family silver and sold you and me down the river

Interesting observation. Consider, 100 years ago, Westminster was frequented by a lot of industrialists, and the UK was a major manufacturer and exporter.

Now Westminster is full of solicitors, and all we have now is the banking sector to rely on for an unhealthy chunk of the GDP/revenue, as you point out.

Is there a corallation ?…

The BoE are going to let inflation do its work, cos its the preferred outcome over….. deflation !!. And if they push the economy too far right now, thats what we could have.
Given the unappealing choice between inflation and deflation, the current thinking is that inflation is the lesser of the two evils.

Ben and Merv have decided that we’re going to gently inflate our way out of this mess, hence QE. Prices are going to go up, but my wages will not.
At that point, any sensible person won’t be borrowing, but will be living within their means…

Inflation in the early 80s hit around 22% IIRC.

I’m working class, if ever I forgot that, now I’m going to be reminded and stomped right back down into the gutter, where I came from…My wages will not increase significantly, while prices for everything I thought I deserved will once again float way up out of reach.

Ha, ha, the rich win, again. Perhaps I should re-train to become a bankster.
😈

And for the political contributors wondering whether it was Brown or Osbourne, etc, then someone else coming along to remind us that it can’t be Browns fault cos it was a global thingy…..

Well, Germany hasn’t done so badly… Of course, they didn’t go completely insane, silly, with cheap money and expensive housing, blah, blah. Someone there must have looked at the global economy and unlike our then Chancellor, decided that things looked just a bit too dodgey for them.
And reward for Germany being “Prudent” ?, its now the bail-out fund for over spending EU countries. Sound familiar ?.

Oh, and another thing, recent figures for GDP downturn seemed to implicate that imports had a significant impact.
Too many Brits buying cheap Chinese goods…………….have we covered that one yet?…

OP, you’re kinda there. in simplistic terms, which is where it should stay, otherwise this will get dragged down into another flame-off…

When Nu-Labour got in with Tony and Gordon, they inherited a surplus. Which while not a good thing in itself, is better than inheriting a deficit, imo.

I recall that by the end of their time in the mid 90s, the Cons were as deaf and as arrogant to the wants of the people, as Labour was last year when they lost the GE. This seems to indicate that when a party is in power for too long, it all turns to poo.

“Absolute power corrupts absolutley”, etc, etc. And neither the COns nor the Labs are immune to this.

Labour have now spent too much, hence the massive, record, deficit we have now.
As you have correctly observed, Labour are hopelessly addicted to borrowing and spending. Its woven into their philosophical DNA.

The cons may be no better, swinging the pendulum in the opposite direction.

Most of the “isms” have appeared to have failed. Capitalism seems to be the last man standing and while being far from perfect, is all we appear to have at this time.

So yes, Labour always spend too much, telling the people that big brother the State will wipe their backsides for them.

And the Cons probably cut too far, eventually, although current cuts are necessary. I fear though that in 8 years time, etc, if the Cons are still in number 10, then cutting will probably start to go too far, and by that time, they’ll be as deaf and as arrogant…etc, etc.

CW is good, agreed, but I enjoy Mr Winston Wolf too !.

“I like oak, myself”

Oh, and..

“Pretty Please with sugar on top. Clean the F***** car”

I still want to know whats in the case.

Tsk !, these threads are always about Charlie.

BBQ anyone ?

If anyone is making a profit I’m off before TJ gets here.

LoL @ PC, Excellent.

Back to the old ‘Yeti must be a man assumption’

Nope, there must be mummy yetees too, err, I guess.
😳

It was Charlie that I was thinking is a Man

Ahem..
He doesn’t look the best in lycra though

iDave.

Thats bl00dy brilliant

😉

Oh, and actually, you started all this, not me !.

righter of wrongs and a guardian of moral standards

A noble cause….completely wasted here on STW, the land of the Wikipedia expert as Mr Nutt points out.

He doesn’t look the best in lycra though

Oooh !, lets see your lycra piccy then 😉

Personally I don’t think any man looks good in lycra, which is why I’d never, ever, wear it.

Strange that, Charlie normally can bicker with the best of em

Ah !, so Charlie has been exposed as the real Bicker Man.

Do you have medals, or… trophies made from body parts ? 😯

Prove it !, get to google NOW !

LoL @ CM

😆

Start with trying not to post “sorry” until you’ve finished your 4th can of larger, its 1:00am and you’re upto your 30th post.
😉

Oh, and exercised several swear filter avoidance techniques

Charlie.

You’re not supposed to surrender so early.

You must try to bicker, harder !.

No.

But loads here suffer from a need to try to finish “it”

PeterPoddy.

Well put.

TJ.

USA are in currency war with the rest of the world, and wish to work their way out of recession by selling stuff, so Ben fires up the printing press and floods the world withmore reserve currency.

I just can’t be 4rsed with you, you’ll never accept the truth.
For someone so diligent in googling the facts you seem to consistently fail to see Labours short comings while gettin busy flaming the tories.
Its so one sided as to be almost comical.

In all other matters you appear to try to hold a balanced view but when it comes to the tories, its just too much for you to resist.
Fortunately, most people on here are savy enough not to listen to you on this matter.

buyeee 😉

Hang on. The recession was caused by Labour then? Not a world wide economic crisis that’d been brewing for 20 years? Wow.

No. Labour, The Tony and Gordon show should have been preparing us for what was building up, boom to a bust.

But what did Gordon do ?, he borrowed MORE !, to win votes and give more money away.

Theres a saying, Gordon may well have like to listen to:

In times of peace, prepare for war !.

Gordon didn’t and so when the world caught cold, we got dragged down with it.

Of course, Grumm would have Labour in power still, and all those things Ed is saying Labour got wrong, well, he wouldn’t be saying that and it would be “carry on”.

You conveniently forget that the markets were circling the UK, waiting to see if they could give us the Greece, or Ireland treatment.
Which is what would have happened if borrow and spend Labour had, some how, stayed in power.

Thank goodness they are gone for now, and long may they stay in opposition.

They couldn’t control their spending in the 70s, and they got it wrong again since 1997.

But of course, the Tory haters will all forget this and woffle on anyway.

Carry on Labour loving loonies.
🙄

How would overspending cause a recession?

Well, that just about sums up the Pro left, tory haters here.

TJ, Grumm, you haven’t a clue 🙄

as demonstrated here:
[Um lots of economists were predicting that such drastic cuts as the government is carrying out would greatly increase the risk of a double dip. Looks like they were right.

Yeap, thats right, cos of course, you’d never be able to find an economist who would say what you wanted to here, and they never ever disagree with each other.

Bet you can’t find an economist who said we wouldn’t DD…
Tsk, numpties 🙄

Just more insults from the Pro leftis here who think they can fool everyone here into thinking Labour are the best thing since sliced bread.

TJ and Grumm in “we hate the Tories” and heres why you should too, SHOCKER !!

So, it seems theres “working away”, and theres working away.

I’ve had to do it the hard way, no Xs, no assistance, forever !.

Looks like theres some soft types on here, or am I just hopelessly bitter and twisted…..

You sound like you’re young, if you’ve not done it, try it.
It might just toughen you up, a bit.
😈

Loads of us work away from home.

We don’t see our families, we don’t get to ride our bikes !.

Its the rat race don’t you know.

The bills must be paid, its how the working man is kept in his place.

MTFU and suck it up, butter cup.

Join the rest of us miserables who “live” on the road.

Guess they are going to have to let inflation run amok for a bit then…

cep that some want to head inflation off at the pass with a round of interest rate increases, which will absolutely crucify the man in the street.

🙁

but there is a shortfall in this countries, It appears that the shortage is driving the outsourcing rather than the other way round

Yes !, but why on earth aren’t any of your companies training people, err, like school leavers ?.

It use to work in them olden days you know.

Think they may have called it an….apprenticeship.

If people in this country are too selfish to offer training and recruit with the UK, then thats a very sorry state of affairs.

As the Chinese/Indian internal market grows, demand for programming skills will increase. The value of the Pound/Euro/Dollar will only weaken over time. At some point, it will be more cost-effective to hire British/European/American programmers.

What a load of bull !.

how on earth you sit there thinking you can predict the rise or decline in a currency, 10 years from now !.
🙄

You do know that China is fixing its currency ?.

Anyway. Finally, people in the UK are starting to look up the road and see whats coming.

Years ago we were sold “Globalisation” and were told it would be good for us. The Eastern economies could take on the old, dirty, heavy industries and we would move into the skills based services and Tony Blairs favour term “Value added” work.

Of course, Mr Singh and Mr Wang were never going to be happy being the dirty engine room of the world, and rightly so, they had aspirations to do what we do. White collar jobs performed by educated, skilled people.

Problem is, the west has certain expectations, certains costs of living. Costs that are way higher than those in the East.
And its mainly living costs that drive a mans wage demand, right ?.

And so heres the flaw in the Globalisation plan we were all told would be so good for us.

Of course, if you are in business then exploiting cheap labour and low tax rates offered by the East, so that you can sell to the high price paying west, is a dream come true.

What a mess. This isn’t just IT, this is nearly any industry that isn’t bolted to the floor. It’ll all go east.

I’ve not a problem with China and India getting in on the world trade scene, etc. But its hardly a level playing field, is it.

And so I really worry for school leavers today.

Bored now.