Don’t think like that, if you want to chat about dyspraxia….and swap our experiences about it let me know.

Really, the more as a child I was told that I was crap at this or that…the more I rallied against it. I changed a lot of my problems and it strengthened my personality.

Practicing flight simulators, the piano, cycling and cricket did a world of good for me. I’ve found various coping mechanisms to write essays and deal with paperwork disorganization etc that has meant old school teachers/employers/other academics didn’t notice my chaotic life.

You know I landed an aircraft (cessna) the first time I flew it….damn right that’s hardcore for a dyspraxic/ex-dyspraxic. Considering I couldn’t kick a football very well until year 9.

I just had a strange neuro development as a child and the more people told me that I wasn’t very good at sport…the harder I tried and the more I threw myself into thins that demanded good co-ordination in an attempt to prove myself…..seems to fit in with the theory I ascribe to that the brain is very plastic (nature vs nurture).

playing the same ones for 12years rings alarm bells too – obsession?)

Nahh, I’ve taken quite a few years out. Just have an xbox and a few of the big titles at the moment. The only thing I have still is a bit of disorganization – cluttered mind etc… xbox’s tend to get knocked over when me and my mates are pissed out our faces playing Fifa.

I used to do a bit of gliding and I sure as shit wouldn’t have been able to do that and keep my situational and spatial awareness if I was still particularly dyspraxic. Nor would I be able to judge distance accurately when shooting.

Wait till Valve release their console….gonna be saaweeeeet!

Win – I’ll be buying that if the implementation is any good and it’s cheaper than buying a decent pc….especially If I can play Company of Heroes on it. I know loads of ex pc gamers who would.

I thought you making a comment about my typing duirdh….

took me a bit by surprise as I did have dyspraxia when I was about 8 or 9. I was a clumsy fooker up until I was about 13 – when I came into my own in sports and started doing well in school cricket etc.

Computer games actually helped me.

Ah.. Bwaarp, you’re dyspraxic.. fair enough.

Eh….I just type fast as I’m thinking…..I tend to write as the words come into my head…between flitting through journal papers etc….so I edit a lot.

Although I was classed as dyspraxic when I was very small – my reactions and hand-eye caught up though. Otherwise I wouldn’t be able to shoot a gun for shit – or be half decent at riding a bicycle.

Steam isn’t – I really am rather hoping the loss of the second hand games market will result in games with 15 hour play times and shite multiplayer being roundly destroyed by critics and consumers.

I really want console developers to be releasing more sandbox tools like powerful map/mission editors to extend the value of the games, like we are used to in the pc market.

I get some pretty good buys off xbox live, never anything as drastic as 59.99….new games are always quite expensive (full retail price, so around 39.99)

f your CD scratches that easily, why not send it back?

I’ve had pc games and various consoles for about a 12 years now – all of them….once in a while have scratched a cd of mine. Not to mention the fact that if you knock the device whilst slighhtly it’s reading the cd… they go ape shit and eat the cd for lunch.

I do understand people wanting to sell on games that they’ve played….but I try not to purchase games that have short life spans…..I like re-playability…so that I can come back to them down the line when I feel like. I find you hardly get enough money to justify selling games second hand.

Perhaps the destruction of the 2nd hand games market will force games developers to produce games with longer shelf lives.

just ridiculous….

if they do insist on this and the PS4 doesn’t have this ‘feature’ it’ll wipe the floor with the new XBOX from a sale point of view…..

It’s been going this way for a long time. Many people don’t buy hard copies of games now, I used to buy the majority of my pc games over steam and now I buy the majority of my games directly through the Xbox marketplace.

I got irritated with the fact that cd’s get scratched very easily, even by the PC/Xbox cd drives. I’ve never had that problem with buying my games online and when my home net connection has gone down, I’ve just used my phones 3g connection to connect to the net (and even then only when my steam offline mode was bugged).

I’m going to be getting back into my pc games instead of getting a new console because I’m tired of the easy as hell, mass market games eg COD. I miss good strategy games. Most console games bore me into a coma these days.

For some reason this reminded me of Catcher in The Rye.

That is all.

I applaud you Bwaarp and thank you. I was brought up catholic but lapsed a long time ago and now consider myself an atheist but my parents are still very much in the church as are a lot of people I care about.

I didn’t lapse because of the terrible indiscretions of the church but it certainly made it easier.

It’s ok mate, I understand this is a sensitive issue and better left out of a forum to be dealt with in other avenues of public discourse.

It’s in the interests of the community for members to be able to come on to the forum and not see things that are hurtful.

It was stupid of me to write the OP in the first place – I reported my thread so it should be locked soon.

That’s just blatantly offensive and it does suggest that the whole church is like this.

Apologies on that posters behalf Geetee as I started this thread. I can understand why you would find that offensive.

I do however think that some of the followers could do more to push for change in catholic church though.

But that’s a long way from trying to tar all Catholics.

The mod’s should lock this thread – I don’t want to hurt the community by making you all bitter at each other.

Apologies to all.

I’m not offended at all, why should I be. He appears to have offended you however.

Youve created the straw man

Whatever.

The thread seems to be a vehicle for your own prejudices

Your offended by my problem with Dawkins? :mrgreen:

I don’t think anyone has tarred all religious people with the same brush yet.

I have no useful contribution to make

Well….figureheads of a organization followed by millions and millions throughout the world and all that.

Of course your right though, there are plenty of good religious folk and institutions (eg the CofE) including swathes of the Catholic community who would be appalled by this.

Why do you keep mentioning Dawkins?

I don’t know, as an example of an evangelizing atheist and someone I don’t particularly like?

Can I also just say that the way some people and tarring the whole church because of the comments of a few is blatant prejudice. It’s a bit like saying all black men are rapists because of one report of that happening.

Yes but it this case it’s a bit like the NAACP announcing that they like rape.

Time magazine as well, granted that it seems to be fairly old news.

Islam doesn’t seem to have these ethical dilemmas,not in Saudi anyway

And this thread just hit an even darker level.

This absurd and ridiculous decision isn’t a reflection on the power of the church imo, but the opposite – its weaknesses. Most catholics and/or Brazilians will see it for what it is – an absurd and ridiculous decision, that can only undermine the credibility of the church’s hierarchy.

I really hope you are right.

But in the eyes of the atheists they haven’t punished her.

Really???? I think atheists can see the punishment without themselves believing in god – if excommunication is a big deal to those involved.

It’s also the moral philosophy underpinning the decision that gets under my skin though. This kind of thinking ends up legitimizing these views in the eyes of religious idiots everywhere.

Starbuck from BSG, the woman that is. Not the man in the 1970’s version.

Are you not exhibiting a bit of moral absolutism yourself there?

I’ve already forgiven them which will hurt them far more than running amok in the Vatican.

Good point.

Which ones are those.

The ones that can read articles accurately ?

My mistake, I still think it’s just as outrageous that they excommunicated the mother and the doctors. My outrage meter went berserk. :mrgreen:

Other than that, those who made the point that if your an atheist you shouldn’t care that they were excommunicated. Fair point, although I’m willing to bet the poor mother was hurt by it going on my experience with Brazilians.

A lot of people still take their faith very dearly and I’m sure issues like this cause a lot of harm emotionally in the religious world – an organization treating people with such contempt disgusts me. The leaders of various churches seem to be hell bent on making themselves irrelevant as fast as possible.

This kind of crap would make me go postal in the vatican if I had a terminal disease, I really mean that.

The rapist….as much as he his a monster….is entitled to a trial….I can’t say the same about the Vatican.

Sadly I can.

At one point Richard Dawkins made me uncomfortable, I’m really starting to come round to his intolerant point of view now.

The Catholic church becomes more of a satire of itself with every day that passes….

can’t believe the gall of it….

he almost certainly could have helped prevent the incident. Are you suggesting she couldn’t? If she’d been able to hear the vehicle or be more clearly seen, the accident might well have been avoided.

When deciding on whether to give needed compensation to a crippled girl, you can’t really be dealing in guesstimates when deciding whether to give her the money or not. There’s a chance that she might have been able to prevent the crash, then again theres a chance she could not have….you have to side with the latter.

Being “blamed for the accident” is being confused with “could have taken steps to avoid the accident in the first place”

Why is “could have taken steps to avoid the accident in the first place” even being discussed then. Surely she’s been punished enough by being crippled.

Compare and contrast with a road accident. People involved aren’t (generally) victims of crime, even if someone not in a big metal box typically comes off considerably worse. There may well be blame, there may or may not be law breaking (driving without due care, running a red light, whatever), but you can’t just blanket assume the largest vehicle is at fault in the same way that you can in the case of personal crime. They’re different situations and not directly comparable.

That isn’t what’s going on here though, the courts do not blanket assume that the driver is at fault. As has already been stated and I’m sure has been done to death in the courts, wearing a high visibility jacket would have not mitigated the risk entirely and therefore cannot be a reason for denying her the insurance payout. The degree to which a high viz jacket would have mitigated her risk is at best a guess – guesses and court aren’t the best of friends. Even walking into traffic can in many circumstances fail to negate a lot of the risk of walking on the road, if you have very little time to react once you’ve seen an oncoming car.

You made a very long statement saying nothing of any real value about the issue at hand. The equivalent analogy to your phone example would be playing chicken with articulated lorries on the M1.

The thing is bad staff just get promoted it seems from experience,and good ones get disheartened, and leave for other jobs.

There’s certainly an element of this but again, I think it all comes down to poor management and leadership.

Let’s just take a little crappy example for the masses – what happens when leadership and morale breaks down on the battlefield? As a general rule, hilarity ensues where by military discipline breaks down and either military operations collapse or…. if you are still somehow holding onto the fight, rapes and mass murders take place.

And to reign these problems in you have to punish some of those directly involved but the real issue and ultimate responsibility ends up lying further up the chain of command. Any attempts to deny this and pin all of the blame on grunts is usually done to cover the arseholes of the brass.

You can’t trust the monkeys to do their jobs properly, you have to make sure they do. This whole idea that the NHS woes stems considerably from the immorality of front line staff is IMO a load of complete tosh.

Yes, that’s my point; so, what happened to his right not to be hit?

Intent

Maybe so, but a little common sense will go a long way to reducing the victim count (and reducing the victim count to zero is the idea).

I agree with that but the actions of the girl make the rapist criminally… no less responsible.

No, but knowing such monsters exist in this world, why put yourself in that situation?

“Is it a good idea, being a young female, smashed off my face on booze, to walk across this empty city park with no street lighting and nobody around to hear me scream if I get attacked (however unlikely it might be) at 3am on a Saturday night?”

Hmmmm… let me think about that for a second.

But at the end of the day it’s men that are the problem and rapists should be held fully accountable for their actions and sentenced for being the dogs they are.

A friend of mine committed suicide a few years ago(*). He walked in front of a truck on the M66. Who’s fault was it? Moreover, who was the victim?

There’s a big difference here which I’m surprised you can’t see….your mate knowingly walked in front of a lorry…

At the end of the day insurance pays out if you crash a million pound Mclaren F1 into a tree – despite the accident being your fault. What’s the problem here again?

It’s the responsibility of everyone who uses the roads to try and minimise risk. That’s all.

And why should we punish a girl further for her part in this by denying her insurance money, when she’s already paid a high enough lesson by being permanently brain damaged?

The law does not always make a distinction based on age was the [ rather obvious IMHO] point i was making

Also, if your children ran some old granny over on their bicycles whilst riding with no lights….I don’t think they would be held to the same degree of responsibility as an adult in a youth court.

Also, I think it’s utterly reprehensible that 10 year olds can be tried (except in extreme cases) can be tried in youth courts to begin with.

In the same way a female celebrity (can’t remember her name) recently said there would be less rape victims, if the girls didn’t put themselves in that situation to start with (on their own, late a night, drunk as a skunk, walking across a park with no lighting – duuuuuurrr!!).

Oh so it’s a woman’s fault a man raped her because she looked appealing. Go back to the cave you came from.

I think some of you are heartless bastards and I sincerely hope that by contesting this, Churchill will lose customers.

General guidance suggests that reflective clothing and walking facing the traffic is a good idea.

Agreed but it’s still not law like the use of bicycle lights are, I won’t get stopped and fined like I would by the police for cycling through Oxford with no lights.

So given that I think it’s pretty insane that Churchill are pursuing this given the bad publicity it’s going to get them.

Do you only do things when the law tells you to? There’s no law on helmets either.

Besides the point, if there’s no law requiring high viz jacket use then how is she liable? If she wasn’t breaking any laws whilst the driver was then legally none of you have a leg to stand on I’m guessing.

Speculation? Unless you’ve looked into the accident spot.

Oh I’m sorry, I’d failed to notice that most of those putting blame on the girl in this thread were speculating as well.

My kids need to use lights on their bikes at night – no distinction for them being young

I don’t believe there is a law stating you need to wear a high viz jacket at night on roads.

Bicycles are kind of classed as vehicles I believe and need to have lights.

1) i highly doubt a high viz jacket would have helped in this instance, she was clipped whilst walking on the verge on a narrow winding country lane. The kind where the bends in the road hardly give you any time to react.

2) She’s a minor, so unless people want to apply the same responsibilities to minors as they do adults…I can’t see the justification in denying her the money that she will need to lead a decent quality of life. That’s what insurance is there for.

have met some amazingly skilled, talented and truly caring professionals, these are the people who have to try and also feel they must make up the shortfall in basic standards of caring and human compassion.

It’s not just nursing though….it’s “us” how many of those complaining would show the basic human compassion to go and help or comfort a distressed stranger in the street, or a crying child on their own?

Yes, there definitely is a percentage of unprofessional arseholes within the NHS….however….sometimes I get the feeling the public expects every Nurse to be like Florence Nightingale….when in reality they have no idea what dealing with blood, guts and death day in day out is like…..it does things to the mind…..people have a tendency to dehumanise people so that they can deal with these situations on a daily basis…..and I’m not sure those complaining would be any better.

Bwaarp, I am sorry but it is rare for someone to post a link that contradicts the point that they are making so categorically. I hope that your arguments are tighter in your UBS interview. (back to sleep now, dogs done their stuff!)

“The trust stabilised its finances and successfully focussed on becoming a foundation trust. However, it lost sight of what should have been its main priority: to provide high quality care to all of its patients. It took decisions to significantly reduce staff without properly assessing the consequences. Its strategic focus was on financial and business matters at a time when the quality of care of its patients admitted as emergencies was well below acceptable standards”.

Bite me, it was PRIMARILY a failure in leadership despite any personal grievances/bias you might have.