On one would be One Direction
Singular would be Ed Sheeran
Salsa has to be Santana
Must be more….

Something has gone wrong with Surly UK pricing this year.

Last year Trolls in the sale at Triton were £750. This year £1125. It’s just a simple steel bike, admitt a very nice one. Full price £1300!

http://www.tritoncycles.co.uk/road-bikes-c5/touring-bikes-c41/surly-troll-26-complete-bike-2014-black-p64

If Surly were a rock band they would be Bruce Springsteen, blue collar great value great to ride. Such high pricing is false to their ethos, and will cause their demise unless corrected.

If On One can bring a fat frameset in and sell for the prices it does, how come a much larger firm, that pretends it doesn’t spend money on marketing, cannot get frames here for less than £750. Adding margins to US prices is not correct un my view since these frames are not produced in the US but Taiwan the same as OnOne’s frames.

The selling models are different, but Surly are risking the goodwill of UK riders by making no attempt to have fair UK prices. The boxes just come here direct. These are simple rigid steel framesets, no high technology involved. They do not even put decent kit on the frames.

ICT Frameset price on US site is $825 about £515. They are making no effort what so,ever to have fair worldwide pricing. Usual bone idle charge $ price in UK £’s with no conversion to pay for UK extra layer cost of distribution.
Lazy bast……

Good analogy, Surly in the UK are taking the piss.

Did anybody write down the stack and reach numbers? Couple of people requested them, including me, but now I cannot find the post with them listed.

Scandium Kona Big Unit can be run SS or geared. Nice light fast bike.

Absolutely, it’s not which bike should one buy, but what position does each rider’s injured back need.

My solution was short stretch and high bars. My son has a serious lower back problem and after much experimentation, by leaving his steerer uncut and buying a fair amount of stems, his solution has been lower and more stretched to stretch his back when riding.

People obsess about ETT, but stack and reach are key, then stem, even bars all have different reaches. Find the right position and you don’t even want to ride a different bike when you suffer with a damaged back.

Brian

Seems to me you are mixing up what you “want” with what you “need”. Your choice if frame should be 100% driven by the needs of your back.

I have just been through all this. Buying endless beautiful bikes that I just cannot ride. Turns out I broke my back when I was 17 and never knew, just a vertibrae. This meant my neck C1 also had to be wrong to compensate and put my head back to straight up and down.

I simply just had to get away from arse up head down and sit upright with bars level with saddle.

I bought a frame with a short top tube and very high stack. That is a frame designed for drops but used with curved flats, and very high stack allowing for 100mm travel. Ok you say its an MTB but who cares, I built it up to suit me and my back.
The result is I have a bike I can ride every day for the first time in many years. it also has a Thudbuster and titanium Brooke’s so no jarring at all for my back.

It is just so wonderful to be able to ride again, no sore neck, no sore thigh, no lower back pain.

So my advice is concentrate on what your back needs, what ever that is, that’s what you have to do.
Brian

Someone had a change of plan on the Puffin Kickstarter and offered their frame for sale before delivery. Money sent to original Kickstarter investor, I understand that Sam shipped delivery to new owner so new owner had full warranty and was the only owner.

Fairly clear that Sam is a much better frame designer than project communicator and I know which matters. Even after all the fuss of the late delivery on the Puffin, have not seen a single Puffin for sale, barring one above. All reports are very happy owners. Wish I had ordered one but wanted Rohloff and frame is 170mm and now 170mm Rohloff is available. Must be difficult getting the frame supplier to break into his huge runs to make just a 100 batch. With the same issues for tooling, tube manufacture, assembly and paint shop.

Reckon Rooster could be pretty good too, so just hoping Sam will communicate just a bit more. Should make a great allround bike and superb off road tourer.

Sam, what I am trying to say is that keeping the Kickstarter investors like myself properly updated with emails every few weeks from now on should be part of the deal. Simple facts of where the build has got to and what the next milestone is and when that is expected. Perhaps you find sending an email just stirs a hornets nest and saying as little as possible works for you? Doesn’t feel good from my end as an investor.

I used to bring new products to market as a job and keeping everyone informed, keeping on top of planned progress worked best. Giving guessed weong end dates drives people crazy.

Sam, are the framesets welded, perhaps painted, even packed, shipped?

I have a Kona Ute, great fun. Chain Reaction have them on sale just now at 63% off. Huge bargain, just £450.

http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/kona-ute-bike/rp-prod117008

The Cannondale is on offer at Triton, great bike for just over £500.

http://www.tritoncycles.co.uk/mountain-bikes-c1/single-speed-c19/cannondale-trail-sl-29-ss-mountain-bike-2014-p1967

They have SS on offer from Surly, Charge and Salsa as well.
http://www.tritoncycles.co.uk/sale#c19

My son wanted the kids in front of him so he could keep n eye on them and see what they were up to. I think he was right and his Bullitt bike has been a big success.

http://larryvsharry.com

Sorry pics were on the UK Fatbike page which may have blocked them as a closed group.

Have loaded them on my page

Hope that is viewable. Just ordered a second pair.

Brian

Mine just arrived. Well pleased. Similar to Mary just a tad wider.

Pics here with OG on top of Mary.

Nice pic of a US based prototype with SS setup.

[*]Mountainbaker on the Bearbones forum like’s em.

“They are really really very comfy bars, the shape is great, sweep is perfect for me with my knackered wrists, and the carbon sucks up trail buzz really well.”

Not sure why On One describe them as ride to pub bars. Very much son of Mary Bar with more width and in carbon. Should be just perfect for SS 29er and my Rooster.

Just to clarify, since I am about to order this generator, for similar bikepacking.

At 4/5mph gen will not keep a smart phone charged if running gps and data and phone. No lights on.

Presume it would keep phone charged with data off during the day. Phone running stored maps but not gps all the time. Just when needed at unsure junctions.

At 4/5mph gen would probably not produce enough lights to ride at night, with phone on, data off.

Have read Shinamo generators produce slightly more output at low speeds.

I held off the Puffin because no 170mm Rohloff and wanted 29+ to fit. Seems both are now solved.

This lady is riding her AWOL 14,000km back home from Germany to Taiwan.
http://minkahsieh.tumblr.com

Blog of riding down through Spain on AWOL

http://lostonpurpose.co.uk

Sam’s new Swift fork takes 29+.

Wife just bought me a Moto G 4G Sim Free for £10. We had £64 on Tesco Clubcard Points which we doubled on their offer, so only had £10 to pay. Well pleased with it. I don’t actually use a phone that much so kept with old Sim, they did a Sim swap for me,, and I turned off data roaming so only use home wifi . Camera is ok too. Only spent 30p running so far. Will buy low cost/free 4g sim as and when I use phone for mapping rides etc.
Brian

More on the Maxxis Chronicle http://fat-bike.com/2014/07/first-look-maxxis-chronicle-29-tire/

If you chose a frame designed for drops, such as the Griffon or Fargo, they have shorter top tubes than models designed for flat bars. This has worked really well for me as I need am upright position these days.

Brian

Salsa Fargo. Can be set up from full MTB to full tourer, or my thing in between.

An early test of the proto frameset https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10152997613199447&set=a.486050059446.281310.113995139446&type=1&theater

I didn’t get that email?

Wondering what build kit everyone is planning. I seem to be heading towards Alfine 8, front charging hub, Velocity rims, and possibly Jones Bars or keep with usual Mary Bars. Should look something similar to this neat Jones

Hoping better tyres arrive before frameset.

Brian

Nice build at CBMH https://www.facebook.com/Charlie.The.Bikemonger/posts/812837665395245?comment_id=812842808728064&offset=0&total_comments=7

Now painted, wide back end, 27.5 x 3″ ?

View this post on Instagram

So much nice stuff coming through for @ononebikes now. This is a crazy proto sample I just got done.

A post shared by brant (@shedfire) on Jun 30, 2014 at 12:15am PDT

drofluf, that looks really nice, congratulations. Could I ask is that a medium and how tall are you.

Brian

Loads of great riding, much nicer and far quieter in the norther section of the Forest. Used to ride around Fritham quite a lot, good pub too.

http://www.forestry.gov.uk/pdf/new-forest-cycle-code.pdf/$FILE/new-forest-cycle-code.pdf

Brian

So just to clarify is the wheel size 650b+ ?

Huge thread on CTC forum here http://forum.ctc.org.uk/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=77786

They are somewhat crusty on there, but latest posts are showing people who have bought them and really liking them.

Some great videos here, this is the first one of four as they ride across Europe in the Transcontinental race.

Close to Salsa Vaya but takes the wider tyre of the Fargo.

Brian

Could we have the reach and stack figures please.

Brian

Can the dog whip his head sideways and catch and eat the biscuits like my grandma’s dog, Glen, could do?

Thanks for this information. I have been using a Gourdon 20 for a few years now for walking and wild swimming. I can swim along the coast with my clothes packed away. Works great and most comfortable bag I have ever used. Great to read it works well with an Alpkit harness.

Brian