Shag and Dan have done it Will a few years back.

Bad Taste after 5 microdots 8O

and yet you leave a fairly important drivetrain component unchanged from the system that’s been used for the last 100 years?

money in it eh snapping and replacing all the time.

p8ddy – Member

It seems that 650b is an “answer” to an economic rather than a biking issue.

There’s a recession. People are cutting back and where they can, are buying good quality second hand stuff. So, how do the bike industry respond and make people buy new things?

Simple, a new “standard”. If most new bikes are the new standard, there’s no (or at best, a sorely restricted) second hand parts market. And the losers with a now “defunct” standard? Tough. All your cash are belong to Trek or Giant or one of the other behemoths with a buy in to delivering ever greater shareholder value. It’s all BS.

We’ve seen the same thing happen with smaller components over a while. BB’s and cranks. 4/5 arm cranks, o/s handlebars. And then the push to taper steerers etc etc. The issue is that the big boys have got greedy. New wheels, not enough, now frame not enough. Now they want the second hand market dead and you dumping 5k every other year on a new bike.

What they can’t see is that they’re killing MTBing. People are buying less. And “new” folk won’t bother because there’s too many variables and too much to understand. Want a racer? 1 size of wheels, all bikes look alike. Want an MTB? What are you doing with it? XC? 29er. DH? 26… or 650b. All round? Who knows? Sticker shock and buyer confusion. At the same time the “little guys” like Cotic suffer too, as they can’t carry all frame sizes and (understandably) don’t want to bet the farm on a new, possibly failing standard.

It’s like VHS/Beta, BluRay/HD DVD all over again – and on both these occasions, the ordinary Joe stopped buying till a standard was agreed on. Except in MTB, there’s *always* a new standard.

well said

yeah think i read it somwhere

gets worse dunt it

prices rise due to 3 wheel sizes

shite

gonna **** this mtb off if it carries on and do bmx

29er’s dead too…

http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/are-29ers-really-dead

hmmmm

bollox to it all i say!

i was told that 26″ is dead by a certain industry guy,in response i said that 99% of all who i ride with and have rode with and other groups also adamantly do not want to change from 26″

nuff said.

instead of wheel size invent a better derailleur or somet.

ahhh wait on there’s too much money made out of snapped derailleurs.

like i can afford to change all my bikes again :evil:

load of bollox i tell you that

op you sound like a pure industry tool.

RIP

liked his style as a drummer

seen the band countless times in the past.

ahh luther seen that and yeah its good

variety here

that dont know where to start 8O

Sons of Anarchy is ok but a bit cheesy,

hmmmm no cheese

loved the wire

list in which order they should be get an idea which to go for next then

1-10

2 for son of anarchy so far

seen boardwalk.

factual is good,

**** me that Decathlon aint half a steal for cheapness for a young un to start on eh?

dropouts look same haha

780, I don’t ride a 5 though, just another 140mm full sus (does it matter?)

yep to that.

hmm dunno man need the right track n thats the hardest

Blower…when you gonna post a vid of the new machine in action?

funny you should say that as filming takes place this aft :wink: 8)

soundtrack recomendations are welcome..

maybe doing madchester theme

think apple green is one of their best colours

I supposed you can get used to any bike really.

yep

I think if it feels nervous downhill then maybe that is more down to the rider.

yep

i have a vision,and thAT vision and old skool purple turns heads and the bitches cream emseleves i kid you not pal :D :wink:

opposite colour fork white same as rear, bla bla bla.

intentionally north..

you love it Ton :wink:

17″

its either like or not like with my colour choice hahahah

im 5ft11 by the way

ohhh and yes i love mine too..does the job well

think Chamonix with the surroundings would be where i would take them

my takes on this

One thing is all this trail-AM marketing bikes bollox dunt wash with me.

160-140-150mm forks etc, bla bla bla.

cant tell much between most of these kind of bikes from the main players these days and them that do are talkin shite. :-)

if yer a pro then maybe,otherwise just farkin ride eh.
all a bikes feel could be altered by **** tyres to stem bars you name it,so unless you set em up exactly to that then how can you tell that much??
and if you really really can then maybe you should be making these bikes yourself eh eh. :wink:

its all in the head i tell ya..marketing marketing marketing :roll:

anyways i own two Orange bikes a Patriot and new the alpine,both do the job for me and thats that..

as did my mega before and whatver other bikes before that.

those who say ohhh i just couldnt get on with the 5 most likely dont ride anyways or just ride at trail centres every weekend.
try ride em as intended and you may think diferent.

:D 8)
8)

trying to hard to be funny top gear and failing

7 borrowdale bash and whinlater :lol:

cheeky Lakes is hard too or Peaks.

isn’t it that stopado was stating the grading facts more of uk trails

Northwind – Member

Blower – Member

then they need to take Hebbers away from the top then dont they and put next to lakes n peaks

Maybe. Or maybe it works for them and they don’t need to change a thing. Probably they’re better judges…

judges of what UK riding is?

northwind

then they need to take Hebbers away from the top then dont they and put next to lakes n peaks

Laggan above Lakes dunt make sense,seeing as its made and designed to be rode on a bike.

and Hebden above lakes aint right either

think it must be a typing error :-)

afx caustic window
afx annalogue bubblebath
spacemen 3 of various records and sonic boom.
smiths boy with a thorn in his side
madchester and numerous other from the rave scene etc

8O

no thanks need single crown for my alpine

:-)

lyriks air in white if i had a choice :D

he was know within the old boys i think

RIP aye was known rider werent he Ton!

last bit of video “local” is it

RIP