i did think about iceland and scandinavia.i think the mrs wants more sun. is it really exspensive over there.

very good point captain. however if i was going to do that all day i would stay at home and spend the money in ann summers instead.

come to think of it thats not such a bad idea…

sadly the future mrs birdo is not a big biker but is quite the coffe drinker and book reader so she ll be happy to let me go off riding.i need something to do a weeek lying on a beach would kill me

i think i ll give stocport a miss 🙂

analucia looks nice as does sorento.

we ll probably be going for 7 to 10 days

i forgot that . it would be in august.

thanks folks that helps a lot. i ll let you know how i get on.

drew YGM

but aren't the hub width different ( narrower ) than on a mtb ?

agree with a lot that has been written above. i think you need to find a class you enjoy as your first priority. that is if you ve just decided to take up a martial art for the sake of learning one. however if you have a particular reason i n mind i would suggest;

fitness = mma/boxing
sport = kick boxing/ tkd
style and flexibility = kung fu / wushu
fighting = krav maga

i know i missed some but this is just IMHO. i do kung fu and enjoy it very much.it`s improved my fitness, strength, co ordination and flexibility. plus my confidence.

what about something from the genesis range. i like the look of the day one cross

thanks guys that`s food for thought . what type of daily mileage would you think is realistically achievable ?

you cant really go wrong with a Seiko . the skx007 is a real favorite for some which means it would hold it`s value should you decide you dont like it. do you want an analogue or digital face ? g shock might be worth a look.

I like the look of that crosser. i was about to buy a rat but i m not too sure now, any ideas of cost or when they ll be available?

do you think you need an 20 inch frame i m 6ft 1 1/2 and ride a 18 inch with no probs.

yeah i know what you re saying about the roadrat but they sell it as a single speed if you buy it complete. i just think it would maybe be frustrating to only have one gear on a road bike but they are the nice looking bikes imho.

i suppose it`s like a lot of sports in that you only start to notice the technical skills the more you get in to it.if you just flick over to it catch 5 mins of one fight than you cant really judge. i train in mma and kung fu and we get lots of big blokes turn up who are just looking for a way to hurt somebody . they normally go in the ring with our instructor whos not a big bloke and after about 10 seconds they learn to appreciate the skills involed.these sports teach displine and dedication but sometimes i think the marketing of them gives them a bad name.