sorry i didn't post the link .

Derrick MAY the dance

Derrick May ,reminds me of the hacienda, warehouse parties and everything else that was good in the eighties

Thanks for that 1961Bikie i had never even heard of the groupset

they should spend the money on repairing and better signing on bridleways and we would all be better off.at least trail centres keeps the plantpots off the bridleways and its easier for an ambulance to get to. i like cycling in every form but i would honestly pack up if they were the only option.driving to go riding is fine but if its 3 hours to get there and 3 hours home you should at least be riding for 6 hours

strange,why would shimano manufacture two ten speed groupsets with 1mm difference?The other option is buy the shifters and run a flat bar i suppose