Nope- the bit where you explained how those poor women were being brainwashed and don’t really think these things was the patronising part.

As it happens I think ideologies brainwash both men and women. In the past I’ve argued that many people in our society are brainwashed by cultural marxism (I consider radical feminism a part of cultural marxism overall, albeit one which is obviously targeted at women).

I do like that your response to “patronising men” is to be a really patronising man though, that’s good.

I was criticising the ideology of second wave feminism, not women. If any type of critique from someone who happens to be a man is automatically construed as patronising, then there really is no hope.

What is the role of a nurse? To stop a doctor from killing you.

Cinammon Girl, couldn’t your issue with doctors be non-gender related? Many people, male as well as female, complain that their doctor doesn’t listen to them.
Perhaps you have a concrete example.

I would say that many women have had enough of patronising males. What’s wrong with treating a woman as a human being who has feelings and a brain, as opposed to shagability scoring?

Most men I know don’t treat or think of women like that. Second wave feminism brainwashes women into thinking all men are like this and lays the seeds of distrust and even hatred towards men.

Most men and most women are decent people, but ideologies are designed along divide and rule policies – such as making men and women hate one another.

I’m just happy to see the phrase “much of a muchness” being used.

If the housing bubble pops, or if there is another global economic crisis and second wave of bank bailouts, then Corbyn could prove to be an inspired choice.
Both events are quite likely to happen before the nxt election.

It is interesting how Corbyn’s win will reverse the political fortunes of a number of politicians. A lot of relatively young ones like Liz Kendall will be thinking, this isn’t why I got into politics, to kickabout on the backbenches. Whereas Diane Abbott must have had no expectation she might be in the shadow cabinet just a few weeks back.

Both her and the lurker come across as complete tosspots. Made me count my blessings I didn’t go into law.

The government is playing into the hands of Isil. They want more Western military intervention in muslim countries because it helps radicalise more muslims into joining them.

We call them 2 dead terrorists, for other people they are 2 dead martyrs.

In terms of “life”, and all its frustrations and disappointments, I’d say it’s the NORM!.

The polls have been wrong. I seem to remember that happening last May.

Hence the second clause in my sentence, we shall have to wait and see.

The polls suggest otherwise El-Bent, but I guess we will have to wait for the final result!

The refugee crisis is going to affect the referendum, it may create the conditions for a No vote. Why?
In the first place, the complete lack of co-ordination between EU countries is further evidence that the EU is coming apart anyway. There is also the fear Germany and Austria will issue the refugees with passports, and they will come to the UK.
Many people will be voting No because of the fear of further mass immigration and of the growing desire for border controls.

Owning stuff is such a drag…just the one mtb for me, a 2007 Stumpjumper full suss.

The West is partly responsible for this mess, in particular:
– invading Iraq
– overthrowing Gaddafi
– supporting the “Freedom Fighters” in Syria, who in reality were radical Islamists hellbent on destruction

The average man in the street would conclude from this: the Middle East is better off if the West keeps out of its affairs.

Our politicians are now using the current crisis as an excuse to yet again intervene.

I used Massimo Dutti quite a bit, good styling without the Armani prices.

I think people in the secular West under-appreciate how important faith is to your average Muslim, and this in itself can perpetuate cultural misunderstandings. The rejection of Western values is not simply because of perceived Western infringements over the years.
Moderate muslim scholars would reject many recent developments in Western culture as being simply incompatible with Islam: criticising the Prophet, for example, or advocating gay marriage.

Two separate sets of friends who’d never met one another both independently coined the nickname BadNewz.

The worst period of my life was going to a secondary school which I detested. I only lasted two terms, and I can still vividly recall the dread I felt the night before going back.
I changed schools and everything changed for the better, infact I think I used to look forward to going back.

That was one big off, the footage doesn’t do justice to how quick he was going.

Which version are they going to turn the UK into?

Ive not been to Homs but have visited Damascus. It is official state policy to blame ze jews for all their problems, and the average Syrian retains these views (although the Christian Syrians do not for the most part share these views).

It I were a UK Jew I’d be concerned over continued mass immigration from Muslim countries. Although I understand from what I’ve read by others on here about Israel that they’d think that a good thing.

I dont think it’s a party politics issue, just one of human compassion.

I disagree, “Compassion” is a subjective term. People will appear compassionate to get their own way, and labeling other people (i.e. right wingers) as uncompassionate is a political strategy. That was the point of my post.

Three very different groups of people with different needs and rights and we have different responsibilities towards all three whatever wing we might wish (oddly) to represent.

Yes, quite right (half this thread is on discriminating between the three, that’s why I put them all down).

The issue I have with left-wing support for illegal immigrants/asylum seekers/economic migrants is discriminating between genuine, saintly concern (and I think saints in this life are very rare) and hatred towards the Tories.

I think the test is in the pudding, i.e. giving up a room in your house. I don’t have much time for arguments along the lines of “I work in the social services” because ultimately that is your occupation, if you do it for free, then you are the better person.

Not my favourite city, the Gaudi gardens are great and I liked the indoor food market, but I wouldn’t go out of my way to return, I would put les rambles down as one of the most horrible streets I’ve ever walked down.
For me, Rome wins everyday.

I’d like to report this thread too, mainly because it’s crap.
(Exit BadNewz, pursued by an asylum seeking bear.)

And if there’s an answer it’s in helping the countries in the front line to keep people out and most importantly – making it safe for people to prosper in the places they are now fleeing.

I agree. The question I’d ask is: how do we make them safer?

The unpleasant truth is those countries were safer places when they were run as police states by political autocrats.

Having looked into it a bit further, I’d give you the benefit of the doubt on this one DrJ.
I would consider “politically independent” to be a contradiction in terms and hence a paradox/oxymoron. But it is not a classic oxymoron in the sense it uses two opposing concepts, e.g. dark light.
I stand corrected!
(Stands up from chair)

The fact of the matter is that nobody can prove or disprove much when ALL the stats, collected by both sides of the arguament are pretty much guesswork

With the greatest respect, I think you’re struggling a bit here Binners. Are you saying that the Census is “pretty much guesswork”?

An oxymoron is a compressed paradox, “politically independent” is according to my reasoning as outlined above, an oxymoron.
Unless you’d like to point out why it is not rather than just asking mono-syllabic questions like a Spanish waiter>?

How on earth can you regard statistics as reliable when gathered by an organisation with a clearly stated political agenda that would benefit hugely from the manipulation of those figures?

Their figures turned out to be the most accurate when the 2011 Census was published. The government had underestimated the true number by a factor of 4; and Migration Watch had also under-estimated the true figure.

Eh? In what way is it an oxymoron?

It assumes one can have an “independent” point of view. I disagree with this. Everybody has a point of view and hence a bias.

For example, “The Independent” newspaper. This is a contradiction in terms. A newspaper has an editor, hires its journalists in its own image, and hence inevitably has a political bias.

I’d prefer more honest titles, “The Northern Socialist”, “The Southern Tory Boy”, “The Hackney Lesbian” etc.

To claim that Migration Watch is an impartial, independent organisation is frankly laughable.

I didn’t claim they were politically independent (I consider such a term an oxymoron, an impossibility).

What I claimed is that their research into current migration numbers and their forecasts are widely recognised as the most accurate out there.

By who?

They were chosen to provide the current figures and forecasts for the cross-party parliamentary working group on immigration.

Their figures have been used by the mainstream media, including The Independent and The Guardian, although for the most part the “leftwing” media prefers to use Migration Observatory (their figures and forecasts are pretty much the same as they operate out of the same department at Oxford).

Migration Watch is increasingly recognised as the authority on migration figures. Other people prefer Migration Observatory.
Both were set-up to try and establish an accurate survey of migration numbers. Interestingly, the people who set up Migration Watch were denounced by the mainstream media for being “racists”, whereas they were trying to bring some sense to the debate by researching the actual numbers.
Reading this thread and its quick degeneracy into hysterical accusations of “Racist!”, I’m gladder than ever both organisations were established.

Who needs sperm donors when you have a ready supply of feckless fathers on council estates?

Update: it’s started raining again in Hertfordshire.

Rained most of the night in Hertfordshire, seems to have temporarily stopped but the mountain bike will stay indoors today.

I get worse hangovers from having literally -a- beer.

That’s either the most ridiculous thing I’ve heard all week or you are some kind of scientific miracle.