I think most of the difference in geometry is accounted for by the adjustable dropouts on the 19. Download the Whyte brochure as it has the accurate figures, the website itself is prone to throwing up all sorts of strange specs and sizing info. The other day it was suggesting that the 19's came with DT forks for the Ti and SIDS for the ally one. It also throws up incorrect sizing from time to time. The 905 is only 1/2 pound heavier than the 19 which may well be down to the kit rather than the frame.

Convert has the best idea. Allow card users to register a delivery address with the card supplier. All the convenience without the risk.

Clockwise for me.

From some forum chat recently I would suggest there is a good chance you'll have grown or shrunk, depending on your current age, by the time you actually get it.

Well if it's going to be able to run a belt drive then I see the Whyte slipping down my wish list. I know everyone will say it won't work properly in muddy and gritty conditions but I still want to try it. Going to a belt will help offset a little bit of the weight of the Rohloff as well!

"There are things we know we know, there are things we know we don't know but there are also things we don't know we don't know."

I think that was about the gist of it.

I've got the 80mm version and although they are heavy they are really reliable. Mine have been on for over a year, commuting off road all year round have only ever had the stantions wiped and still work as good as new. My only gripe with them is that at under 60kg I can only ever get 50mm out of them even with the soft spring.

We also got my daughter the Gelert one for around £15. Seems really good value and has an inner shoulder drawstring baffle as well as the hood if it gets a bit chilly.

Well I'm glad to know where all those premiums I've been paying out have been going. So come on who spent their compensation on a bike?

Well it hammered down last night but it dries pretty quickly at this time of year. Brighton to Eastbourne is pretty good most of the time, not many sections that get too muddy on the route itself.

[from first hand experiance – if you stick a shimano ultegra 10 speed set up on a 9 speed ultegra chainset – the chain will on its way from outer to inner ring stick between the two rings]

So you didn't know any better either then trail_rat :-)

I did say supposedly. Anyway I'd agree that it is much less critical on an mtb where your moving around on the bike a lot but I have felt a benefit of moving to 165mm cranks when riding on long road sections.

And It's my birthday as well.

Highpath engineering have a calculator on their websitehere

Supposedly more accurate than one based on inside leg measurement.

That one for sale is the v brake model that I have. If you want to convert it to disk you'd have to send it back to Rohloff and get it modified. By the time you've done that and bought the click box I'd guess you'd have spent another £200 – £250. It's one reason I wish now that I'd bought the Raven Enduro rather than the Catalyst as if I do want to move mine to another frame I'll have to send it off to be changed.

Love mine for all year round no fuss riding. I commute off road and it goes even when I can't actually see any of the drivetrain for mud. I've just changed the chain after 3 years, it was still working fine but an oil change was due so I decided to change it reverse the chainring and replace the rear sprocket. I could have just reversed the rear sprocket as well but went with a new one as the outer of the sprocket forms a seal with a gasket and after 3 years I'd have been running a far from perfect surface against the gasket potential wearing it faster and the tool required for replacing it is more expensive than a new sprocket.

Apart from the very low maintenance what I really like is the ability to change gear when stopped. You have no idea how useful that is until you have it. I have a Thorn Catalyst which is similar to the Enduro but has longer chainstays to allow a rack to be fitted and is V brake specific. My bike is very heavy but then it does have Magura Oder forks and a Son dynamo hub as well and being less than 60kg myself I do feel that on the ups. If I were to go buy a bike with de-raileurs then it would have to be with a frame that I could easily put the Rohloff on. Whyte 19 is top of my wish list at the moment.

As for the weight shift to the rear I don't see how it differs from the weight shift to the front that front suspension brought. It's just something you get used to. I would think the point of balance on a Rohloff hardtail was very similar to a fully rigid bike.

I seemed to have developed this. Never been a problem on the bike but I've started running again and that seems to be the cause. I've been doing up to 8 miles off road and it would seem that it's the hills and the uneven ground that is causing it. I'm going to try the stretches, rest it for a week or so and then try going back to running on the road and the flat for a while. I wouldn't describe my problem as pain more discomfort at the very back of the outside of my knee which is definitely worse when running uphill.

The rhubarb I've just eaten from the garden tastes fantastic. I'm sorry ChatsworthMusters but putting custard anywhere near your crumble is a crime on the same level as putting milk in your tea or cream on your strawberries. The best food and drink can easily be ruined with the simple application of a dairy based product. :-)

Cat on a backhander from the vet.

Animal treatment available 24/7 on demand without waiting lists via a private and charity based system. Human treatment pretty patchy and often appalling based on a Government tax payer funded system. Discuss….

I'm 5ft6" and now have 165mm cranks. I don't think it makes much difference off road where your moving around on the bike a lot but I do find my knees prefer the shorter cranks on long road sections where essential your in one position for a long time.

Yes the business can just buy the bike. It's how I did it. The only point you have to remember is that makes the employer responsible for the safe condition of the bike while they own it. I just said to my employer no problem make me the bike safety officer.

Only one Britain left now who served in WW1.

RIP Harry

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When I worked on Foulness island the MOD Plod used to set up speed traps but all they could do was ban you from driving in to work for a couple of weeks. If you were going to the pub on the Island you could drive back pissed if you wanted to up until the Police gate and then leave your car there and walk off and they could do nothing. The road was a public right of way as there was a village on the Island but you had to show good reason to be using it. If you did want to go to the pub in the evening you would have to call them first and then the police would verify it when you went through the gate. All very strange.

If you sign up for the gift aid you get membership for the year. So go early in your trip so if the weathers the same as last year then you can go again later in the week. We made use of that as it was tipping it down for most of the week. We all enjoyed it though if you happen to be there on a busy day it can be hard work. The kids particularly liked the camp building, almost as much as I did. If you do that you'll never throw an old inner tube away again.

Also if your in that area the gardens at Helligan are a must and the kids will like the board walk through the gorge which will feel like being in the jungle to them.

A tyre with more tread won't really give you any advantage on the road. You can't aquaplane a bike so you don't have to worry about dispersing the water. In fact tread just means less rubber on the road and therefore less grip given the same tyre width and compound. They don't go into the pits on the Tour to change to wet weather tyres do they.

Or maybe this

So is this a suicide vest?

Pleased with my MW80's. I've found them wider than my other Shimano shoes. I'm normally a 43 in their shoes and I've gone for a 44 in the boots. I can wear them with my thermal Sealskinz and still wiggle my toes. With the 43 shoes I had to remove the insoles if I wanted to wear the Sealskinz and even then my feet were pretty cramped.

3 years on one chain one sprocket and one chainring on The Crappy muddy South Downs. Makes up for having to drag the Rohloff up the hills!

Wash off mud if necessary.
Wipe with rag.
Reapply GT85 to each link.

Just changed the chain after 3 years. Bike is also used as a commuter all year round and the last year that's been off road. I only changed the chain because the Rohloff was due an oil change and I thought it would be a good chance to change the rear sprocket.

Amazing that we sit here today exactly 40 years after man first landed on the moon and no one has a definitive answer to this question, we all only have our own experience to go on.

Remind me how we got in this economic meltdown someone.

I ran very fast the day a friend pulled a live mortar round out of the ground. We were walking across a field when he kicked a metal tube sticking out of the ground (the field and the footpath which ran across it had recently been ploughed) and pulling it out we found the fins attached which let us know what we'd found. Bomb disposal came and did a sweep which turned up a couple more of them and some mills bombs and blew them up leaving quite a crater. There's still tons of stuff in the fields around us as the whole area was used as training grounds for Canadian troops during WWII and they left a lot of stuff behind, although they didn't leave the hamlet of Balsdean behind as they used that as target practise.

My Rockhoper cost me £400 in 1986. I reckon a £500 Decathlon bought today would leave it a long way behind.

I'm impressed mrmichaelwright. Not many can make such a vast career change as going from Dixons to working as an AV tech. That's got to rival shelf stacker to brain surgeon. :-)

I meant there was a thread on this a while ago and it went on a bit with lots of speculation and anecdotal evidence. For what it's worth it seems like a pretty good idea but I know if I had one I'd land on my face the first time I took the guard off. FuzzyWuzzy sums it up perfectly.

Here we go

Whyte E120 might fit your requirements.

Have you tried turning it off and back on again?

This is like the story of the copper who kept on sending the same fax to the same person because it kept on coming back out of the machine.

aracer I think if you read the original post it asks what is the rules the law and the thinking on undertaking. Not about who pays. And the main thing I have in mind when undertaking is who is going to get hurt if this goes wrong.