yeah but firefighters just sit around all day and then when theres work to be done they go on strike. 😛

user removed – my girl friends dad is a plasterer and does alot of heavy lifting. he turned 60 this year and i'm afraid to say your wrong. cycled all his life and still does today. some days he beats 20 something cat 2 or even cat 1 riders up hills on club rides, out on strines and in the peak both dark and high. admittedly not often but he is certainly as good as climbing as me. i'm 27 and don't ride a compact, he's 60 and doesn't ride a compact. burried me on the last bit of the a57 up to strines last saturday, pretty embarrasing really (i had been using my big ring as much as possible though.. he also does circuit training 3 evenings a week in the winter.

clubber i'm glad we're now on the same hymn sheet. 😛

bars do have internal gussets mate. my slam xlt bars on my bmx have 8 or more. what i mean is take say a element nickle wide bar, they are sweeping back from the stem whereas say a burgtec bar they are sweepinf from the first knuckle or bend so as you have just said the greatest moment on a stress raiser is going to be on the element nickle wide bar. fact.

while i agree with the principal of what you're saying. whilst you say engineering fail to me (i am an engineer and i am about to start my masters, i have industrial experience) the shere number of bendy bars and the amount of fea going in to these product these days actually says fail to you.

clubber also jmc died in 94 and he was using mx riser bars on his bike. i didn't start riding until around then so that could be the reason i love them so much. just get low rise bars and suck up the fact that they are better.

rudi boy, no one on the world cup circuit uses them, if they were that great every bar manufacturer would make them and use them without exception. so there is no precident to show that flat bars are better.

that flat bars aren't stonger or lighter than riser bars but they look far uglier.

i think you mean jason mcroy. look on google images he used cut down mx bars back in the day.

hmm, i know where you're coming from but it simply doesn't add up, surely if this were the case mx bike would have always had higher rise stems and flat bars? also see the point on internal gussets. whilst i understand the principal of what you're saying the argument simply doesn't stack up. if handles were made from plain guage tubing then yes you would be right but there is bound to be a significant amount of fea done by handlebar manufacturers to make sure that the bars won't fail. it is worth noting that 'flat' bars also have stress raiser in them at the mounting point and a riser can actually maintain a straighter section through this point. i would have thought that the greatest stress raisers were at the handle bar mount.

sam hill uses gravity risers matey.

ahwhiles i will take that hug thanks

clubber whilst I understand that bend create stress raisers, i doubt that the overall weight savings are that noticable, especially when you take into acount internal gussets or butting especially as there are upward of 8 buts in some handle bars. ie where there is material required the bar is butted and where the material isn't required the material is removed or thinned out. its a case of removing material from the zero axis as it is completely redundant along this invisible line. burgtec low rise bars 265g – chromag flat bars 305g whilst being 15mm narrower. Of course these are just the list weights but its an example of how little or no weight gains there are to be had from using a flat bar. I also doubt that either bar is 'stonger'

clubber, i don't know i've not done any FEA or FDA on either of them, however I would have thought there's pretty much no difference between both of them. oh yeah the frame geometry has been adjusted to keep the front end down and there for a half an inch less rise bar is going to make next to no difference to the height of the bar. width wise king tut i would say 750mm plus.

geetee name someone who has won a world cup with flat bars! You can't because no one has its pure fashion. Like I said before a flat bar with a fun or other 30 degree rise direct mount stem is higher then my 0 direct mount stem and low rise bars.

Its more a fashion thing, i see alot of riders with wide flat bars and a stupid 30degree direct mount stem, the could get a lower front end using a zero degree rise stem and some low rise bars.

watched myself turn into green energy on my friends mums kitchen table.

steroid cream really isn't that bad its not anabolic steroids. There are a multitude of different types of steroids its only the anabolic one which make your balls shrink or women grow mustaches. I have had eczma all my life and have always used betnovate when it get really bad and then just used stuff like simple cream or coco butter when its not so bad.

Girlfriend and her sister and I were playing in the garder with their cousins daughter. Shes about three so there was a 'dance off' going on. We were all pulling off our best moves dancing around. The cousins daughter was there with the girlfriends auntie, uncle, gran and grandad. So we were taking it in turns to pull our 'best moves'. After afew times round of doing silly dance moves etc it comes back to girlfriends sister. She decides to do a cart wheel. She is wearing a loose pancho type top so as she goes over her top comes up; only to expose her chest completely lacking any form of undergarment. The looks on all the old peoples faces is priceless, mortified even. This story will deffinately do the rounds.

I really liked it. I thought it all flowed nice. You can hit everything way fast and the dragons teeth bit is fun. Also there was only one climbing section which was too hard and there is a way around it. Its kind of a trails hop up into a climb but as said there is a path around to the right. The section with the roller coaster bit and the the switch backs is pretty much the most fun bit there. You can really roost the switch backs if you lean forward and stay of the brakes. Stainburn is better though.

further proof that morzine is most deffinately a place in the alps too avoid. annoying people and rubbish over ridden tracks.

you want the first level of compression tune and the rebound tune it doesn't really matter. Although mine is the second rebound tune.

for a trail centre it has to be stainburn, cos there no caffe and not many people and its technical, well the black is. the red is fast and fun. Something involving cut gate, hag farm, win hill, rushup edge, cavedale and the bridal way from hollins cross down to castleton. although that would be a massive epic to get all of that in.

celerities?

ro – you can't write a coherent sentence' yet you pull people up on their grammar. you claim to be into low technology yet you work in a high tech job role. you claim to be in vietnaam to help out the 'poor people', yet you take a large salary and then spend it letting 'poor people' serve you drinks whilst drawing a sh1t wage. you claim to understand materials properties, you clearly don't. you claim you have a degree from dundee, i'm guessing you don't.

foel gnash (spelling). its a track to replace nantwich or nanarch can't really remeberwhich. both are in chesire though. maybe nantwich is the town and nanarch was the track.

stainburn isn't too far from leeds, closer to skipton probably though.

mtb-rossi the national ignition facility is several generations behind J.E.T in terms of sustaining fusion. J.E.T was the first generation of torus reactors and the next iteration of that is the south korean fusion reactor. the national ignition facility needs 'fuel pellets' where as torus reactor use a constant stream of plasma; which is better.

you're right take the cairngorms out and we're left with the pennines, the north pennines, the north york moors, yorkshire dales, peak district, the lake district etc.

phil, I'm only having a dig mate. There are pros and cons to both. Although I've never ridden in surrey or quantox or dart moor. just adding to the rhetoric.

so southerners are harder because they are

not able to handle much more than 10miles (with a lot of stops)

😆

all any one up north has to remind you of is http://elbry.blogspot.com/

You're right there absoltly no single track up north. None in the peaks none in west yorkshire, none in th north penines, non in the north york moors, none in the yorkshire dales, definitely non in scotand (especially the cairngorms and none in the lakes; there are also no hills, no rocks and no roots just northerners and industrial wasteland.

soya eating vegetarians are the worst of them all.

I just got home. Got to write some shizniz up and then I'm off with my friends (something you don't know about ro) for a 3-4 hour ride. then I will eat my tea. I got a 2:2. Quiting my job and starting a masters in september. Why are you so boring ro? I think the answer may help you understand why you have no friends.

I stand corrected.

Kimbers they are not natural dreadlocks mate. Even on a low re picture you can see that they have been 'knotted' in to your hair using that wax stuff. Nice shirt and tie though where did you find it the 70s?

do some of your own fiddle jobs?

I'm guessing you know dave and rob from mansfield. Just looked tsw cycles up. I know him from sheff vegas.

Seriously mate, dont start making accusations about people on this thread. Some of the hardest lads on single track world have told you what their capable of, if you'd bothered to read the whole thread

Quality, some of the hardest lads on songle track world? What exactly are they capable of. Insults and jibes. 😆

I mean dave, called cockmaster for his manuals around the cockmaster quater pipe in sheffield. I know for real through dave.

golden wonder are you 'cockmaster'? you must atleast know him, I assume you are talking about for real?

Thats a good photo of you dtf. how many times did you 'pump some iron' to get like that? 😆

http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=GB&hl=en-GB&v=vBbe7rQ0a-8
this is what a fight with dtf is like. 😆