Why are people so blinkered politically?

The others can catch up when they see the benifits of our system

On the contrary……maybe you’ll catch up. Been there, done it…USSR…North Korea….Cuba….etc. a pile of over 100 million bodies to prove it and poverty of the kind we can’t even imagine. Don’t give me any of the usual tosh around ‘we’d do it differently’ because you really really wouldn’t.

On the contrary……maybe you’ll catch up. Been there, done it…USSR…North Korea….Cuba….etc. a pile of over 100 million bodies to prove it and poverty of the kind we can’t even imagine. Don’t give me any of the usual tosh around ‘we’d do it differently’ because you really really wouldn’t.

I think we need to give it one last chance.

Molegrips can fund me. I’m positive that if we do that for say, my lifetime, the world will see from our happiness how brilliant the system is.

…and if the world doesn’t, well at least Molegrips and I will have lived the dream.

As mentioned much earlier in the thread have a look at Singapore for government controlled social housing. They appear to be making a success of it.

The others can catch up when they see the benifits of our system

On the contrary……maybe you’ll catch up. Been there, done it…USSR…North Korea….Cuba….etc

That’s not what I’m advocating, clearly I don’t want a communist state because I’m not an idiot or a megalomaniac. A really shit rebuttal, if you want to sound clever you’ll need to come up with a much better argument than that.

You don’t need to wait, you can provide me with all my essentials right now without any political change required at all. Monthly payment by PayPal, suit you?

Sure, if you let me tax everyone in the country and businesses and stuff.

You don’t need to wait, you can provide me with all my essentials right now without any political change required at all. Monthly payment by PayPal, suit you?

Sure, if you let me tax everyone in the country and businesses and stuff.

That’s a ‘no’ from you then, and I think ‘everyone in the country’ will take the same view as you.

That idea didn’t last long. 🙂

More LK impartiality news: Telegraph journalist Dominic Penna tweeted that LK and Gove had a dance-off/rap battle to Ice Ice Baby late night at a karaoke bar – someone asked if it was true and he confirmed it was. He’s now deleted the tweet and says it never happened. 🤨

That proves that in a social setting after they have finished working in the same venue they are able to be civil. I’ve probably sung karaoke with a Tory at some point too

Going by Pennas twitter account ‘no shapes had been thrown’

Journos rub shoulders with politicians as much as they can, that’s their job.

Do you reckon she sat in her hotel room and didn’t talk to anyone at the Labour Party conference? (In fact I know she didn’t there was a massive daily mirror party at least IIRC.)

Do you reckon Owen Jones sat in his Hotel Room at the Tory Conference? Or do you think he was out and about talking to and socializing with Torys all week getting the inside picture? Is Owen Jones a Tory Stooge.

If you want news from someone who doesn’t know any politicians whatsoever I am happy to provide you with a weekly e-mail update. It will be quite short.

I’ve probably sung karaoke with a Tory at some point too

Your worse than Hitler

More LK impartiality news:

At the same event…Lewis Goodall was singing Karaoke as a duet with a minister…and Nick Robinson was seen there, as was Robert Peston. Again, it seems there’s some motive other than what she does, when folks single LK out for special treatment . She does the same things that all other political editors do…but only she seems to get criticized.

Mind you, now I think about it, I once bought a Conservative councillor lunch* so god knows what that makes me.

*I think it was an Egg Mayo Sandwich

She does the same things that all other political editors do…but only she seems to get criticized.

Maybe because she’s the chief political editor of BBC news? With a track record of overly cosy relationships with the Tories.

Anyway I was more pointing out the unusual sequence of events in terms of tweeting, confirming, then deleting and denying.

I know you’re trying to imply some kind of sexist agenda that’s not there, so go you.

I’ve probably sung karaoke with a Tory at some point too

Are you the chief political editor of the supposedly impartial national broadcaster?

Going by Pennas twitter account ‘no shapes had been thrown’

What do the deleted ones say?

I know you’re trying to imply some kind of sexist agenda that’s not there, so go you

Mleh, you’re the one who constantly singles her out, not me. Perhaps you need to examine your own motives at bit more closely?

Maybe because she’s the chief political editor of BBC news?

Are you saying that was your reason for singling LK out?

If so, why should being CPO of BBCN require lesser access to politicians? I’d have thought it should command *more* access.

Perhaps you need to examine your own motives at bit more closely?

Perhaps you need to stop making snide insinuations about other people’s motives.

Are you saying that was your reason for singling LK out?

It makes her impartiality (or lack thereof) more important, obviously.

Plus it’s literally whataboutery to say ‘yeah but what about Nick Robinson, eh’ when discussing things she does.

So now we have whataboutery, and a nice kind of straw man/ad hominem combo, rather than engaging with the actual issue. I really wonder why I bother with these political threads when this is the standard of debate.

Are you the chief political editor of the supposedly impartial national broadcaster?

And that’s the crux of it; if you are supposed to be ‘impartial’, then cavorting with senior tory figures isn’t a very good look, is it? If anyone can provide evidence of her doing similar with other political parties/groups, then it would be good for balance here, surely?

Mleh, you’re the one who constantly singles her out, not me. Perhaps you need to examine your own motives at bit more closely?

Classic tactic of attempting to divert attention by making unfounded/false accusations and insinuations. If you have any proof of this ‘sexism’, then again, let’s see it.

Perhaps you need to stop making snide insinuations about other people’s motives.

Says the man who’s constantly accused a journalist of bias without producing any evidence at all? Good grief, I know nobody’s ever “wrong” on the internet, but your double think here is pretty strong.

Plus it’s literally whataboutery to say ‘yeah but what about Nick Robinson, eh’ when discussing things she does.

Nick Robinson literally has the same job as she does, as does Peston, Coates and dozens of others…It’s legitimate comparison to other journalists doing the same things, speaking and spending time with the same group of politicians and advisors.  It’s a bit unhinged really, like you’ve decided she’s some sort of mad villain.

 If you have any proof of this ‘sexism’, then again, let’s see it.

Given that you consistently single out the only political editor with a vagina, I’ll draw my own conclusion

If anyone can provide evidence of her doing similar with other political parties/groups, then it would be good for balance here, surely?

Well she was talking about the parties she attended at the Labour Conference on Newscast. Pretty sure she mentioned the Mirror Party.

I guess that’s LK vindicated as far as you’re concerned, great.

Nick Robinson literally has the same job as she does

Does he?

Says the man who’s constantly accused a journalist of bias without producing any evidence at all?

You’ve been given many clear examples, but you just start waffling on about Robert Peston and calling people sexist instead of engaging with them.

It’s a bit unhinged really, like you’ve decided she’s some sort of mad villain.

Oh cool more ad homs and an implication of mental illness. You must have a really strong argument.

Given that you consistently single out the only political editor with a vagina, I’ll draw my own conclusion.

YOU’RE the one making an issue of her sex. To me, it’s irrelevant.

Well she was talking about the parties she attended at the Labour Conference on Newscast. Pretty sure she mentioned the Mirror Party.

Ok so let’s see the evidence then. Still won’t remove the fact she’s a tory stooge though.

Oh cool more ad homs and an implication of mental illness. You must have a really strong argument.

It’s not going well for them, is it? 🙁

Given that you consistently single out the only political editor with a vagina, I’ll draw my own conclusion

It’s a very small sample size to be making such unpleasant accusations over isn’t it.

Perhaps you need to stop making snide insinuations about other people’s motives.

1. Irony

2. You were asked what your motive was and you came up with something utterly unconvincing. So in a vacuum people guess motives.

Well, she’s the only political editor in the country that routinely needs a body-guard. Like I say, I saw the 38 degrees poll while it was online, and I’ve seen some of the grotesque abuse hurled her way. It’s hard to draw much else as a conclusion as to why she, amongst damn near every other political journalist, gets singled out.

Well, she’s the only political editor in the country that routinely needs a body-guard.

That’s terrible but has zero to do with me.

Like I say, I saw the 38 degrees poll while it was online, and I’ve seen some of the grotesque abuse hurled her way.

So you are playing the white knight? Cool. Again, awful but nothing to do with me.

It’s hard to draw much else as a conclusion as to why she, amongst damn near every other political journalist, gets singled out.

Show me other leading political journalists displaying such worrying lack of impartiality then, that might make your claim of sexism more convincing.

That’s terrible but has zero to do with me.

You’re part of a mob telling lies about her.

It’s like the murder of Jo Cox, if you keep inciting people by repeatedly making up lies about someone one day some nutter is going to do something about it.

Riiiiiiight.

OK you’re just trolling now, I’m done.

It’s hard to draw much else as a conclusion as to why she, amongst damn near every other political journalist, gets singled out.

the conclusion is that she is a tory stooge and part of the propaganda machine knowingly or not

Far more like than because she is female.

the conclusion is that she is a tory stooge and part of the propaganda machine knowingly or not

Far more like than because she is female

So the Torys say she’s biased because she’s a Tory Stooge?

Or are all the accusations of bias motivated by nefarious motives except yours?

You’re part of a mob telling lies about her.

Oh dear. All we’ve done is posted up info from the internet, verifiable facts, and now we’re ‘part of a mob telling lies about her’?

You should take up long jumping as a sport, Donnie.

OOB – there are all ranges of views – but there is no doubt that cummings used Kussenberg to deliver unnattributable briefings and that she us far too cosy with an uncritical of the Tories for a supposed impartial journalist.

Its obvious

All we’ve done is posted up info from the internet, verifiable facts,

Claiming she was singing with Gove when in fact she was at a sone kind party with load of other journos is intended to mislead to the point where it’s a lie.

Claiming she was singing with Gove when in fact she was at a sone kind party with load of other journos is intended to mislead to the point where it’s a lie.

Except that the only person making such a claim, is Dominic Penna, who as far as I know, isn’t on this forum. So perhaps it’s better to direct your ire at him, rather than making false accusations against us.

And maybe just step away and occupy yourself with something more positive instead. Because this is unedifying.

there is no doubt that cummings used Kussenberg to deliver unnattributable briefings

I was watching those tweets as they were sent and they were fine. In fact I’m pretty sure I started following her on Twitter then *because* she was giving their (evolving!) version(s) of events, I bet I wasn’t the only one that day.

It didn’t show Cummings in a favourable light – quite the opposite so if she hadn’t shared what she was being told you’d be accusing her of concealing information from the heart of the story.

I’m damn sure that if anyone from any party told her newsworthy stuff she’d do the same.

In this case even without attributes it was clear where it was coming from, we all know what “sources close to” means.

And it was being retweeted by credible journos. Are they biased too? Or was it just newsworthy stuff that everyone wanted to know.

There’s none so blind…

I’m kinda tired of “an anonymous source said…” If you can’t name your source then put your own reputation on the block: “… and I believe this to be true.”

Beyond that we’re spiralling dangerously close to Daily Mail “asking a question” headline material. “Does curry powder cause cancer?” No, of course it doesn’t, but the genie’s out of the bottle and your readers are wondering now.

I remember when journalists used to investigate news rather than regurgitate something someone said in the pub, or flat out make shit up. Different times.

I’m kinda tired of “an anonymous source said…” If you can’t name your source then put your own reputation on the block: “… and I believe this to be true.”

100pc agree with that.

Except instead of ‘believe’ they should actually check.

…but are us punters willing to pay for that thoroughness these days?

If you can’t name your source then put your own reputation on the block: “… and I believe this to be true.”

I think it needs separating out into the different types of anonymous source which comes down to those whistleblowing vs those pushing the corporate/government line.
An anonymous source reported company x was sacrificing children.
vs
A anonymous source at company x hq said this was incorrect and they only sacrificed consenting adults.

Allowing the latter to push the narrative they want without actually having to attach names to it makes it easier for them to discard the defence once inconvenient/proved to be utterly false. Whereas if you have press officer a then next time they sprout some lies any good journalist can prefix it with “just to remind you last time they got caught sacrificing children the excuse was it was only baby rabbits”
Peter Oborne has written a fair amount on the subject.

I think it needs separating out into the different types of anonymous source which comes down to those whistleblowing vs those pushing the corporate/government line.
An anonymous source reported company x was sacrificing children.
vs
A anonymous source at company x hq said this was incorrect and they only sacrificed consenting adults.

Nope. Either of those claims could be wrong or even both. You have to actually check.