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  • Tsvangirai loses some of his liberal glamour…
  • br
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    I think that gay 'rights' quite rightly should be well down his 'issues' list, when just staying alive is probably a current concern along with how to get his country out of the mess.

    It's pretty clear that a significant portion of the general population of Zimbabwe agree with the views quoted in the news article, R4 was reporting on this the other night and I don't think they found one African who thought that legitimising/recognising homosexuality was a good thing

    And I think you'll find if you did an equivilent poll in the UK, it would be a significant portion too 😉

    MrWoppit
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    And I think you'll find if you did an equivilent poll in the UK, it would be a significant portion too

    Quite.

    HeathenWoods
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    I think that gay 'rights' quite rightly should be well down his 'issues' list, when just staying alive is probably a current concern along with how to get his country out of the mess.

    Hmm. Whereas in the West, a cynic might say, it's easier to support gay rights than to tackle fundamental problems such as the wealth divide, sunk estates and a growing proportion of disenfranchised, oh how did Marx put it? The lumpen proletariat? Politics made easy. A bit like wringing hands over an imperialist past whilst washing hands of the present.

    Mind you, who'd be so cynical as to say such a thing?

    ernie_lynch
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    I suppose I was a bit harsh on him.

    Well I wouldn't be too tolerant of him. Homophobia in Africa is as every bit as unacceptable as it was in Britain in the 1960s. And Mugabe's attacks on gay men is one of the most despicable characters of the Zimbabwean government.

    I reckon it's important though, to consider a couple reasons which probably contribute to why Africa is lagging behind in accepting gay rights. Firstly Aids.

    I remember when the threat from Aids first hit the tabloid front pages. People throughout the Western World were whipped into a hysteria about this new killer disease which was spread by gay men. Aids sufferers were being identified and people demanded that they be moved out of their localities. Just being gay meant people considered you to be a threat and there was a widespread rise in homophobia.

    However gradually, as a result of information campaigns, good communications, education, modern medicine, and that iconic picture of Princess Diana firmly shaking the hand of a gay Aids sufferer, the public perception of the Aids threat changed – and a much greater tolerance of gay lifestyles resumed.

    Africa where Aids (probably) originated on the other hand, has suffered much more from Aids, due to a lack of education, medicine, poverty, and poor communications. Although Aids is widespread in the heterosexual populations, it is still more prevalent amongst homosexual men. I have little doubt that if the 'Aids issue' was not there, there would be a much greater acceptance of homosexuality in Africa.

    The other major difference between Africa and the Western World which undoubtedly contributes to Africa lagging behind in recognising gay rights, is just straight forward 'education'. Education greatly contributes in helping people understand other people.

    But fear not Woppit, things are changing in Africa. As you know, gay rights, a subject which I note from your recent posts is close to your heart, is historically most championed by left-wing progressive movements – in the face of stiff resistance from right-wing reactionary ones. And the ANC in South Africa provides the promise of a better future for many gay men in the African continent.

    Let me give a little history lesson ……….. which I know you enjoy so much.

    In 1887 under British rule, sodomy became illegal in South Africa. In 1957 the right-wing reactionary Apartheid Regime made it illegal "for men to engage in any sort of erotic contact in situations where more than two people were present". In 1994 the Apartheid Regime finally collapsed, the ANC came to power, and the laws were repealed.

    In 1996 (under ANC rule) South Africa became the first country in the world to provide lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender people, protection under its' constitution.

    Then in 2006, despite the fact that homophobia had once been very widespread within the ANC, South Africa became the first country in Africa, and the fifth in the world, to legalise same-sex marriages.

    Something which that beacon of freedom, liberal tolerance, and democracy, the United States, has yet to achieve…….and something which it bans under the "Defense of Marriage Act".

    In some areas at least, Africa leads the way on gay rights over the West.

    konabunny
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    Just at the moment, I have no interest in what you are saying. At all.

    Sorry.
    You mean, "I just wanted to let you know that I am not interested in what you're saying, and so I'm posting this comment to let you know that I considered your comment to decide whether or not I was interested in it, and my response is that I am not interested in it. However, I may reconsider that decision at a later time".

    Meanwhile, someone else said that Netanyahu probably doesn't like gays any more than he likes Palestinians. Actually, Israel's not such a bad place to be gay (relatively speaking, and certainly in comparison to other countries in the region – there are supposedly a few gay Palestinians and other Arab refugees in Israel) and Netanyahu dropped by an LBGT club that had been attacked by bigots and criticised Iranian and other countries' bigotry in the UN: http://www.gaypatriot.net/2009/09/25/in-un-speech-netanyahu-condemns-iran-for-subjugation-of-gays/ He is still, of course, a gigantic tosser.

    ernie_lynch
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    He is ………. a gigantic tosser.

    You've seen that video then ?

    Personally, I thought the quality was too poor to be sure it was him.

    westkipper
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    Okay, so I wuz wrong about Benji- he likes gay folk after all! :-), he just hates unreasonable Palestinians (gay or straight) that oppose having their land taken away.
    I apologise.

    MrWoppit
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    Let me give a little history lesson ..

    No ta. Phil the Greek farting is much more interesting.

    project
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    Strange how not one openly gay man has commented on this thread, perhaps due to the back door discrimination that still exists,on here and in real life.

    Ernie Lynch i do so love your 2 minute history lessons.

    HeathenWoods
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    back door discrimination

    trying not to rofl.

    deadlydarcy
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    Ernie Lynch i do so love your 2 minute history lessons.

    They're Ernie's HIstory Nuggets….like chicken nuggets…taste like the whole chicken, just smaller…

    ernie_lynch
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    Mr Woppit – Member

    No ta

    Thank you for confirming to me that you have read my rather long and laborious post.

    I did say to myself as I was writing it, "I hope he reads this **** post, after the effort I'm putting into it".

    Still, I guess it should come as no surprise to me that you religiously read all my posts.

    project
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    Ernie i think Mr Woppit may secretly be haveing a crush on you.

    konabunny
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    Strange how not one openly gay man has commented on this thread

    How would you tell?

    johnners
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    I comment in an openly gay sort of way about 5% of the time, I like to keep it representative.

    soulwood
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    Is it really that surprising that there is so much anti gay feeling in Africa when so many of the population is being ripped apart by AIDS? You could say that its down to promiscuity among hetro's but when a people believe having sex with a 9mth old baby can cure you of AIDS how can you expect them not to blame gays for the AIDS epidemic? After all, where did it come from in the first place? Thats the question they ask, the politicians are supposed to represent the people…

    MrWoppit
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    ernie_lynch – Member

    Mr Woppit – Member

    No ta

    Thank you for confirming to me that you have read my rather long and laborious post.

    Nope. Just scanned it and saw the relevant sentence. Replied to that. Couldn't be bothered with the rest of it.

    I did say to myself as I was writing it, "I hope he reads this **** post, after the effort I'm putting into it".

    Don't take it too hard, sweetie.

    How's the milk float today?

    ernie_lynch
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    ……..saw the relevant sentence…… Couldn't be bothered with the rest of it.

    Ah, so you struggled through about three quarters of it, got to the bit about a 'history lesson' and decided at that point, that you couldn't go on. Fair comment. In future I'll try and give you our little lessons in smaller chunks to help you deal with your poor concentration issues.

    My fault really – it should have occurred to me that you might struggle. Still, you managed three quarters of it, so I'm sure you got something out of it.

    BTW, I liked the "How's the milk float today?" 😀

    That's because of Benny Hill's "Ernie" song isn't it ? LOL !……….very good 8)

    MrWoppit
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    Ah, so you struggled through about three quarters of it,

    Nope – I scanned it. Very quickly.

    n future I'll try and give you our little lessons in smaller chunks

    Well, you could, but you'd be wasting your time, really. I don't read them.

    My fault really – it should have occurred to me that you might struggle. Still, you managed three quarters of it, so I'm sure you got something out of it.

    See above.

    help you deal with your poor concentration issues.

    Nicely pompous touch. Suits you.

    Scuttling off, now…

    konabunny
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    Woppit – so far you've flounced off this thread twice and made three posts saying how uninterested you are in what poster X is saying. And yet you keep coming back and replying practically line-by-line! If you think someone is tedious or trolling you, then just MTFU and ignore them.

    ernie_lynch
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    Nope – I scanned it. Very quickly.

    And yet, you were still able to pick out the points I was making 8)

    As konabunny suggests, I reckon you've been peeking at my posts and reading them – despite pretending not to.

    ……..you cheeky little poppet you 😀

    johnners
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    Woppit and ernie, sitting in a tree…

    MrWoppit
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    … fighting over the saw…

    DrJ
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    MrWoppit
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