Forgive me Michelin Crossclimate 2s….. I’ve been unfaithful…

I thought I’d finally figured it out..the holy grail answer to the question “what car tyres”…

For years, and for many cars, it was always “michelin crossclimate 2s innit…”…. Had them on the old Skoda..Put them on the LEAF, and on the OH’s Polo…

Wanted them for my Polestar2, but there seemed to be a shortage in my size.
Then..whilst perusing the adrenaline fuelling website that is “tyre reviews”, it seems the CC2 is no longer the only prom king on the block…

Thus, I have now had fitted to my car 4 brand new Bridgetone Turanza all season 6s…

Will the michelin gods smite me down, or will I actually notice no real difference!

Probably the latter, because this is the michelin:

And this is the Bridgestone..

So remarkably similar patterns!

Will be interesting (or not!) to see if there’s any economy difference in the EV..

Anyone else used these recently released tyres??

DrP

There are a few crossclimate clones now… I looked at a few when counting the pennies… stuck with Michelin’s in the end because the price difference was peanuts in the grand scheme of things.

The Stopping in the wet was really good for the Bridgestone… As were the wear figures. Not much ££ in it between these and the CC2s… maybe £60 for the car, but that WAS with a discount code. It was the availability in 245/45 r19…

DrP

i just fitted a set of Goodyear 4Seasons Gen3. Was on ‘normal’ summer tyres before. The GY def less crisp on turn in, but are def more comfy.

think they are a bit less ‘all season’ than the Mic CC2

i got Goodyear 4Seasons Gen3 as they where much cheaper than the crossclimates in my car’s size
They seem good, handled winter without any issues

I’m on the predecessor, Bridgestone Weathercontrol, at the minute. They’ve been perfectly good so far. It was the fact they’re biased toward wet/cold conditions (i.e. not snow/ice) that sold me on them… This is Britain, and I’m in a bit where it rains quite a lot and snows only a little.

the holy grail answer to the question “what car tyres”…

“Whatever reasonable brand all season is in stock.”

With a side order of shooting for something biased toward the cold/wet.

Long time Michelin Cross Climate user here from an Honest John recommendation a decade ago

Next replacements will be a change to Goodyear 4 Seasons which have been well reviewed by multiple motoring magazine group tests

Helpful to read about your Bridgestone real world experience… looking at the tread patterns all the manufacturers look to have caught up and copied one another, which is good for the consumer with more options which hopefully drives prices down

I thought the Contis came out top of the tree in that recent test up there^? What made you choose Bridgestone over Conti once you’d decided to be unfaithful pls?

I’m on the predecessor, Bridgestone Weathercontrol, at the minute. They’ve been perfectly good so far. It was the fact they’re biased toward wet/cold conditions (i.e. not snow/ice) that sold me on them

I’ve got those too, chosen with the same rationale as you mention. That plus helpfully they were £430 fitted for a set of 205/45r17 compared to £575ish for CC2s at the time.

I thought the Contis came out top of the tree in that recent test up there^? What made you choose Bridgestone over Conti once you’d decided to be unfaithful pls?

The conti isn’t available in my size.. I think were they available, I’d have gone for those..

I got my tyres from Kwikfit (the local one to me is actually really good…YMMV).. with a discount code was £810 fitted and balanced..

DrP

I had the Bridgestone A005 and found the durability to be really poor. Never quite got a straight answer from Bridgestone as to whether 5000 miles was expected lifespan or not. Tread depth decreased rapidly, but they actually failed in quite a strange manner with large chunks of tread coming off.

Replaced with Kumho and Good Year all seasons, which have been equally good and lasted longer than the Bridgestone. Chosen due to availability and price

i got Goodyear 4Seasons Gen3 as they where much cheaper than the crossclimates in my car’s size

Same here, put a set of Goodyear Vectors on my car for £368 back in Oct 22. Luckily it’s a relatively cheap and common size (225/45 R17). Michelin would have been maybe £60 more and they’re just not worth it to me. I’m dubious about whether there’s any real world difference between one tyre and another in the same quality/use bracket anyway.

Never quite got a straight answer from Bridgestone as to whether 5000 miles was expected lifespan or not

I’d expect not! I got 30000 miles out of a pair of Bridgestones on the back axle of my 320D. Granted they were Driveguard rather than A005s, and you may drive rather more enthusiastically than me but 5000 miles surely can’t be right.

yeah..5k is eith cos the tyre is naff, or you’re making Gymkhana Hoonigan videos…

DrP

Sadly, with my tyres included on my scheme, Tusker insist on only fitting the original tyres. Horrid, hard but very £££ eco Michelins. Whenever it’s wet/greasy/cold  they really squirm & I hate them.

@a11y – compliments on your driveway condition

I’m more driving miss daisy than Ken Block, but granted it is a front-heavy diesel MPV which is usually good for a minimum of 12k from other front all season tyres. Think it may have been a duff batch.

The current Hankook all seasons are on 16k miles and have plenty of tread left – I’ve been very impressed with them from a price/lifespan/wet performance perspective

DrP – If I understand correctly, you have a new car. Do I further understand that you have replaced the (new) tyres? May I inquire what you have done with the old ones? Keeping them in the garage for … what?

Not new.. new to me…it’s a 70 plate!  Old tyres had 40k on them, were 2 or 3 different brands, and though had a few mm on them, I feel safer with all seasons…

DrP

Not new.. new to me…

Aah – OK. I’ll be replacing my tyres with all season, but not until the current ones are worn out. Which feels odd – if I’m concerned about safety I should do it anyway, right?

I had the Bridgestone A005 and found the durability to be really poor. Never quite got a straight answer from Bridgestone as to whether 5000 miles was expected lifespan or not. Tread depth decreased rapidly, but they actually failed in quite a strange manner with large chunks of tread coming off.

Sample size of one, but, mine are currently on 10k miles, I have yet to spot the tread wear. I expect another year – easily – from the fronts. Diesel estate, 245/45R18, FWIW, driving style? I guess I did accelerate that one time last year to merge into motorway traffic, but apart from that I’m “Driver Least Likely To Be Making Progress.”

Mich CC2 haven’t been the best choice for UK conditions for a while.  They excel in snow conditions but they are let down on their wet weather performance.  I would argue for UK conditions you would want to sacrifice some snow performance for wet weather performance and have more of an all rounder or something biased towards dry and wet performance.

For my 206 with 15 inch wheels I decided to go for Hankook all season tyres, they had good dry handling (cold and warm) with OK wet and snow performance.   Better in the wet than the Mich CC2 not as good in the snow but miles better than a summer tyre.

with a discount code was £810

That’s a lot of money for tyres. 😱

I’m erring towards Continental again when I need. I had a pair on the Leon and they were superb compared to the ‘we have them in stock’ Maxxis that got fitted when I bought it.

with a discount code was £810

That’s a lot of money for tyres. 😱

I’m erring towards Continental again when I need. I had a pair on the Leon and they were superb compared to the ‘we have them in stock’ Maxxis that got fitted when I bought it.

@DrJ

The polestar is a hefty, fast, powerful car..that I drive up and down the a27 with me and my kids on several times a week… It’s been so wet, with standing water, over the past few years, that I’ve ALWAYS erred on the side of caution and stuck decent (i.e branded all season) tyres on my cars, even if the tyres provided have a few mm of legal tread depth remaining.. Heck, even the LEAF felt so much more stable and safer with mich CC2s..

It might be overkill for safety, but a price I’m happy to pay. If it was a brand new polestar, the OEM tyres are FAIRLY good, so i’d have ran them for 40 odd k i suspect…!

And yeah, £810 is the most i’ve EVER spent on tyres! The LEAF was about £105 per corner, the Octavia about £120… FFS..Fancy car, drop ya pants type thing!!

DrP

I watched that review up ☝🏼 the other day, and the top three made interesting viewing. I’ve got Mich CC2’s on the front of my EcoSport, and the original Goodyears on the back, the CC2’s weren’t my first choice, but I got them through work and had them fitted there, and choice was limited. The CC2’s were a big improvement over the OEM’s, but when I eventually need new rears I’ll get the Pirelli or Bridgestone all-seasons on the front and swap the CC2’s to the rear.

Dunno when that’ll be, though, ‘cos my mileage has dropped off a cliff and I’ve still got around 4.5-5mm of tread all round. By the time I actually need tyres, the all-seasons will probably all have been upgraded again!

I’ve got the Contis on my BMW, they are superb, comfortable and quiet and very good on my mpg, seem to have gone up 4mpg on the motoway.  Mind you, they’ll be in a muddy field on Sunday so let’s see if I get out.

As soon as the shitty Eco contacts are even close to worn they’ll be some going on the other car.

The conti isn’t available in my size.. I think were they available, I’d have gone for those..

Phew! I thought id misremembered/misinterpreted the review. I think it was a bit close but Contis came out just ahead of Bridgestone on performance and cheaper than the Michelins – but not by much. Mebbies a tank of fuel for four?

Ive just had to replace my michelin cc 1’s and just went for the 2’s as the old ones had been so good. Really made the car feel comfy and solid in horrible driving conditions.

When i put the receipt in the car folder i noticed the mileages – 46,000 from a set of tyres! I have a 100 mile round trip commute which is 70 miles motorway, 30 miles horrible potholey country lanes, and every 2 weeks or so a 300 mile round trip cross country across dorset, somerset and devon so not exactly light use. AWD SUV so heavy car too.

Hope the new ones match expectations but interesting to see theres more options now.

Worth keeping an eye on Costco offers.

I just got a set of 4 x 245/45-19 Bridgestone Turanza 6 (summers) fitted for £580.

Cheapest elsewhere was Blackcircles at £650

I watched that review up ☝🏼 the other day, and the top three made interesting viewing.

Incredibly thorough, wonder how pays for it all, hiring the track etc can’t be cheap and viewing figures aren’t that high…

Holey Moley. Tyres are expensive. I recently bought a new to me car. I wanted All Seasons. National Tyres had a deal on Rotalla Setulas (budget) for 4 for less than £200. I bought them as I am not a performace user.

(Un)Fortunately they weren’t available, and I was offered Falken As210s instead for the same price. The garage that supplied my car bought back the part worn Continental ECO-summer-whatevs for £35 each, leaving me with 4 new not-quite-the-top-of the-pack-but-still-decent All Season tyres for a total of outlay of £36. I think that was just right place right time. I hope thay last more than 12K!

 I hope thay last more than 12K

It doesn’t matter for £36! What do you want, jam on it? 😆

@CountZero just reading through the thread and noticed your thoughts on fitting a pair of new tyres to the front

Just a consideration, but the general consensus these days is to put a pair of NEW tyres on the rear axle of a car, not the front – as it helps with stability, aquaplanning, and particularly when braking whete over 80% of the force is put through the front tyres, the rears being unweighted need as much grip as possible…

Kwik Fit – “Newest tyres should be fitted to the rear axle”

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Incredibly thorough, wonder how pays for it all, hiring the track etc can’t be cheap and viewing figures aren’t that high…

I thought that… i love how calm and composed, and lacking in hyperbole his reviews are. Me like…

DrP

Had Bridgestone all seasons on the festa for about a year now No idea what model but were relatively cheap compared to the michelins. Felt really secure on snow not long after fitting but seem to have hardened up and are less awe inspriing this season. Still perfectly adequate and more than happy with them. I am quite happy to hit the deep flooded sections of the valley road at 60 mph without any fear of aquaplaning so they must be doing something right!

Swapped out 4 Goodyear eagle asymmetrics for 4 Goodyear vector 4seasons gen 3 a few months ago as my front eagles needed replacing, plus I felt uneasy at how the eagles ‘clunk’ about when the roads get cold, then looking at the reviews noticed how terrible the performance tyres were for braking in the cold and wet.

Although the eagles are a phenomenal tyre I actually prefer the vectors on my cloverleaf Alfa giullietta, maybe because that car has fairly poor steering feel for an Alfa and the vectors provide more ‘feel’ through them having less vice-like grip – although I am not talking about driving at any more than road legal speeds here. I haven’t spent time working out the best pressures for them yet and are just using the same pressures I used for the eagles, so maybe they are also fractionally high.

Aah – OK. I’ll be replacing my tyres with all season, but not until the current ones are worn out. Which feels odd – if I’m concerned about safety I should do it anyway, right?

TBH, as we’re just entering the warmer and supposedly better half of the year, as long as the ones you have have enough tread (I change mine once past about 3mm) and aren’t ditchfinder specials, I’d probably get another 6 months and change in Sept/Oct. I’d also note though that availability in Oct might not be the same as now.

If they need replacing I’d go to decent all seasons without a moment’s hesitation

@DrP You must have been unlucky as “The Bavarian Barge” was fitted with a set of 19 inch 245/45 CC2’s in December last year. So far I’m impressed at cold and wet stopping distances. As they’re not run-flats the ride has improved a tad too. I’m unlikely to get any experience with icy roads this winter season.

Yeah.. when I had a look about a month ago a few places had the CC2s.. but now nowhere has them.

I’ve put about 90 miles on the Bridgestones so far, and they feel more comfortable than the OEM mix i had, and nice and quiet too.

DrP