Bad actors stoking hate again (Southport Stabbings)

Also, why not let asylum seekers work? Not with an NI number or bank account, but cash-on-friday basic labouring, fruit picking etc.

Ah, because then they’d be “taking are jobz”.

There’s a meme for Schrödinger’s Immigrant somewhere – explains this fix perfectly.

typical White British van drivers

The ones who work cash in hand then complain about their taxes being spent on immigrants, single mothers etc?

White Van Man, irrespective of whether it is helpful or not, is a long-established societal stereotype that is convenient shorthand for, well, you know what…

See also ‘Karen’, ‘Yummy Mummy’, ‘Toff’ and any other common usage term. It’s really not worth getting in a flap about.

I had a similar incident to “bus man” many years ago when some young scrote was kicking off because the driver wouldn’t let him on without a fare. He was clearly upset because, as he pointed out rolling up his trouser leg to proudly display his tag, he would be in trouble if he wasn’t home before curfew. After much licking and spitting several of us got up to help him off the bus. On his way off he pointed me (the smallest of the pack) declaring “speccy’s going down”. His girl friend, or sister, or both, was a right chav too.

if you are the type of person who leans out of vans to abuse a stranger I’d assumed you were as likely to be anti Semitic as have an issue with Muslims

Likely to be an all-round bigoted **** yeah. But following the successful anti-fascist counter-demonstrations against the far-right riots the Palestinian flag is now likely to attract the wrath of knuckle-draggers even more, as they saw it on the telly in news reports about far-right counter-demonstrators. And my flag was rather large :-)

It’ll be interesting to see what his sentence is.

Well he has been remanded in custody so more than a tap on the back of the wrist I would imagine

slowoldman

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I had a similar incident to “bus man” many years ago

That illustrates a point. We’re dealing (in many cases) with 3rd/4th generation slobs here. Impossible to engage with constructively.

Said scrote almost certainly has kids now.

I’d give them a  bank account an NI number, Finefilly. The only way to avoid exploitation in the black labour market.

A Palestinian flag in a demo seems fine as does a St Georges flag at a football match. Context is everything and outside of those contexts they’re both unnecessary provocation to somebody. Keep the flag in the bag till you get to the demo.

I’ve received the verdict from Facebook after I reported an article by Tommy Robinson urging the people of Yeovil to rise up and march . According to them there’s nothing wrong with it , it’s all fine ?

When I contacted the paper it came from  even they agreed with me , apologised and edited it , they also said I did the right thing reporting it to FB .

@convert thanks for the clarification. Probably my misreading as much as anything.  I should have realised as what I thought I read was so out of character with anything you normally post.

That’s my point. Currently, asylum seekers can’t work legally, so do it illegally, which costs more for the taxpayer (enforcemnt, deportation, detection etc). I’m talking about an approved system of casual employment, earning up to 80% of NMW, for example. It removes the stigma of ‘burden to society’, provides self-esteem and structure to asylum seekers and undermines the argument of the UK being soft on immigration.

Keep the flag in the bag till you get to the demo.

No way, the bike ride from my place to the startup point is less than 10 minutes. It had to be set up on a 3 metre fishing rod zip tied to my rack. Obviously I don’t cycle around with a Palestinian flag all the time.

That was my point – in the short 10 minute bike ride I got two separate lots of abuse when normally, especially in Croydon, I wouldn’t expect any.

It seems to me to be a reflection of recent events surrounding far-right racist rioting.

Ironically I also found the level of support from ordinary punters on the streets and vehicle drivers to be even more than one previous occasions. It seems that the racist riots have polarised people even more – the racists have become nastier and the anti-racists have become more vocal.

As for antisemitism vs islamophobia, you’d probably have copped abuse if you’d been cycling around with a star of david too. Anything pro any minority/foreign group is equally a target for knuckle-dragging racists, consistency isn’t their strong point.

This made I larf..! Apols if it’s bin dun.

I’ve received the verdict from Facebook after I reported an article by Tommy Robinson urging the people of Yeovil to rise up and march . According to them there’s nothing wrong with it , it’s all fine

I’ve reported a few incitement posts to FB this last week and they’ve taken no action on any. Maybe we’ve focused too much on TwiX

You specifically stated on the previous page you don’t want them to have an NI number, finefilly. Why not? And why shou they earn less as you state on this page. They are humans not subhumans to be underpaid, exploited and with none of the benefits NI gives.

No reason not to give them an NI number , in Spain I have an NIE

NIE (Foreign Identification Number)
The NIE is assigned to foreign people who need to carry out procedures in Spain, such as working, studying or buying property. Although similar to the NIF in format, the NIE is intended to identify individuals who are not Spanish citizens. It is essential to formalize legal matters in the country.

goes in the same boxes as a normal Spanish persons NIF.

NIF (Tax Identification Number)
The NIF is a tax identification code assigned to natural and legal persons in Spain. In the case of individuals, it usually coincides with their ID. For companies and other entities, the NIF is unique and is used in commercial transactions, contracts and tax returns. It can have various letters at the beginning, which indicate the type of entity

Rusi think tank on “Two Tier” responses to Islamist and Far right violence

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/article/2024/aug/11/uk-two-tier-treats-far-right-attacks-less-harshly-islamist-violence-rusi

in Spain I have an NIE

But you are probably not seeking asylum in Spain?

In the UK anyone waiting up to a year for their asylum application to be processed is not allowed to work.

After a year if it isn’t their fault that there is a delay then they can apply for a work permit for certain types of work

Not yet,but my visa is still being processed(taking around 3 years),which means no leaving Spain or driving (as you cannot hold a driving licence without residency and a U.K. one is not recognised after 6 months) :-(

What I was getting at was that  the U.K. could do something similar, actually processing applications in a sensible time would be way better.

Putting  peoples lives ‘on-hold’ is pretty grim.

I play my guitar in the local park. Early afternoon there are groups of young refugees hanging around with nothing better to do than chat and mess on their phones. They’re polite, articulate and unable to work in France for the first six months. Meanwhile there are labour shortages in local busineses.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/article/2024/aug/12/tommy-robinson-passport-may-be-invalid-say-irish-mps

“It is concerning that someone who is inciting racist violence across Britain and Ireland appears to be travelling on an Irish passport,” said Paul Murphy, a socialist parliamentarian.

“It is doubly concerning that the Canadian documentation suggests that his place of birth was falsely given as Ireland. Is that what it says on his passport? If so, his passport would have been issued on a fraudulent basis and could be revoked.”

Great. So the Irish might be able to wash their hands of the convicted criminal and racist thug but the Brits are stuck with him?

Bearing in mind that the committed troublemaker poses a considerably greater risk to the UK than Shamima Begum that is both remarkable and depressing.

Bearing in mind that the committed troublemaker poses a considerably greater risk to the UK than Shamima Begum that is both remarkable and depressing.

Which is an interesting conundrum – if one of them is our problem, surely both of them are?

If so, his passport would have been issued on a fraudulent basis

There are long standing rumours in conspiracy world that S Y-L has in the past been issued (as opposed to used fraudulently), at least two passports that were not his real name, including the Andrew McMaster one that landed him in prison. These go hand in hand with the rumours that many EDL activists (including Lennon) were in fact either working for the state as they were compromised*, or simply undercover cops

*The list of EDL activists convicted of child sex abuses (the very thing they claim to want to defend children from the gangs) is both grimly fascinating and bizarrely long.

“bizarrely long” would imply some sort of surprise at this.

surprised at the numbers certainly. It seems to make for the worlds’s most horrible Venn diagram.

Great. So the Irish might be able to wash their hands of the convicted criminal and racist thug but the Brits are stuck with him?

Can’t flee justice, unlikely to get a visa for the EU so can’t leg it to Cyprus/Spain when the heat gets too much (for more than 90 days out of 180 anyway), not sure whether Frontex will actually allow him into the EU anyway…

Irony here is that if his mother is Irish, he is an Irish citizen by default, and would be entitled to an Irish passport without (allegedly) fraudulent completion of the forms. Of course, he might have been born in Ireland and the ‘born in Luton’ stuff is all part of the Tommeh persona?

he might have been born in Ireland and the ‘born in Luton’ stuff is all part of the Tommeh persona?

Good point. I did wonder why he would lie about being born in Ireland as I knew for a fact that just having an Irish mother would be enough to qualify for an Irish passport

Edit: Not just the Luton Boy persona. Being born in Ireland would of course make him an immigrant

I believe Irish passports are technically a privilege for Irish citizens and not an entitlement. They used to make it harder to get a replacement if yours was stolen for instance.

My understanding of the citizenship rules (as an Ireland-born Irish parent of Irish children born in Britain) is the that there’s nuance. The children of an Irish citizen who was born in Ireland are automatically Irish (they may need to register their citizenship for official purposes), the children born outside Ireland of Irish citizens born outside Ireland may assert their Irish citizenship, and others may claim Irish citizenship if they meet various criteria. There are other rules for children born in Ireland to non-Irish parents.

Yaxley-Lennon presumably just committed fraud again.

Being born in Ireland would of course make him an immigrant

Oops

That would be a funny outcome.

I knew of the strong links between Stephen Lennon and wealthy zionists, I posted a link the other day to an article in the Times of Israel detailing precisely that, but I found this particularly shocking.

I believe that the claims made are probably very credible.  I had heard of the banned American zionist terrorist organisation but I was unaware that it had links with the EDL

Focussing on high profile individuals who’ve grifted a living off of it is all about yesterday. They came in like a wrecking ball, but took a brick to the head and then to the nuts.

Today and tomorrow will always be about the actually not so silent majority. They held the line, and brought a dustpan and brush.

That will be the collective memory.

Another great Brexit supporter, who made sure that the result of Brexit wouldn’t affect him :-(

My understanding of the citizenship rules (as an Ireland-born Irish parent of Irish children born in Britain) is the that there’s nuance

Irish citizenship laws are some of the broadest around. There was a more or less episode where someone asked “i keep reading x million of people in England are entitled to an Irish passport”. Unlike most episodes they actually concluded the number being quoted was actually on the low side.

As a child of an Irish born citizen then he would be automatically an Irish citizen in the same way if he was born in Ireland (somewhat awkward for those who have filled in forms asking about dual nationality and went “nahhh I havent filled in forms to claim Irish citizenship). Then his kids would be able to claim citizenship but wouldnt be automatically so.

I would tend towards it being a mistake on either the passport or by the Canadians since no obvious advantage for him of lying but then again he does have a track record of doing so.

The thing that I find weird about all these ideological extreme organisations that hate each other so much is that essentially the fascist far right EDL-a-like organisations, Zionist far right movements and extremist Islamist organisations all share the same set of fundamental beliefs; chauvinism, oppression, xenophobia, theocratic/ violent political authoritarianism, racism, homophobic/transphobic, and reactionary politics. They seem to all have this symbiotic need for each other to survive themselves.

The rest of us should offer them somewhere like Alaska where they can just **** off and have at each other until there’s nothing left of them.

The thing that I find weird about all these ideological extreme organisations that hate each other so much is that essentially the fascist far right EDL-a-like organisations, Zionist far right movements and extremist Islamist organisations all share the same set of fundamental beliefs; chauvinism, oppression, xenophobia, theocratic/ violent political authoritarianism, racism, homophobic/transphobic, and reactionary politics.

This. They’re cut from the same cloth.

They’re cut from the same cloth.

And boy, is there money to be made endlessly stirring up ‘X’ vs ‘Y’…

<rolls eyes>

The Bath Bomb Patriot is getting the bad news this afternoon.

Nearest the Bull wins.

I’m going 36 months.

●13 year old.

●Girl.

●Violent disorder.

●Kicking and punching a building.

Choose any combination of the above then shake your head at the state of some sections of our society.

If only the Tories had still been in power then the riots would have stopped sooner as rioters would have been met with an overwhelming Police response.

According to Tom Tootenhat talking out of his hat trying to become Tory leader.  How on Earth can Southport or Rotherham produce an overwhelming Police response – absolute Muppet.

Judge taking a dim view of ‘immigrants costing us millions’ line. Brutal.

These 2 Plymouth rioters have been convicted of 209 previous offences + they told the police they were rioting because immigrants cost the taxpayer too much money.

Judge Linford made them work out how much their offending had cost Britain's taxpayers over the last 38 years.?? pic.twitter.com/om2gvgK7MD

— Rebecca Tidy (@DrRebeccaTidy) August 14, 2024

Judge taking a dim view of ‘immigrants costing us millions’ line. Brutal.

Magnificent