Yep. I do with they’d give up with the torque cap dropouts though, there must only be about 5 people using them worldwide…

there must only be about 5 people using them worldwide…

1 here, can the the other 4 make yourselves known.

Also run torque caps.. Makes a difference

“1 here, can the the other 4 make yourselves known.”

Me too! Are we at five yet?

i use trque caps,

Seal head and foot nut also available for £20 or so.

<sigh> Just upgraded my upgrade purchases.

I’m running Torque caps, on Hope hubs

You learn something new every day – didn’t even know there was such a thing as torque caps.

Timely! I’ve been looking at Luftkappe or debonair for my old Pikes (2015…..) it reads that this should fit? Is that right?

Yeah I’m a bit confused about that too poah

I can see the benefit of in rising ride height, but will you lose small bump benefits of luftkapoe?

As much as I generally prefer Fox products, one really has to appreciate RS’s modular approach.

My standard fork recommendation for someone who’s not after bling has long been any Yari on discount of the right wheel size and offset and then just slap a charger damper and Debonair shaft of the desired travel

I can see the benefit of in rising ride height

honestly I’m not. you set your sag which is greater than the small amount of droop you get from the weight of the bike. Your bike has mass so why wouldn’t it put weight onto the forks?

Timely! I’ve been looking at Luftkappe

get the luftkappe

It doesnt reduce the negative does it?

yeah unless the pictures are completely skewing my perception the negative air volume is going to be smaller. Not the only one to have noticed that. The top of the new deal head is higher up than the older one and wider so there is going to be some volume reduction. Top out bumper also looks shorter.

No, the negative chamber is the same size, and the only 2 parts that have been changed are the foot nut and the seal head.

Annoyingly there’s no pictures of the seal head installed, but see that lip on the seal head? I think that’s where the end of the upper leg sits, with a small portion of the red seal head sitting lower/outside the upper leg. Whereas the current seal head fits 100% inside the upper legs.

Edit: service manual shows it all goes inside, but regardless, the negative spring is still the same size

Which means, the foot nut raises the air piston by 10mm, and the seal head raises the seal position by 10mm. Result: smaller positive chamber by half an air token, and same size negative chamber.

The reason the top out bumper looks smaller is because you’re not seeing it all as its hidden by the seal head.

Rockshox tops up 2021 Pike, Lyrik, Yari & Revelation forks w/ all-new Debonair Air Spring

Does anyone know if the seal head and foot nut are compatible with a 2015 pike? Ive already installed the debonair airshaft but wouldn’t mind fitting these being so cheap I just wonder on whether they are compatible with a pike going back to 2015?

Im also one who has never heard of torque caps? Whats the benefit of these? Do they work with a non boost 15mm front axle?

Thanks

@P20

luftkappe has bigger negative airspring than the debonair.

@ta11pau1

unless I’m not understanding how the negative air spring works. the distances between the two seals is different with the new one having less volume.

These 2 component changes move the air piston 10mm higher so that it sits in the dimple of the fork stanchion, this means the ride height from top-out to sag is higher and riders can benefit from more initial support. So with you’re air pressure set correctly, the new 2021 Debonair air spring will read the correct amount of travel at rest, and the correct sag when the rider is on board.