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I’m curious why you’re driving a 40-year-old car anyway?
This is the question in my head as well. Is it more 'fun' having this as a daily than a modern equivalent? Too many drawbacks for my liking if it is not also fun to drive.
I've always liked retro cars. Fell madly in love with my Mk2 Golf, sold it over lockdown when values went mental and made a good chunk of money on it, but the itch still needed scratching. The Escort came up locally, good price, and I part ex'd the van I was driving in for it.
I'm very happy with old cars, it's just not hitting the same spot as the Golf did. Hard to articulate really. I would still choose an old car again, what I'm finding is that some classics don't scratch the itch like others do. So either I work to make the Escort scratch the itch a bit better, or sell it to buy something that does scratch the itch.
Still no pictures.
Is it a cool 3 door, or hideously unfashionable 5 door?
Gotcha now.
Yeah, my mum had the 1.3 Escort mk3 "Laser" when I was at school, even with go-faster stripes and alloy wheels it was dull AF.
Still no pictures.
Popped one up on Imgur here: https://imgur.com/IIGaQUe
Can't work out how to embed or upload!
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Edit. Too slow.
That's worth something to the right person, and it's obvious that the right person is not you. I'd be the same, especially after a mk2 Golf. I've had one of those for eighteen years now!
Sell it to someone who'll appreciate it, and pick up a tatty Boxster.
Post images Hotlink paste isn't working either!
Here's the gallery link incase anyone wants a gander: https://postimg.cc/gallery/XvqzLPY
Can’t work out how to embed or upload!
Right-click, copy image address.
Or there's a 'share' button right next to the image on imgur which will give you a link (and adds a bit of fluff around the image).
That’s a beauty
Sell it, find another mk2 Golf.
As others have said, to the right person this will have a lot of value.
A) Appreciate it for what it is
B) Sell it to someone who wants it for what it is
Tinkering with it just seems wrong given it looks to be in showroom condition.
Restomods/sleepers are usually from shells saved from the scrapheap, and various Frankenstein parts.
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Free MemberAs others have said, to the right person this will have a lot of value.
A) Appreciate it for what it is
B) Sell it to someone who wants it for what it isTinkering with it just seems wrong given it looks to be in showroom condition.
Restomods/sleepers are usually from shells saved from the scrapheap, and various Frankenstein parts.
👆 what they said
it's a lovely example, sell it and buy something more fun
Holy hell that looks mint like it just rolled out the factory. How much do you want for it?
1) keep as is
2) flog it
but I must vote
3)
"I’d be looking at a Zetec or ST170 engine, stiffer springs and shocks, custom exhaust, new brakes and larger diameter steel wheels and better tyres. " is absolutely the right answer.
Plug together Ford/Lego project. Most of that non-engine stuff would be standard RS turbo ford / pattern parts anyway, for suspension at least, and XR3 brakes, IIRC remember they avoided the crap ABS system the tubby got landed with.
With that you'd still have a reliable daily driver with around three times the welly in a light(ish) sensible (ish) retro box.
IIRC the 1800 zetec from a mk5 escort (The xr3i unit was 130hp IIRC) would be simplest thing to plug and play - the management unit would not need much messing around to get it going, the box is the same fitment - all the induction clobber would be plug and play, plus it retains factory driveability.
Whatever - put some decent security in it. These were comically easy to break into and hotwire.
YMMV in many ways.
* assuming the engine mounts are welded on properly. Can't think of anything else that would need metalwork.
If you want something that feels small, light, agile and uncomplicated compared to modern fat hatches get an ST170 or ST150. Better engine and box in the Fiesta and easy to uncork for more power but those MK1 Focus's in blue look very smart.
I've driven a few mildly enhanced MK6 ST's and they were brilliant. I actually tried to buy an ST170 a few years ago and rust was a big issue along with stiff, notchy gearboxes. I'd still have one if I could find a good'un.
You could probably get one for the price of the Escort. Finding a nice Golf will be harder and cost more money if that's an issue. I don't know, you could be loaded.
Holy hell that looks mint like it just rolled out the factory. How much do you want for it?
Yeah, it's a good 'un. I reckon the right buyer would pay in the region of £5k - £5.5k, but those kind of buyers are probably few and far between.
feels small, light, agile and uncomplicated compared to modern fat hatches
Nailed it in one. Don't want a Golf R, or Cupra but could quite fancy an EP3, or Lupo GTi for example.
I had a 1984 B plate - 1.6 Ghia when I was 19 after my Mk2 got robbed off the driveway. It's was pretty quick and plush inside.
A tidy Mk3 is fetching some good money these days - unmolested ones though !
You need these guys to sell it for you...! 🙂
https://www.mathewsons.co.uk/bangers-and-cash/
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I'd just stick it on ebay and post the link in some FB Ford groups. You'll get thousands of views and you only need one buyer.
That is a thing of beauty. Go mad, take out a mahoosive loan, find a written off Focus ST and shoehorn in the engine. Coilovers and poly bushes everywhere. Keep the outside stock bar maybe a set of larger steels and lower profile tyres. Source some Recaros for the interior and start challenging twonks in Audi's at the lights
What do I know, whatever you decide you have a beaut there
I have an old MK3 Escort. It’s a 1985, 1.1L, 4 speed manual and in pretty mint, all original, condition. It’s also my daily driver, is very economical and (so far) reliable.
I'm calling bollocks - how has a '85 Ford not disolved into a pile of brown dust by 1990 let alone 2022?
I’m calling bollocks – how has a ’85 Ford not disolved into a pile of brown dust by 1990 let alone 2022
It's weird how some cars rust and others don't.
Some years ago I had a Sierra Sapphire, my parents had a hatchback Sierra. Both with the mighty 1.8 cvh, theirs a 1990 GLX, mine a 1989 GL.
Theirs rotted, mine didn't. From memory mine had a higher mileage too, they had theirs from new, mine was 3yrs/72000 miles old when I bought it.
I quite liked the Sapphire. Newest car I've ever owned. Was great fun in snow.
Given how nice and original it is I personally think it would be wrong to modify it and I love a restomod
Why folk would pay so much for a car of that era beats me
if it had not been so nice I would say go with modding it
Ford Sierras used to be amazing cheap fun. Not possible these days sadly.
I think the randomised rust was to do with how the body shells were treated between being welded together and painted. Some of them would have went straight from the line to the paint shop, some of them would have sat around for a while. Even the weather and humidity on the day would have made a difference.
I used to read too many Ford magazines.
The German built fords didn't rust, the UK ones did...I can't remember which models were built in each country though.
Cooking mk3s with too many doors are never going to be worth RS money but I expect you’d get more than 5 or 6k easily - and whoever bought it would be planning a sleeper zetec with XR3 brakes which they would do on their driveway for very little money. However easy they are to work on, if you’re paying someone to do it, it’s going to get into difficult to justify prices very rapidly - because you can always buy something better
I’d spend the winter dropping photos into the appropriate forums and Facebook groups and once it’s well known, stealth adds in the spring when those guys are thinking about quick summer projects
Then buy a classic Saab turbo for cheap, classic, reliable and hilariously rapid fun!
Keep for 3 years then sell to someone in London as 40 year old cars are exempt from the daily ULEZ charge.
https://tfl.gov.uk/modes/driving/ultra-low-emission-zone/discounts-and-exemptions#on-this-page-6
Free from tax and MOT after a while too! Cheap motoring. I love old cars.
Where's the pictures of the old gal? Spent the mid-nineties up and down the motorway clubbing in an old Escort.
Stick an st 170 engine in it.
Stick some decent suspension and brakes on it.
Swap it for my focus st.
Sorted.
Free from tax and MOT after a while too! Cheap motoring. I love old cars.
But not free from being roadworthy so you get it MOT anyway.....
But is exempt from ulez isn't it ? Certainly exempt from the local emission zone.
Given how nice and original it is I personally think it would be wrong to modify it and I love a restomod
Why folk would pay so much for a car of that era beats me
if it had not been so nice I would say go with modding it
Totally agree with 1 and 3, to answer 2; rarity. As has been pointed out, how many do you see being driven around? Pretty much any mass-produced car from any decade up to the 90’s is a real rarity now, and one in good condition is even rarer.
As a result, they’re valuable to people who just enjoy driving vehicles like that, and showing them at shows around the country. There are many people who will have never seen cars like that, except in a period tv show.
If I had the money, I’d love an Opel Manta Mk1, even just a shell in good Nick, and restomod it - I had one once, it’s a beautiful car, and Opel recently did an EV restomod of one, and it’s just lovely.
I expect you’d get more than 5 or 6k easily
Might be overbaking it a bit there? Still, right buyer... following wind...
If I had the money, I’d love an Opel Manta Mk1, even just a shell in good Nick, and restomod it
Yes. This is my "one that got away".
I know an expert fabricator/restoration bloke with at least 3 A-series shells. I'm too skint to contact him though.
I’m curious why you’re driving a 40-year-old car anyway?
I drive a 1990 Mk2 Golf GTi with some subtle mods, mostly because I still enjoy it a lot, I don't do huge distances or drive that much and it puts a smile on my face every time I drive it. Plus it's reliable, simple to work on and most parts are cheap and easy to source. It's not quick by modern standards, but it's quick enough and feels quicker than it is because everything about it is direct, you're not isolated from the world by acres of sumptuous plastic and sound proofing and... it's like vinyl versus digital, maybe. It feels alive.
It's emphatically not 'a nice place to be' - cue piped lounge music - and it's not particularly comfortable and it's hard to get some bits like sunroof gubbins and some bits of body trim, but hey, that's older cars for you. Not buying new cars is more sustainable too if that's important to you. Mostly I guess I have an emotional attachment to it and every time I drive a modern car - or the household T5 - I feel underwhelmed and bored by the experience.
If I had a family, a long commute or did regular motorway stuff, I'd make different choices, but I don't, so it works for me. I wouldn't own a bog stock 80s Escort though, I'd get rid for as much as possible and look for a nice Mk2 GTi. Good luck with that though, inflated prices and hard to find a decent, clean, un-ruined example these days. Or a Corrado, but that's a whole other can of expensive worms.
Do a project Binky with it?
Festival of the Unexceptional?
If you use it everyday, do you have another car to use while you’re modifying it?
Do you have the cash / space / skills / spare time / tools to do the work?
I’ve had motorbikes in bits, happily spent months with them off the road. Learned so much, didn’t cost much, had a garage to keep it in and friends to help me with it.
If doing it yourself it will probably take longer than you think..
Good luck!
As someone else said previously, if you're looking to stick an ST170 engine in it, just sell it and get a Focus ST170 or Fiesta ST150.
They're both still pretty lightweight for modern cars and Fords of that era are really great to drive.
Be a shame to modify such a nice example and I'm a massive fan of restomods as well.
That is truly vile, sell it and sell it quick.
I'd make yourself known to a few 'vehicle wranglers' for film and TV. Unremarkable period cars in good original condition are like hens teeth - but if you're wanting to film a scene set in the 80s or 90s you need whole streets worth of 80s and 90s cars but you don't want it to look like a classic car show. The problemn is the only cars most people have from that era are high spec or sporty editions which just looks dumb on screen if they're the only cars on the street.
You can make pretty good money that way - I've been paid £500 a day to hand around a film set with a 12 year old astra van 🙂