[Closed] Woy for Engerland ?

Woy is an excellent choice in the context of England's likely success in any future competition. Please can we now adjust our expectations accordingly.

{makes you wonder if/how much the FA know about dear old 'arry?}

Actually for all my cynicism, he seems a thoroughly decent bloke, so I hope that he doesn't endure the normal abuse that seems to be targeted at any England manager.

I do worry a bit about Woy. Having watched this at the time

I can't help thinking there's going to be an awful lot to induce that kind of behavior managing England.

He's going to have to sit in the dugout with a full face helmet on

Cant se eyou tube what is it about ?

I hope that he doesn't endure the normal abuse that seems to be targeted at any England manager.

TJ is correct you are naive 😀

problem is the fans have such unrealistic expectations...every win they are world conquerors and every loss they are useless

Imagine if an Everton fan reacted like this...Internationally England are Everton . The odd good cup run but they never win anything but they will always be amongst the top teams..

Ho, ho JY - at least there's a smiley on this thread!!

Out of interest - does Everton have a pre-season training program? Why are they so slow to get going? Do they just like coming from behind (did, I just say that?)?

I'll take Roy over Harry any day. On paper it's a non-contest.

I don't know anyone who want Harry as England manager yet I'm told by the press at every point that we all want him... The fact he'll do an interview while on the throne has nothing to do with this obviously.

And if he is reading this and considers it slanderous then... lol silly me, he's not reading.

ransos - Member
Like Rio Ferdinand, Joe Cole, Frank Lampard, Michael Carrick, Glen Johnson and Jermain Defoe?

I didn't realise he ran the West Ham academy.

ransos - add Gareth Bale to that list.

At Southampton? I guess we could add Walcott as well?

I didn't realise he ran the West Ham academy.

He gave all those players their first team debut, and all of them subsequently played for England. Regardless of any other managerial failings, the suggestion that he is poor at developing promising young talent is laughable.

Perhaps you could tell us about some other PL managers who are better at developing young players? Presumably they also manage their youth teams?

Out of interest - does Everton have a pre-season training program? Why are they so slow to get going? Do they just like coming from behind (did, I just say that?)?

Any manager that would buy Poulsen and Konchesky shouldn't be given the keys to the training ground, let alone anywhere near a national side.

Hodgson is an embarrasment to management for what happend when he tried to manage a 'big' club....

Hodgson is an embarrasment to management for what happend when he tried to manage a 'big' club....

Quite right. Just look at how Liverpool shot up the league after he was sacked.

ransos - Member

He gave all those players their first team debut, and all of them subsequently played for England. Regardless of any other managerial failings, the suggestion that he is poor at developing promising young talent is laughable.

Picking a clearly talented young player is not the same as developing them.

You might want to check who played how many times under Redknapp at West Ham. Defoe spent most of Redknapp's time at WHU in the reserves or at Bournemouth, and Johnson got his WHU debut while HR was managing Portsmouth. And if you think he had anything to do with Walcott and Bale's development at Southampton you're having a laugh - Redknapp had left by the time Bale got his debut, and Walcott started 13 times before he was sold to Arsenal.

Roy was let down by Liverpool, not the other way around.

Roy's record is better than King Kenny's at Liverpool. And Roy didn't spunk £120 million to do it, including the perfectly reasonable price of £35 million for Andy Carrol

Stop giggling at the back

Picking a clearly talented young player is not the same as developing them.

You might want to check who played how many times under Redknapp at West Ham. Defoe spent most of Redknapp's time at WHU in the reserves or at Bournemouth, and Johnson got his WHU debut while HR was managing Portsmouth. And if you think he had anything to do with Walcott and Bale's development at Southampton you're having a laugh - Redknapp had left by the time Bale got his debut, and Walcott started 13 times before he was sold to Arsenal.

So you're saying that despite Redknapp not developing these players, he just so happened to pick the right ones, they were all highly coveted by other clubs and went on to have very successful careers.

Yeah, right.

Roy is a 1 dimensional manager, his teams play 1 way, 1 style and whilst that's an effective way of playing with some squads, i'd rather put pins in my eyes than watch Liverpool play in the style of hodgson again.

I admit with Kenny, the league position isn't any better... but the football is a LOT nicer.

but the football is a LOT nicer

Unless you're a crossbar/post in which case you aren't a fan of Kenny's style 😉

portlyone - Member
Roy was let down by Liverpool, not the other way around

Roy was let down by himself and failing to understand what was most important at Liverpool.

Belief !!!!!

Whether it works out or not is open to debate of course, but you have to instill belief of invincibility.

When you're going to an away game at a league 2 club and in your pre match conference you say "well, it will be a very tough game they have a great squad."... well, you don't deserve to manage Liverpool FC.

Winning and playing nice football aren't mutually exclusive 😛

Roy is a 1 dimensional manager, his teams play 1 way, 1 style

Can't say I remember his style when winning those 5 league titles.

Picking a clearly talented young player is not the same as developing them.

Even when you've got a player with overwhelming talent, like a young Wayne Rooney say, the manager still has a job to do. Big job in that particular case.

Roy was let down by himself and failing to understand what was most important at Liverpool.

what was that then? winning the league? no-one's done that in 2 decades have they? Didn't they understand the liverpool way either?

Winning the league?

*coughs* finishing at least 34 points behind United *coughs*

😆

what was that then? winning the league? no-one's done that in 2 decades have they? Didn't they understand the liverpool way either?

As i said... belief... be it true belief or misguided.... you need to believe you're building the best...

Under Roy, Liverpool played the worst football i've ever seen the team play. IF you can call it 'playing'

Benitez and houllier both understood the Liverpool way, hence why both are worshipped in the city. Benitez more so because of his amazing rapport with the fans and the money, time, dedication he gave to the JFT96.

*coughs* finishing at least 34 points behind United *coughs*

that cough is going to get worse tonight binners 😆 tonight will see the final act in the fall of fergie and the united empire. There'll be a blue moon over manchester tonight! I don't know why I'm digging you, I support Oxford ffs 🙂

so anyway weeksy, so the liverpool way is to believe? I believe that Rowan Williams is free now, worth a punt?

oh and

When you're going to an away game at a league 2 club and in your pre match conference you say "well, it will be a very tough game they have a great squad."... well, you don't deserve to manage Liverpool FC.

so anyway weeksy, so the liverpool way is to believe?

Of course it is... self belief can work wonders.

actually demonstrates arrogance, not belief. Shankly and Paisley never underestimated lower league opposition did they?

Underestimating them and standing there TELLING people are two different things.

I'll shoot over to another forum and get you some quotes from Roy... give me 5.

Of course it is... self belief can work wonders.

It can get you as high as ninth!!! 😆

“He (Meireles) had two training sessions and played on Thursday night and he played again on Sunday so it is very early for me to make strong judgements about where his best position is. The work we do on the training field will show me how best to use him.”

The aforementioned quote is so funny it could have come straight from the Frankie Boyle annals. So Roy sanctions a £10.5 million deal with no idea where he intends to play the arrival? Unbelievable. The initial uncertainty has been evidenced ever since, with Meireles appearing behind a lone striker, in a defensive midfield role, on the right, the left

see now I'm not sure I understand the issue there. He's bought a player he considers to be decent, who may have been playing in a variety of roles at his previous club and the manager wants to take a look at him with his new team before deciding where he fits in best.

maybe he was bought to replace gerrard who then wasn't sold? 😉

Hmmmmmmmmmm. He's made some bad buys?......

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How can a boot boy be a bad buy? Not a difficult job, is it?

HOw old were Konchesky and Polusen ?

At least Carroll has youth and potential. He was also scoring for fun.

Note : Not that i think we should have bought him, IMO he doesn't fit in with the style of play suited to our team, but that's another debate. However Carroll is very young (people forget this) and has all the attributes to be a very good premier league striker.

lol, i forgot about Carroll

thiry five MILLION pounds

no wonder you need to believe 😉

lol, i forgot about Carroll

thiry five MILLION pounds

Assuming we 'had' to buy someone with 24 hours left in the transfer window... our options were distinctly limited.

However Carroll is very young (people forget this) and has all the attributes to be a very good [s]premier league striker[/s] cart horse.

Fixed! 😆

i reckon they should enter him in the national next year

Benitez and houllier both understood the Liverpool way, hence why both are worshipped in the city.

Is this Liverpool or Manchester they are worshiped? 😆

You cant judge him on Liverpool IMHO as if the current manager was anyone other than Kenny they would be out as well by now

Something is seriously wrong in the garden of eden

Cup final goal 3 weeks ago help me ?

Any manager that would buy Poulsen and Konchesky shouldn't be given the keys to the training ground, let alone anywhere near a national side.

Alan Pardew signed Paul Konchesky. He's doing a terrible job managing Newcastle...

Claudio Ranieri signed Poulsen in 2008. He's such a terrible manager that he took Juventus to second place in 08/09.

There's a press conf on now confirming the appointment if anyone is interested:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/17904698

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Roy #Hodgson "very proud" to be named #England manager: [b]"I hope everybody in the country will get behind the team"[/b] LIVE http://bbc.in/IOYQg5

There's a press conf on now

Kenny Bought Andy Carroll after being made caretaker on the 8th Jan 2011.

I thought Roy looked pretty chilled tbh - he speaks like Barack Obama relative to most football managers, though, so normally comes across well.

Did anyone hear that question someone asked about Roy playing in S Africa? Not wasting any time there, sun journalists are probably going through his bins as we speak.

apparently [ a mate knows one of the high profile Sky commentators] and Harry was forst choice however the package demanded was too expensive

£15 million buy out
£4 million per annum

he was first choice but do you want harry for circa £31 million over 4 years ...seriously do you think he is that good?