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He's a freelance software developer with a sideline in being a **** on social media. He's being errm, 'defiant' on twitter today so clearly stands by his comments.
Do you check potential employees/contractor social media and would someone posting this sort of stuff stop you engaging them?
For me I don't think I'd want to have my company associated with him but if he's not breaking the law is that a fair judgement to make?
[i]In recent days he has dubbed progressives as “two-faced lying scum”, called Islam the “religion of hate” and wrote “the state have failed, so a member of the public launches the #CounterJihad” in response to the terror attack on Finsbury Park Mosque attack.
He also suggested that news of the mosque attack should be spread to Calais to deter other refugees coming into the country.
Other comments are simply too offensive for The Argus to print.[/i]
[url= http://www.theargus.co.uk/news/15360487.Fury_over_ex_Ukip_man___s_Ramadan_tweets_investigated_by_police_as_a_hate_crime ]www.theargus.co.uk/news/15360487.Fury_over_ex_Ukip_man___s_Ramadan_tweets_investigated_by_police_as_a_hate_crime[/url]
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it's a no from me
Doesn't seem like he's the right fit for my team
Hell no
Who is he on stw? The link is borked
I guess the question is how good is he & how badly do you need him?
If the answer is not he's brilliant & he's the only one who can do it....I'd find someone else & let someone else employ the Stormfront ****t.
Pretty common now to check social media posts for a potential employee. Can be quite amusing, especially in interviews.
No from me, his social media profile tells me he could be speaking to somebody in authority soon enough
I wouldn't do a huge social media search on potential employees, but if I'd found that, I wouldn't employ the guy. It doesn't even come down to reputation of the business - he's a hard-of-thinking nutter.
Edit to clarify, even if he was very good technically, I still wouldn't want to employ someone as idiotic and disruptive as that.
I've redone the link - it's stw that's broken, not the link 😉
I'm not looking to employ him, btw, but he has a skillset that we might consider.
mrs rocket recruits for a big multinational if there's any questionable social media it's goodbye
Apart from anything else, he's a Freelance Software Developer who doesn't have the common sense or knowledge to lock down his privacy settings on Facebook.
That would be alarm bells before I even got to the content of his posts!
If I needed the skills he had than yes and try to change his views by pointing out maybe some of his work colleagues who he may come to like have opposing views for instance. It is wrong to walk away from views you disagree with, better to engage and debate, wars get started like that.
Nope, I always do a social media trawl when hiring, if they post nasty/dodgy stuff then they will get a rejection.
It is wrong to walk away from views you disagree with, better to engage and debate, wars get started like that.
In life, I agree. I'd go to the pub with him. But I wouldn't employ him, as there's work to be done, and the less challenging of a socially inept idiot's world views that has to be done in order to complete that work, the better.
GrahamS - Member
Apart from anything else, he's a Freelance Software Developer who doesn't have the common sense or knowledge to lock down his privacy settings on Facebook.
THIS !
his bigotry would be enough to make him very hard to work with, even if you dont have any muslims in your team hes offensive enough that theres gonna be problems
that hes stupid enough to shout about it on social media just illustrates that hes best avoided
No, he won't fit with the rest of the people you have and will probably just be a pain to deal with in the future.
No. Had I considered him for a role and then discovered his extremist attitudes I'd probably also make a point of saying the reason he hasn't got the job was that the company would not want to be associated with that extremist point of view.
Do you check potential employees/contractor social media and would someone posting this sort of stuff stop you engaging them?
Yes and yes.
Will confess to not hiring people based on Social Media "evidence".
What do you mean by 'employ' if you're describing him as 'freelance'? Has he applied for.job with you? Or are you just considering whether to buy his services?
A no from me also.
Can't see CV but unless he can save your life as a company, you need him for a very short time period and can get him to work remotely under NDA, be very careful. I've found when running companies - even just one tiny fleck of poo in your tasty bowl of ice cream will put everyone off - both inside and out. Full background / culture (Are they a good fit for your company values / ethics / team) social media and GIT checks are a must.
[i]What do you mean by 'employ' if you're describing him as 'freelance'? Has he applied for.job with you? Or are you just considering whether to buy his services? [/i]
To reiterate he's not someone I'm considering employing.
I tend to take the view that we employ the skills of freelances for the duration of their contracts so whilst they're not 'employees' they're still employed, if you see what I mean.
I take similar care with freelance staff as I do permanent ones when it comes to deciding whether to take them on, perhaps more given the extra cost.
GIT checks are a must
Well he's clearly a git so that's a fail right there.
Nope.
Nope, he wouldn't get a look in here. Quite rightly too.
Apart from anything else, he's a Freelance Software Developer who doesn't have the common sense or knowledge to lock down his privacy settings on Facebook.
^This, mainly.
Freedom of speech doesn't mean that you've infinite leeway to be a knobber.
graemecsl - Member
If I needed the skills he had than yes and try to change his views by pointing out maybe some of his work colleagues who he may come to like have opposing views for instance. It is wrong to walk away from views you disagree with, better to engage and debate, wars get started like that.
About the only comment so far I agree with.
Whilst I agree the person is probably naive/ignorant .. or just plain stupid to still be posting his honestly held opinions/values on social media.
I think the better option is to engage and explain the possible repercussions of his actions; if he then changes his opinion - a big win ... if he stops writing/airing his views/opinions on social media, then that too is a kinda win (unless he just does what probably the majority of people on social media now do, and does not make their true views/opinions public; thus allowing their distorted opinions/views to fester unchallenged).
[i]if he then changes his opinion - a big win ... if he stops writing/airing his views/opinions on social media, then that too is a kinda win (unless he just does what probably the majority of people on social media now do, and does not make their true views/opinions public; thus allowing their distorted opinions/views to fester unchallenged). [/i]
Looking at his Twitter this morning post his Police interview I don;t think he's going to a) change his views or b) stop posting them on social media.
He was a UKIP candidate 7 years ago - he's been a swivel eyed loon for some time.
Nope - I wouldn't employ him and indeed in my world ( healthcare) he would not be employable anyway being in clear breach of the standards expected of healthcare workers
Calling anyone "scum" kinda makes you a bit unemployable really, doesn't it?
Nope. He might be good at his job but he sounds like too much of a dick, and a potential liability.
Calling anyone "scum" kinda makes you a bit unemployable really, doesn't it?
We would never do that sort of thing on here.
Unless we were talking about gypsies, politicians, tabloid journalists, car dealers..................
http://singletrackworld.com/forum/search.php?q=scum
About the only comment so far I agree with.Whilst I agree the person is probably naive/ignorant .. or just plain stupid to still be posting his honestly held opinions/values on social media.
I think the better option is to engage and explain the possible repercussions of his actions; if he then changes his opinion - a big win ... if he stops writing/airing his views/opinions on social media, then that too is a kinda win (unless he just does what probably the majority of people on social media now do, and does not make their true views/opinions public; thus allowing their distorted opinions/views to fester unchallenged).
really?
he sounds like an HR departments nightmare, why would you want to employ a wrong'un just top set him on the straight and narrow, thats not your responsibility
more to the point his views are so abhorrent to most that his inability to keep them to himself is likely to disrupt your company!
Depends if he's good at is job, or cheap.. preferably both. I know plenty of people who have a job simply because they are of the same political persuasion as their employer and woefully bad at it.
A consultant airing whatever opinions they have is entirely their own lookout, whereas anyone in publicly funded positions should be strictly banned from airing personal opinions under the guise of the positions they occupy. That said, academia is rife with leftwing politics on social media. The difference is their views are also shared by their jerk circles and they don't risk their jobs doing so, it actually has the opposite effect.
A consultant airing whatever opinions they have is entirely their own lookout, whereas anyone in publicly funded positions should be strictly banned from airing personal opinions under the guise of the positions they occupy. That said, academia is rife with leftwing politics on social media. The difference is their views are also shared by their jerk circles and they don't risk their jobs doing so, it actually has the opposite effect.
I think the heat is getting to people at the moment?
theres some right bonkers stuff coming from the righties today!
I had somebody make a racist comment in a job interview a while back. They were the kind of person who is stupid enough to make a racist comment in an interview, so failed all the tests in any case.
The dude even asked for feedback, he was that lacking in self-awareness. Claimed he hadn't said what he said, luckily there were two interviewers, we both heard it.
enfht
Political views are fine - left or right wing. When it strays into racism tho then its not acceptable
Why would anyone spend time trying change the life / opinions / political views of a potential candidate for the tiny chance they may change, rather than simply hiring the right person for their company in the first place?
Sounds like Risk / Reward is not in your favour - could this be lose / lose and a massive disruption for all involved, inc the potential hire and your current team?
We won't employ anyone like that, so no from me......
However, if your job involves putting your employees through high levels of stress, pain, high levels of both short term and long term negative heath issues, danger of death (instant or slow and painful), being sprayed with excrement, he sounds perfect.
milleboy - sounds like my job apart from the danger of death 😉
Bizzare, i met him a couple of times back in the day.
(in a Brighton software developers networking capacity i hasten to add )
Didn't have him down as a hater or a kipper for that matter.
Seemed like a decent bloke
Nope I get enough of those sort of views at family gatherings I wouldn't want to deal with it at work as well.
At the top of his profile it wlll say...
"Working at / Was working at...[your company name]".
Just above his latest outburst.
If your lucky he might even have a St George's flag & a bulldog as his profile pic.
I do a quick check on potential recruits. Once had one candidate who plastered all over Facebook about what a great hacker he was. He didn't get an interview, not because he was a hacker but because he was stupid enough to advertise that in public.
He's just an idiot. The sort of things he posts on Facebook are directly resulting in losing job offers. Either he doesn't know this (complete lack of self awareness is worrying) or he does (in which case he's turning down thousands of pounds of business which is stupid). Ergo, he's a moron.
Add the Facebook privacy settings issue, and the company values thing, and I can't see why anyone would want to employ him.
What happens if the applicant doesn't have any social media accounts but someone (in the same line of work) with the same name and close enough profile does? The two could have completely different attitudes.
I've a relatively rare surname (plus the spelling isn't what you'd expect) - a few years ago I was helping out with a Ramsay Round and got to a support point where the bloke (who I'd worked with when living in the Lakes about ten years earlier) looked at me and proclaimed: "We thought you were dead!". It turned out that someone else in the Lakes with the same forename and surname as me had been killed by a falling rock at a crag.
As to the OP's question: no, I'd consider that he'd be too disruptive in the workplace.
So if I went to an interview and had no Twitter or faceache accounts would I be unemployable if you found no evidence of me online?
Genuinely interested as I don't have any of those accounts and only post on message boards under a random 3/4 letter tag..
[i]So if I went to an interview and had no Twitter or faceache accounts would I be unemployable if you found no evidence of me online?[/i]
Most people with any sense who are posting the sort fo stuff the bloke in the OP does have the sense not to use their own name so no one *expects* to find evidence or even presence of someone on social media.
Absence doesn't imply guilt.
I know our IT dept won't employ anyone who doesn't have a completely locked-down social media presence. They don't even look at the opinions posted.
No, he'd not even get an interview here.
Twitter like that would see a huge red flag and his CV going in the bin.
I tend to take the view that we employ the skills of freelances for the duration of their contracts so whilst they're not 'employees' they're still employed, if you see what I mean
Reason for the question is - if you were 'employing' in the sense of advertising a vacancy and offering secure employment with all the responsibilities that brings then you have to (at least pretend) to recruit and select using fair and open processes. You don't need to be so fastidious if you're simply buying a service from someone. You can just ignore them because you don't like them.
Most people with any sense who are posting the sort fo stuff the bloke in the OP does have the sense not to use their own name so no one *expects* to find evidence or even presence of someone on social media.
Perhaps its a really good marketing technique - if you shared his odious views the job would be a shoe-in.