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my main concern would be the fact she's a pro and I couldn't wrap my head around it.
For me the same as with a polyamorous woman...
A woman [i]who has chosen to[/i] earn big money pandering to wealthy men is exactly the same as an underage girl who is illegally imported into the country and then forced to work as a prostitute?
I think the important point here is choice. Which to my mind makes the 2 different.
Anyway
OP, no.
TS m2f
Trans sexual male to female at a guess.
A woman selling a desirable commodity and earning big money pandering to wealthy men is exactly the same as an underage girl, illegally imported into the country and then forced to work as a prostitute?
No, that wasn't even remotely what was said. As mentioned, choice is the differentiator.
@PJazz etc..
Beep calling that one as Reductio ad absurdum
"forced to work as a prostitute" makes them a victim which "trumps" any other words you may want to use
read Sibel Hodge's Trafficked if you ever need a bit of wake on that stuff
Hang on. Let me just put my Yorkshire head on here- If I date a call girl does that mean I get a discount/her on the cheap'? 
In additional - blokes, would you date a male gigolo? A sort of manwhore or 'he whore'? Who does manwhoring?
TS m2f
I think, happy to be corrected here, that it means the individual is a trans-sexual, previously they were male, now female.
I think, happy to be corrected here, that it means the individual is a trans-sexual, previously they were male, now female.
Yes its a bit like being a special collectors edition.
Nope, I couldn't. I would just spend my entire time wondering what sweaty beast had been pawing at my girlfriend recently.
Strange attitudes people have. I'm wondering where they come from? If it didn't matter to her, why would it matter to you?
Why has it made you feel ill? You have quite clearly expressed how you see sex/sexual partners and how you feel it isn't an issue. I have stated that in my eyes a lady who has let another bloke put his dick in her for money is, in some way 'damaged' either physically or mentally.
Now I don't expect you to agree with me as we are all allowed opinions, but I 100% think that if I went home to my wife and said I had paid a girl for sex she would then see me as 'damaged' in some way (As I would her).
Truth hurts and just because you have chosen to live like this doesn't mean I have to change my values.
BTW I was my wifes first as she was mine. Met at 15, boyfriend and girlfriend at 16. Waited ages (Seemed like an eternity)and have been together for 24yrs. Basically grew into adults together. I guarantee something would be damaged if one of us sold our bodies for sex (I wouldn't get much)
Strange attitudes people have. I'm wondering where they come from? If it didn't matter to her, why would it matter to you?
it comes from the fact that some men view their women as well their property.
Why has it made you feel ill? You have quite clearly expressed how you see sex/sexual partners and how you feel it isn't an issue. I have stated that in my eyes a lady who has let another bloke put his dick in her is, in some way 'damaged' either physically or mentally.Now I don't expect you to agree with me as we are all allowed opinions, but I 100% think that if I went home to my wife and said I had paid a girl for sex she would then see me as 'damaged' in some way (As I would her).
Truth hurts and just because you have chosen to live like this doesn't mean I have to change my values.
BTW I was my wifes first as she was mine. Met at 15, boyfriend and girlfriend at 16. Waited ages (Seemed like an eternity)and have been together for 24yrs. Basically grew into adults together. I guarantee something would be damaged if one of us sold our bodies for sex (I wouldn't get much)
ok im what way im a damaged goods??
it comes from the fact that some men view their women as well their property.
You belong to each other. It's like a mutual ownership except the men do whatever they're told to.
you missed the huge pink elephant in the room
I doubt it and I doubt if Wrecker said many women are bad so he only sleeps with them for money you would let it go. You would be calling him names but hey when you say it is all fine.
That is what you said about men.
Its bad to think less of a woman or speak of her in a derogatory way if she sells sex
Is it bad to think less of a man who pays for sex?
I accept that I may have misunderstood junkyard,
Easily done given the thread and the views being expressed.
No, that wasn't even remotely what was said.
Enlighten me then. It certainly sounded like it.
"forced to work as a prostitute" makes them a victim which "trumps" any other words you may want to use
Someone in that situation is undoubtedly a victim. They're also technically a sex worker too. But either way, comparing someone in that incredibly vunerable position is a far cry from a woman being paid thousands of pounds to spank an MP while his/her partner is on their yacht in the Med.
it comes from the fact that some men view their women as well their property.
Monogamy is far more deep rooted in human behaviour than a desire to "own" someone as if they are property.
Can't say I've looked into the development of the behaviour. But it will go beyond any recorded history by a vast stretch of time.
being paid thousands of pounds to spank an MP while his/her partner is on their yacht in the Med.
you dont know of any Mp's requiring that service do you?
Enlighten me then. It certainly sounded like it.
Let get this straight; You honestly and truthfully, even if you think about it for a looong time, cannot see the difference between these two quotes?
street walking
an underage girl, illegally imported into the country and then forced to work as a prostitute?
I am not going to pull you apart as I don't know you.
you dont know of any Mp's requiring that service do you?
Out local Tory is having a bit of a rough time. I can put in a good word if you want? 😉
Out local Tory is having a bit of a rough time. I can put in a good word if you want?
im happy to work for a new Di2 xtr groupset...
Crikey I'm glad I had a meeting now.
Can I just give a small round of applause to the most intelligent post on this thread on page one by Teasel, even if it contributed nothing to the argument whatsoever.
Let get this straight; You honestly and truthfully, even if you think about it for a looong time, cannot see the difference between these two quotes?
I can and I know what you mean.
My point is that there's a huge grey gulf in the middle where the two meet, and your blanket-labelling of any woman selling sex as a commodity (or "whores", to quote you directly) is in no way a fair representation of anyone in the sex industry.
Going back to the original question.
I don't think I'd have a problem with dating a sex worker, hypothetically i have no real issue with what someone does with their body or how they make a living. I tend to value trust and honesty more highly than fidelity or monogamy. Faced with the reality I'm not honestly sure whether I would be able to live up to those ideals but I hope that I would.
I would find it really difficult to continue in a relationship with a partner than had an affair though. The deceit would probably mean the end of the relationship.
[edit] I'm not sure fidelity and monogamy are really the right words. What I was thinking when i wrote that was that in my mind someone selling a sexual service isn't really committing an infidelity as there is no emotional attachment and it's the emotional response that is important in a relationship. Getting sweaty with each other is fun but without the emotional love it's just a bit of exercise and a release.
Wrecker,
What's yout opinion on ladies who deal in sexual services that live and work in countries where it's not illegal? Maybe in a pleasure house.
Ladies who pay taxes, health insurance, who've decided to make their cash using their bodies to pleasure others.
Morally, are they doing something wrong?
??Mods?? if i put a link to my work page on here will i get in trouble..??
it comes from the fact that some men view their women as well their property.
I do feel the need to possess my partner. That's kind of why we got married and I am sure that she feels the same. She's mine, and I am hers and we are a unit and I like it. I'd be mortified if she ran away with some other bloke. Or a woman. or a TS m2F.
The only reasons I can think anyone would become a prostitute are because:
1) They couldn't do anything else
2) They were forced to do it
3) They want to do it
Being unable to extend your career beyond the basest of humans urges isn't particularly impressive and victim-hood requires help somewhat beyond dating. If they are doing it purely because they enjoy it, I think it would be pretty hard to get ones head around.
So no.
Has anyone asked Mumsnet what they think?
Or is this a Mumsnet troll?
Not expressing an opinion, just asking. 🙄
@muppetWrangler, interesting distinction...certainly more interesting that some of the gratuitous name calling.
??Mods?? if i put a link to my work page on here will i get in trouble..??
No idea, but I do know it will present a wonderful dilema on whether to click on it for the office workers on the forum! 😈
Hang on, I haven't labelled anyone as a commodity. I identified a few slang words for a prostitute and stated that I find the profession sleazy and morally repulsive (not just the sellers but the buyers too). It's nothing to do with sexism at all. I have also taken issue with the comparison of prostitutes with black and gay people, (and I do have a BIG issue with this).
My issue has been that it's somehow becoming viewed as OK to be a prostitute and I don't believe it is OK. Would you use (and that word is in context, not because I think they are [i]things[/i]) a prostitute? Plenty here think there's no shame in it.
Morally, are they doing something wrong?
In my opinion, yes it's wrong. I just couldn't respect anyone who (without being forced) sells the goods.
If there's a prize for "Least edifying thread of the week" then this is probably going to win it.
The only reasons I can think anyone would become a prostitute are because:1) They couldn't do anything else
2) They were forced to do it
3) They want to do it
Isn't that the same for any profession?
As for the idea of owning someone and being owned, as some have described their relationships, I personally find that repugnant.
Slightly OT, but my recent three year affair with an ex-lapdancer has sadly just come to an end. I miss her and her earlier life was of no consequence in our relationship.
I have always never had much trouble in finding a partner. I've been in stable relationships for over 20 years and had lots of fun before settling down sewing "wild oats"
Others I know struggle and maybe are not a successful with the laydeez. If it means they go to a working girl for a bit of fun where's the harm in that? They're not hurting anyone.
sten1 - MemberYou missed the point didnt you, i was saying it much safer and nicer from the girls point of view, its a different world, the girls on the streets do it for drugs while a girl with her own flat could be doing it for drugs, but then again they might want a new sofa and TV.
And the difference is what? Both are selling sex. If either is being forced by some else then they are as much a victim as their customers. If anyone, male or female "chooses" to be a sex worker then that is their business, but let's not pretend that society as a whole will be over the moon at their choice of career. Other peoples opinions will differ from yours.
Has anyone asked Mumsnet what they think?
😆
Slightly OT, but my recent three year affair with an ex-lapdancer has sadly just come to an end. I miss her and her earlier life was of no consequence in our relationship.
I miss you too oldboy, but I always told you that when Vegas called, I'd answer.
Toodooloo, my sweet potato! It was a lot of fun.
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There may be higher class prostitutes but they all let some stranger put his dick in them for money and I couldn't live with it.
Hang on a minute. If we cross out the "for money" bit, then that describes every normal woman who's ever been sexually active. Unless you go "urgh" at anyone who isn't a virgin, why's it make a difference whether she's done it for fun, desire, money, being bought dinner and a load of drinks, or a combination of those things?
??Mods?? if i put a link to my work page on here will i get in trouble..??
I'm not sure. Check via email maybe?
In my opinion, yes it's wrong. I just couldn't respect anyone who (without being forced) sells the goods.
Just as well they've never asked for your respect then, hey.
If i put a link to my work page on here will i get in trouble?
I think you have to pay to advertise on STW 😉
Others I know struggle and maybe are not a successful with the laydeez. If it means they go to a working girl for a bit of fun where's the harm in that? They're not hurting anyone.
Good point. What if these [i]others[/i] are in their 50s or 60s? What if they aren't flush so go a bit low rent and recruit from their car on the street? Still OK? It really isn't any different (if we assume that nobody is being forced).
Just as well they've never asked for your respect then, hey.
Quite right.
As for the idea of owning someone and being owned, as some have described their relationships, I personally find that repugnant.
Thing is, ownership of a person is not possible unless you are talking slavery, which we're not. We are talking about a deep rooted human desire to pair up. If someone with a more radical viewpoint claims that marriage is ownership then that's okay but they are wrong.
If they decide to wear matching cardigans and claim they own each other it is icky and factually wrong but repugnant?
Are you poly amorous?
Why would we cross out the 'for money bit' cougar? Surely that is the essence of prostitution.
Is it bad to think less of a man who pays for sex?
You pay fot sex as well, you just havn't figured it out yet.
What if these others are in their 50s or 60s? What if they aren't flush so go a bit low rent and recruit from their car on the street? Still OK?
Because as everyone knows, people never have sex after the age of 50. It aught to be illegal.
Hang on a minute. If we cross out the "for money" bit, then that describes every normal woman who's ever been sexually active.
Not every woman that has ever been sexually active has had sex with a stranger.