Peugeot 5008 (2010 model). like the Quashquai in the OP, it sits slightly above a quite a bit behind the DRLs, which makes it as good as invisible.
We own one and live near a newish roundabout which we have to turn right (3rd exit) on. The number of people coming the other way who slam on the brakes and give us a dirty look as though we weren't indicating is embarassing! I'm not very cautious coming around it and expect to have to emergency stop for oncoming traffic.
Indicators built into the front light cluster and inboard of the headlight is very poor design IMO & IME, makes the indicator very difficult to see, especially when the headlight is on.
This design feature was one of the reasons for rejecting a couple of VAG vehicles when I chose my current car.
Headlight cluster with built in LED DRLs plus a completely separate front indicator (and a mirror repeater) FTW.
So long as things that should be considered statutory safety features are designed from a fashion rather than function standpoint we will continue to see "crap" design. When indicator windows were all amber and on the body corner you never had this issue but as soon as people started "chroming" them thats where the trouble began.
I'm not even going to get into the twunts that "smoke" their light clusters.
Blimey, not sure he would be giving great advice to a suicidal patient standing on the edge of a bridge…..
Bravo, Sir, bravo.
There's a few but as is usually the case I can't remember them - I'll see them on the way home though!!
Biggest problem with all these things is the fleshy bit behind the wheel, they have a tendency to be a bit lazy all wrapped up in their metal box and then a bit ignorant of other road users.
The other problem are these auto lights (I have them and they're great), that problem being that people just assume they work all the time. They don't. I always override them but the amount of people dangerously driving about in poor weather who are oblivious of the fact they're nigh-on invisible to other road users is definitely on the rise.
Don't get me started on people driving around with their fog lights on thinking they look cool as opposed to the total bellend that everyone actually thinks they are. They're fog lights, turn 'em off!!!!
I'd put any sort of wing-mirror mounted indicator into the mix.
When on a bike, and you are overtaken, and the car sticks it's left indicator on just as you are in it's blind spot (next to it's rear passenger door) the angles mean that you cannot see the front, rear or side (wing mirror) indicators. It's horrendous and the driver has no idea that you cannot see their "clear signal".
I've nearly been left hooked numerous times in this situation. I'd have taken avoiding action if I could've seen their indicators. I now assume I'm going to be left hooked pretty much regardless.
Also, DRL's as they cause drivers to "look for lights" not vehicles/people. I now use a flashing LED on the front at all times on my road bike as it clearly distinguishes me as "bike" rather than "insignificant as not a car".
Those sequential indicators are nothing new, we had them on a 1965 Ford Thunderbird.
They should be in a standard position for the vehicle type. It’s a bit mental with all the variations. It’s like me adopting different hand signals on the push bike just to try and look stylish. The ones with indicators in the middle of a round cluster are the worst though.
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Dave Ree Loth?
Designers also need to specify an 'auto-on' for lights when in fog/poor visibility.
Terrible weather in this neck of the woods yesterday, no lights, sidelights, 40 t truck with sidelights so, so small. hardly visible.
grrr.
1965 Ford Thunderbird
One reason I like my E-class is excellent lights. the front indicators are so big and bright I can see them reflecting in the back of cars and lighting up any reflective road signs, even in daylight.
Rear high level brake light is the full width of the estate lid window and the normal rear brake lights are huge and very separate from the huge rear indicators.
No one can claim they didnt see your lights.
No front fogs, the car adjusts the adaptive lights when you turn on the rear fog and the adaptive front lights react very well. Only time I have to intervene is for pedestrians who don't trigger the camera.
Is this why I see loads of idiots driving around with their fogs on these days. Are they trying to pretend they have a newer car with DLRs
I know what you're saying, but I think they are doing it to be seen, if everyone else has lights on their car and you don't' you are setting yourself up for an accident.
Is this why I see loads of idiots driving around with their fogs on these days. Are they trying to pretend they have a newer car with DLRs
I used to see people with sidelights and front fogs on regularly, but not so much these days. Doesn’t mean they don’t, but I don’t see it quite as much, maybe because DRL’s are on most recent cars. I’ve replaced the incandescent sidelight bulbs on my Octavia with some LED emitters, and they’re insanely bright, but I don’t turn them on unless the weather turns murky, I don’t have the means to select front only to use them as DRL’s. I have to say, I haven’t noticed any real issues seeing front indicators operating, except when the clot behind the wheel can’t be arsed to actually use them, the absence of a matching light on the door mirror shows they’ve not been used in the majority of occasions. The lack of an orange flashing light when pulling out on motorways, dual-carriageways, in fact most roads shows that many drivers consider the indicator to be an optional extra when buying a car. 🤨