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Now who. Was. The balding politico who hired people (?men?) to poo on top of a glass coffee table while he watched from underneath, **and blamed it on the turmoil of his hair loss**?
I think that was Mark Oaten who was in the running for the LibDem leadership.
The first scene of Peter Barnes's very fine play, the Ruling Class, features the 13th Earl of Gurney dying as a result of a erotic asphyxiation mishap.
An assumption that it’s always the Tories probs speaks more about the OP tbh.
All parties have the same sorry history when it comes to illegality/sex scandals/money etc
It may be because the people who abuse (sexually, monetary, other stuff) are the type of people who are drawn to become an MP for the sense of power it gives them.
I would say traditionally the people that would become a Tory MP are more in that camp but these days not so sure.
The Green party are the only party where I look at them (yes I know, don't judge by looks) and think they are actually in it for the right reasons.
I think the use of the words "deviant" is unwise. It has come to mean the same thing as "perverse" in some people's minds.
If consenting adults choose to do it surely it's just "different"? As opposed to the offences that the OP is referring to are simply illegal, though in the interests of fairness, he is innocent until proven guilty.
It's a shame it's become seen as a public school Tory thing. "It's just the way they are, nudge nudge, wink wink" is a slippery slope to start excusing their more damaging and corrupt habits. Making it a class or Tory thing reveals people's own perceptions and prejudices far more.
I have several privately educated friends, and know a few current private educated kids through my own kids and their youth groups.
While they may be a out of touch with some aspects of "normal" lives when they are young, and have sometimes undeserved levels of self-confidence, exposure to the real world soon knocks it out of them. The problem is when their life and career paths don't give them that exposure.
Sad to see this amusing thread has become bogged down in accusations of social justice language violations overnight.
Now who. Was. The balding politico who hired people (?men?) to poo on top of a glass coffee table while he watched from underneath, **and blamed it on the turmoil of his hair loss**?
Ah brilliant, back on track!
Now who. Was. The balding politico who hired people (?men?) to poo on top of a glass coffee table while he watched from underneath
No idea but I'm sure I remember Noddy Holder saying he'd been paid to do that before famous...Bostin our kid
Ridiculous as the terminology might sound I think there is probably a huge difference between someone who has merely been privately educated and someone who went to a public school.
I suspect that somewhere like Eton deeply effects an individual's personality. Which isn't necessarily a critism btw but an observation, I'm sure the quality of education is excellent and much of what they take away from Eton equips them for life.
Of course I went to an inner city state comprehensive so my remarks are based on perceptions rather than experience.
It’s clearly a deviation from the more common ways of sexual arousal. It’s for you to decide whether it “stigmatises” people as you put it
Not really. The noun ‘deviant’ is most often defined differently than the adjective. To label someone a ‘deviant’ is more loaded than saying ‘your behaviour is a deviation from the common…’
Collins English:
Deviant
2. COUNTABLE NOUN
A deviant is someone whose behaviour or beliefs are different from what people normally consider to be acceptable.
Synonyms: misfit, odd type, pervert, freak
Oxford Language:
noun
noun: deviant; plural noun: deviants
a deviant person or thing.
"killers, deviants, and those whose actions are beyond most human comprehension"
Merriam Webster:
Definition of deviant (Entry 2 of 2)
: someone or something that deviates from a norm
especially : a person who differs markedly (as in social adjustment or behavior) from what is considered normal or acceptable
social/moral/sexual deviants
Those who commit crimes also watch TV, go to the grocery store, and have their hair cut. Thus, while our stereotypes may suggest that there is a wide gulf between deviants and conventional people …, the behavior of deviants is often very conventional.
— Paul C. Higgins and Richard R. Butler
The theory thus centers on the question: What are the processes through which people are assigned a social identity as deviants by others and enter upon ongoing careers as deviants?
— Mary Beth Norton et al.
Acts of punishment thus designate who is in our community by clearly defining who is not in our community. Social solidarity is purchased through the punishment of deviants.
— Mark Colvin
Vocabulary.com:
noun a person whose behavior deviates from what is acceptable especially in sexual behavior
thesaurus.net gives the following synonyms for the noun ‘deviant’:
n.
• wicked, evil, wrong, gross.
lexico.com (powered by Oxford English) exemplarise both the adjective and noun as offensive terms:
Deviant
ADJECTIVE
1 Departing from usual or accepted standards, especially in social or sexual behaviour.
‘deviant behaviour’
More example sentencesSynonyms
1.1offensive Homosexual (typically used of a man).
NOUN
A deviant person or thing.
‘killers, deviants, and those whose actions are beyond most human comprehension’
So just a heads up if branding someone a ‘deviant’
Ernie - I am sure I have read research on the emotional damage schools like Eton do to the pupils
Mate of mine went on a stag weekend in Amsterdam years ago.
The groom and best man get chatting to two local girls and end up leaving early to go back to the hotel with them.
The next morning at breakfast the groom and best man don't show up despite knocking on the door. Lads were thinking it must've been a big night and they need to sleep it off.
At lunchtime there is still no sign nor sound of them. Worried the lads ask reception if they can open the door.
The staff obliged, opened the door and the lads find the groom and best man each tied naked to a bed, a gag in each of their mouths and a pile of shit on their chests. Anything of any value was gone including shoes and clothes.
Sad to see this amusing thread
To be fair there is nothing remotely amusing concerning the reason the OP started with thread, he had in mind serious allegations of sexual assault against a child.
The thread however did take a more light-hearted turn when it started discussing bizarre sexual activity.
Ernie – I am sure I have read research on the emotional damage schools like Eton do to the pupils
I am sure that dispatching a young child to a boarding school away their parents, especially if they don't come home for weeks/months, has the potential to do great and lasting harm.
I am sure it makes men out of them though.
The question is what sort of men.
Deviant men?
I went to boarding school for years, I think I'm ok, I'd ask the Mrs but she's a bit tied up at the mo.
Maybe it is the "Lance Armstrong" principle, ie if you are a bullying psychopath then it is more likely that your indiscretions are exposed.
As such, his government doesn't represent "modern Great Britain," as Johnson has claimed, but an archaic system that teaches those who belong to it that they are destined for the kind of greatness that others cannot reach. It is a system that teaches the preservation and exercise of power, but it also one in which the shrewd and cunning, but not necessarily the best, rise to the top. In its eagerness to produce a ruling elite, the system has also done lasting damage to the psyches of many of the children who have passed through it. And many view the boys' school of Eton College as perhaps the most representative example of this system.
Sad to see this amusing thread has become bogged down in accusations of social justice language violations overnight.
Yeah we should just be free to rip the piss out of anyone different to us.
Who was ripping the piss? Just admiring life's wondrous variety. And what do you mean 'us'? We're all different. Tbh, I kind of see the word 'deviant' as a badge of honour. But if saying it is going to cause distress and offence then I won't use it. I'll still think it though. Can't stop that funsponges! Yet.
pictonroad
Full MemberI went to boarding school for years, I think I’m ok, I’d ask the Mrs but she’s a bit tied up at the mo.
Lolz
There is no doubt that the toffs and their boarding school system does a great job of turning out significant numbers of men who are emotional cripples. Johnson is a classic example.
There is no doubt that the toffs and their boarding school system does a great job of turning out significant numbers of men who are emotional cripples.
What does that say about Edinburgh then?
https://www.scotsman.com/education/pupil-numbers-scots-private-schools-hold-steady-1560169
Nearly 1 in 4 privately educated
"privately educated" doesn't mean the same as the "boarding school system" which TJ referred to.
You have to assume that boarders don't necessarily attend schools in localities where their parents live.
I have no idea how many boarding schools are in Edinburgh but presumably when they have finished their schooling the emotional cripples, which TJ referred to, return to live in various parts of the UK
@TJagain - yup, i have a long standing friend who boarded at a school in Berks. His parents were apparently open about why they divided the family (his sister was sent to an all girls school) and, would you believe it, it was to go to sailing as having the kids meant that they couldn't!!!
Now on the face it, you'd think he had it all. Great education, wealthy family, well spoken, knows the intricacies of how the upper class work, plenty of city contacts etc.... the reality is quite different. Still now in his 40's he feels he's never good enough for a relationship because the way his parents behaved, struggles in relationships, suffers from self destructive behaviour because of the inferiority complex he had forced on him, bullying at school (some of it perverted when the dorm lights went out!).... Quite a mixed up fella really, but a really nice guy. I can understand why deviant behaviour seems to come out of those systems more than a 'normal' schooling.
Funnily enough I was on a club gravel ride today and whilst thinking about this thread as I was cycling I asked the ride leader whether he knew anyone who had been to public school, I thought being pretty posh he might do.
To my surprise he responded by telling me that he had. His father was army officer so he was sent to boarding school.
Despite our obvious class and educational differences me and him have always got on exceptionally well, I very much consider him to be a top bloke.
Although his poshness was originally a source suspicion for me we very quickly struck up a strong friendship discussing politics - he was concerned about the effect of brexit on skiing opportunities for Brits, he was interested in my opposition to the EU.
I would describe him as middle-class liberal with a strong dislike for right-wing Tories.
He told me today, after I asked the question, that when he left boarding school and went to university he lacked certain social skills and came across as arrogant. He said he had to learn new social skills including how to strike up friendships with girls.
Edit : Oh he also said that he very much enjoyed his time at boarding school, which I guess helps to explain why in his case he hasn't ended up as an emotional cripple. He did say though that the sense of superiority which was instilled in them did make him at least appear to be arrogant
I'd agree, it appears to be the majority tory who end up in court over sexual impropriety.
Edit : Oh he also said that he very much enjoyed his time at boarding school, which I guess helps to explain why in his case he hasn’t ended up as an emotional cripple. He did say though that the sense of superiority which was instilled in them did make him at least appear to be arrogant
He couldn't possibly have, see all the posts above.
I think it's a bit self selecting, my privately educated/boarding school friends are all pretty normal* or they wouldn't be my friends. Any posh arrogant ****s tend to fail my friendship criteria. As do poor arrogant ****s.
*to be fair, I've never checked if they have weird sexual tendencies
Who was ripping the piss?
You. What else would you call taking amusement from someone else's personal affairs?
OMG he did bondage, what a hoot, lolz!
Grow up. People who do things they enjoy with other consenting adults don't do so for others entertainment. Generally. Sitting here kink shaming folk just makes you look like a dick.
OMG he did bondage
Who did bondage? I missed that one.
Alexi Sayle already had this figured out
I'll remember this thread next time we have an argument over who is the most working class.
It never occurred to me that there was a correlation between working class -> posh and boring -> interesting in bed 🤣 but some of you seem determined that there muat be one.
....next time we have an argument over who is the most working class.
I miss all the best arguments on STW 🙁
Sounds like that must have been an interesting thread
..........well I merely have my labour to sell...............
I miss all the best arguments on STW 🙁
singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/cleaners-2
Included such gems as:
I just don’t think I could get a cleaner….
I’d feel I was abandoning my roots somehow, that working class pride in having worn out, but immaculately shined shoes, the satisfaction in perfectly streak free windows.
says this thread is about stigmatising people because of their sexual preferences just because they deviate from the norm
TBF it seems like this thread is more about stigmatising people because they're Tory MPs.
Entitlement.
singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/cleaners-2
Well that was disappointing, I was hoping to see a fascinating thread with punters trying to outcompete each other over who was the most working class.
It turns out that only Rustyspanner has any pride in his working class roots. Everyone else wanted to talk about the domestic cleaners they have employed past and present.
Except for Bridges who was waffling on about something but I'm not entirely sure what, I think he is was suggesting that being working class is shit. Which to be fair is quite self-evident.
I reckon a better stw thread would be one to see who is the poshest. Obviously I wouldn't be in anywhere near the same league as most on here, and I certainly haven't engaged in any interesting sexual deviations, but I have in my shameful past bought more copies of the Guardian than I care to remember, so I would definitely be the poshest person if I walked into the Rose and Crown in Ramsbottom.
Hanging and flogging is a Tory tradition.
What is wrong with some of you, a world where I can’t point and laugh would be like a broken pencil
Was your tautology intentional there? It's quite impressive if so.
If we're going to use words like deviant, freaky, perverse and such then it's probably helpful to explain which of several meanings we're implying. Otherwise in the words of the sheriff in Cool Hand Luke, "we get what we have here today" which is a totally avoidable STW squabble.
Are we saying that these things / people / acts are bad, or that they are simply a minority? A reader could interpret them to mean either as P7 ably demonstrated on the previous page and they are wildly different meanings. Is "deviant" intended to be pejorative? Are we talking about child molesters or have we not just grown up past laughing at people who are "different" yet? I know people who would refer to themselves using those terms, see also "queer".
Me, I'm just impressed that someone went for a strangle**** and had the forethought to bring a snack.
but I have in my shameful past bought more copies of the Guardian than I care to remember, so I would definitely be the poshest person if I walked into the Rose and Crown in Ramsbottom.
I bought the financial times to get the bus from paisley rd west to mansewood on my way to school ( Hillpark)
Dunno if thats posh or stupid when you are the english boy with a lisp
The controversy comes not so much from the deviant* acts themselves , but that they are carried out by the pillars of society who preach family values & claim moral superiority even vote on laws outlawing them (who remembers the last Tory leadership contest where the candidates all oneupped on their drug taking history)
*I say 'deviant' tongue in cheek- during the naughties I was a regular at some of London's more extreme clubs, In the words of Roy Batty ; I've seen things you people wouldn't believe
TG?
I know people who would refer to themselves using those terms, see also “queer”.
Which is the crux of the issue really. If I was to call someone queer that's going to be taken as a pejorative, similarly if they describe themselves that way that's up to them and has a different meaning anyway.
People using other folks kinks and fetishes for their own entertainment is just something that pisses me off. It's none of your business and you would probably be the first to cry foul if someone was ripping into you. No ****ing wonder people keep this stuff buried so deep.
TG?
We were supposed to go for my wife's birthday one year, ended up losing a lot of money because neither myself or her friends husband were comfortable dressing the part. It was shite because we would still have fitted in but the code was extreme proscriptive. But the strict dress code is there precisely to keep folk out that have no business being there, we saw Club Noir in Glasgow turn into a joke when it got too big and greedy and ended up full of fannies who were only there for a giggle at other folk.