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The Dublin 3 regulation is very much actively used. However, it relies on the migrant having provided their details to immigration in the previous country. It works both ways of course, with many being returned to the UK from the EU, but for obvious reasons this is less common.
Interesting, thank you - I stand corrected. 🙂
The opportunity to work is a big factor. I seem to remember that asylum seekers and many immigrant populations are twice as likely to be economically active in Britain than most of Europe. The particular comparison I remember was with Germany, which would echo what a previous poster said about refugees from the Balkans.
By economically active that's not just being able to get a job (official or black market) but also with regards setting up businesses etc.
So in a sense they could choose a country like Germany where they would be protected by a better welfare and social system but maybe feel more restricted with regards their ability to prosper, or they take a punt on the pound shop American Dream that Britain offers.
I don't think most people who haul themselves halfway around the world to either escape tyranny or pursue a dream want to sponge of the state. They want to make a go of it.
Can you imagine being that brave. Let them in, let them work, let them spend. We need them.
Worth risking because: (referring to non-genuine asylum seekers/immigrants etc)
1. Good exchange rate - worth the gamble especially for those non-genuine asylum seekers/immigrants.
2. False impression - many were sold on the generosity given to immigrants (heard a lot this back home).
3. Easy to find work - large "foreign" communities here so plenty of cash in hand easy work.
4. All other positives that you can think of and sold by the snake heads.
They will keep coming and nothing can deter them especially those who falsely claim to be prosecuted. Not all are prosecuted at home by whatever groups (right wings, terrorists etc) as most are of no value to those that terrorise them.
However, some are terrorised by loan sharks because of gambling debts, of their own doing, just like one of my friend. He finally settled down here with a family and the last time I was told that he wanted to visit home but risk being found out by those people he owed money too. This is already more than 20 years. Imagine the interest accumulated to repay.
As for the migrants if they are lucky within 3 generations they will progress up the society but majority will probably take more than 3 generations. Unless they are already qualified with specialist skills in their home country before coming over. My Syrian friends, husband & wife, are both qualified dentists and now working in a respectable environment.
The way I see it most will probably survive in their home country but obviously life will be hard so why not gamble and take the risk?
The answer to why they're coming here is that although we have a govt determined to wipe out as many of the weak and vulnerable as possible, they're not bombing them in their homes or levelling their cities.
Or perhaps in hope of getting revenge for having the latter done to their homes by our govt...
They and their families not getting shot, bombed, tortured, raped, abused, persecuted, exploited or a combination thereof.
Oh and it's an upgrade from some poorer countries that have shit wages don't have much in the way of a standard of living/treat their populace/certain demographics worse than here.
Countries are supposed to put family connections first when considering someone's status, in line with Article 8 which is the right to a family life (the UK opted out)
Taken from the Commons Library page "... the Dublin III Regulation highlights that family unity is a primary consideration..."
"The European Parliament notes that in practice, however, the most frequently applied criteria is irregular entry."
Most undocumented migrants enter legally and over stay their visa and also include Americans, Australians, Canadians and New Zealanders. I've known one couple who came in on a truck from Nigeria, their journey was horrendous. They fled because the wife had had 3rd degree FGM and was pregnant and feared she'd have a girl, who would be certainly subjected to it despite their protests.
It's a sad situation. The management of such things is very tricky and I don't know the answer.
I suppose not being the cause/accelerate of mass exodus (usually war/by proxy/resource related) would be a start!
So WTF would you try to cross the busiest shipping lanes in the World in a rubber boat to get here?
Imagine you lived in Beirut...
I think you're confusing immigrants with asylum seekers.
I'm surprised a few on here don't try to paddle a wheelie bin over to France and make a bee line for Syria.
I'm sure they think anywhere is better than the UK.
Imagine how shit it must be in your country if coming to live in Blackburn seems worth risking your life for.
WOW Chewkw talk about supposition.
WOW Chewkw talk about supposition.
Honestly, take it from me - don't engage.
What economy wouldn't want people who would trek across the Sahara desert or cross the med and the Manche in a small dinghy to get here? It's like achieving DofE God level, these are some of the most motivated people on the planet.
Just been watching more immigrants crossing the channel during the good weather. What shocked me most was every man had a life jacket. Not one of the women had one.
Imagine how shit it must be in your country if coming to live in Blackburn seems worth risking your life for.
I do wonder why there are so many Scots, Irish and other EU nationals in Blackburn. How shit must it be in their own countries?
I opened the thread to post this kind of thing. Doom mongering seems to be the in thing on here at the moment though. We really are extremely lucky to live in the UK. There are far worse places to live and not that many that are better.
That depends what you mean by "not many that are better".
Not only have the passed through countries that are plus or minus as good or perhaps better but they could have turned right instead of left into many others.
I think the "American Dream" argument presented earlier is a big factor and our hostile environment simply helps the people traffickers sell the UK as the end destination. Why would we be so protective if we were not (from their POV). Why would we be more protective than Germany or Sweden if we weren't trying to protect some big secret dream?
One of my Libyan mates nephews (who I know really well and sponsored) speaks perfect German and English but chose the UK for Uni.(long before the Arab Spring).. despite my warning him it wasn't what he dreamed it was watching satellite TV.
Some of the attitudes expressed in this Guardian article I find appalling (with the exceptions of Jack Straw, the Ministry of Defence and the refugee charity). I hope Macron reads it and briefs Barnier accordingly.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/aug/08/alarm-fingerprinting-custody-channel-migrants-uk
What would macron and barnier do about it though. The tories would just use any criticism as yet another driver for no deal.
Am absolutely not agreeing with what they are saying and I suspect it is the usual bs for headlines, but these idiots will take any excuse to blame others
so if you take germany to greece, the uk takes less than 6% of the total.
Barnier doesn't need to criticise or do anything at all; doing nothing with a polite no puts the UK in the poisition of needing to start negotitiating from nothing in January, and then the EU has all the leverage it needs.
All he has to do is yield nothing now which is what the Tories want for now but will rapidly revise when they find out what nothing means in January.
Everybody used to lose their shit about East Germany not allowing people to leave their country...why on earth would we want to make France into a new East Germany.
Why are the immigrants risking their lives to come here?
To provide a handy headline/diversion/whenever someone something is ‘getting done’ by Bozo and chums.
Imagine how shit it must be in your country if coming to live in
BlackburnBurnley seems worth risking your life for.
FTFY.
Thought you might find this useful.
Informative video here:
Look at where they come from.
Good luck to the unlucky.