....and that something else might be the societal change which is coming rapidly whether you like it or not. Just bought this book to read during the lockdown...Rupert Reads This Civisation is Finished. For those that don't know Rupert Read he is the Green campaigner and XR spokesperson who spoke so clearly about important issues in the pre election debate - what he has to say will absolutely trigger those with their heads stuck firmly in the sand.
https://accidentalgods.life/episode-11/
Because people like them, simple ! I’ll never understand why some people are even bothered as to what other people choose to spend their money on
It's because the choices you make harm everyone else. How can you not get this after all that's been said?
It might be a great way to ferry your kids around, but the particulate concentrations inside the SUV must be off the scale.
Urgh, I'll bite. How the **** did you work that out?
It’s because the choices you make harm everyone else. How can you not get this after all that’s been said?
Which would be fine if you were not driving a hulking great Passat estate. People in smaller and/or more efficient cars could easily level the same at you and they'd have just as much of a point as you do.
….and that something else might be the societal change which is coming rapidly whether you like it or not.
Yep, might well be and I imagine the majority of people will just amble towards whatever happens without really realising things have changed, much like how they now find themselves driving a SUV instead of a hatchback.
Which would be fine if you were not driving a hulking great Passat estate. People in smaller and/or more efficient cars could easily level the same at you and they’d have just as much of a point as you do.
It's still fine EVEN IF I am driving a hulking great Passat (it's a saloon). The point I am making is that it makes no difference if I follow the advice or not - the facts are still the facts. You may not like being told by me, but you cannot evade your responsibilities by pointing out my transgressions. It doesn't work like that, in this case.
Just popped into Lexus to be told they’re stopping selling the CT/ES which are effectively saloon/hatchbacks and concentrating on SUV’s.
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You pays yer €‘s and takes yer choice.
It’s still fine EVEN IF I am driving a hulking great Passat (it’s a saloon). The point I am making is that it makes no difference if I follow the advice or not – the facts are still the facts. You may not like being told by me, but you cannot evade your responsibilities by pointing out my transgressions. It doesn’t work like that, in this case.
No mate but you are telling me while standing on my perch. Saloon is even worse as you don’t have the ‘carrying stuff’ argument. Anything you do in your car could be done in a much smaller and more efficient car, as it could if using the SUV as an example. Getting all uppity while doing the exact same thing makes your argument weak at best.
Anyway, I don’t have an SUV and will soon be driving fully electric so will make sure I start a thread berating large saloon drivers.
Going from an internal combustion to an electric and saying you've solved climate change is like going from smoking 6 packs a day to 3 and saying you've solved lung cancer.
Nobody owned up to buying a new SUV for the 2020 reg then?
I have. Whopping great 7 seat Skoda Kodiaq. It’s fab.
Going from an internal combustion to an electric and saying you’ve solved climate change is like going from smoking 6 packs a day to 3 and saying you’ve solved lung cancer.
I agree. Has anyone said that?
Getting all uppity while doing the exact same thing makes your argument weak at best.
No, it really doesn't.
Emissions are bad. This is an absolute fact, and regardless of how high my own emissions are I cannot be wrong, can I? Me driving a big (ish) car does not make me wrong.
I agree. Has anyone said that?
Probably not in those words but there are a few 5 packs a day people getting very sanctimonious at the 6 packs a day people.
When people who go on about this sort of thing stop harming the environment in other ways I might be interested.. Stop driving to your cycling,buying over complex limited life bikes and clothes, never fly, buy anything imported, or run a mobile phone. All scewing the world as well. Just picking onyour particular "hate" isn,t useful.:-)
Classic deflection: "only the perfect can discuss this!".
Not your responsibility, course not.
3.98 even if our lives are pointless that a special level of pointlessness. I'm sorry but I need this explaining to me. Why did you go to the trouble of setting up a mobile phone to record a 0-60 time? Is it part of your normal behaviour, or was it to troll/brag on this thread. Either way it's just gratuitously contibuting to known problems. Hope the thrill was worth the consequences for the rest of us.
Along with TallPaul your contributions to these threads (on a cycle forum where many of us are environmentally aware and making significant positive efforts including utility cycling) amount to blatant trolling.
I was quite saddened by using a petrol car over the last couple of days. My own and junior's best laid plans to use an electric car and trains were screwed up by the looming CV19 closure of the German border (and 75% of fast chargers being shut down on the autoroutes) and we ended up doing 3/4 of the driving in a petrol car (5.8l/100km) and him getting on plane to beat the deadline.
Because I bought a fast car to go fast.
Because I have a slightly cynical view of people who get hysterical about literally anything
Because I'm not as environmentally concious as I could be - it's not a crime yet
Because, yes, trolling
Because chat page in a cycling forum, not a topic specific page on an environmental forum
Because it's bloody good fun to use 'occassionally'
Because I'm a bit of an arse 🙂
When people who go on about this sort of thing stop harming the environment in other ways I might be interested
So, emissions aren't a problem when someone else's are worse?
You absolutely totally do not get this at all. Emissions are bad. It DOES NOT MATTER who is telling you this, it is still true.
Because there isn't a 'climate emergency' - apart from in the minds of the foolish and gullible.
foolish and gullible.
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So, emissions aren’t a problem when someone else’s are worse?
You absolutely totally do not get this at all. Emissions are bad. It DOES NOT MATTER who is telling you this, it is still true.
I think we all understand this, we just don’t need lecturing by someone who ignores his own rant/advice.
I don't think everyone does understand it, because it keeps coming up.
I’ve a confession to make.
/deep breath]
I’ve ordered an SUV this week. 😟
You monster.
How are people feeling about their PCP loaned trinkets now they'll be sat on a driveway for most of the year to rot, or just drain away limited finances - will we see a return to bangernomics being the order of the day?
Still driving leased trinket as it’s still possible to drive.
Sorry Perchy if it’s helps it’s an EV.
Full EV SUV? Come on give us some clues what it is - some of us are bored stiff here and this threads kinda amusing.
Yup full EV SUV.
Audi of course so I can sit right behind people on the motorway.
You're still a monster.
Welcome to Monster Club.
I can hide my shame behind the penis extension.
E-Tron - Player. What Kw will you be charging up at home 50kw? Post up a 0-60 when its finished charging to get the thread rolling again.
7Kw charger still home there’s a free to use 50kw nearby though.
Classic deflection: “only the perfect can discuss this!”.
Not your responsibility, course not.
I raised this earlier in the thread. This thread is a text book example of appeal to hypocrisy, with molgrips trying point this out but it all flying over people's head.
So educate me...you can charge your car for free at a public station? That sounds good for the user, is that a rarity though? I'm ignorant but curious, I only sniff petrol.
Yes some you can but it’s rare.
I see, NHS worker I presume. If so - stay strong, stay safe - you get a free pass to do whatever you want from here on in.....
within reason.....
Cheers. Yup as is my wife although as is admin they are only working 2 days a week for now.
Nice car Drac, pricey though! 😲
Very but they do a good deal on the NHS lease still not exactly cheap but I like my cars so thought I’d treat myself.
Drac
SubscriberVery but they do a good deal on the NHS lease still not exactly cheap but I like my cars so thought I’d treat myself.
Blimey, I just looked that deal up - looks like it comes in at not far off half the cost of getting one from Lings!
Yup with including insurance, all parts and service costs.
Drac
SubscriberYup with including insurance, all parts and service costs.
Superb deal, do you have a delivery date yet?
No, only ordered at the beginning of the week I’ve put September for a date which with vag is realistic.
I read that Ford are replacing the Mondeo/Galaxy/S-Max with one do-it-all SUV.
AFAIK, from someone at work whose husband is a senior sales person at a Ford dealership, Ford are ditching the Galaxy and keeping the Grand S-Max, the two pretty much overlap so it’s pointless keeping the Galaxy going. The Ka is going as well, as is the Ecosport, which I think the Puma will replace. Shame, the Ecosport fits into a different niche to the Puma, which is a mild hybrid and pitched to a more sporty market.
The Ecosport is what I want to replace my Octavia with, if I can afford it, it’s a hell of a lot shorter, slightly taller, and about the same width, with smaller engines, and a really nice auto ‘box. Perfect SUV for me, the higher seating position makes it so much easier to get in and out, and I like the horizontal rear hatch opening, although Molly will likely turn up with a baying mob carrying pitchforks and blazing torches if I get one!
It’s because the choices you make harm everyone else. How can you not get this after all that’s been said?
Because, as people keep pointing out, and you keep ignoring, most modern SUV’s are shorter than your Passat, they’re often a bit narrower, and barely any taller, and usually with smaller, cleaner, more efficient engines!
I drive more cars in a day than you’re likely to drive in your entire life, of all sorts of makes and models, including Passats, Mondeos and other large saloons and estates, and most current SUV’s, and it’s only the biggest SUV’s, like Q7’s, Range Rovers that are heavy on fuel and emissions, most others have highly efficient engines, many only 1.0 litre, most others 1.4/1.5.
By far the greatest number of SUV’s that pass through our site are no bigger than a Kuga or a Kadjar, most are Qashqai or similar size, and all are based on a standard saloon/hatchback platform and drivetrain.
The amount of material used in their construction is no greater, because they’re shorter.
Quit banging on about how bad they are compared to your bloody Passat because your argument is not based on any real facts.
I don't think the grand s-max exists - do you mean the grand cmax or the smax?
I'd recommend reading up reviews of the ecosport before committing - they're mostly distinctly unfavourable
Because, as people keep pointing out, and you keep ignoring, most modern SUV’s are shorter than your Passat, they’re often a bit narrower, and barely any taller, and usually with smaller, cleaner, more efficient engines!
My Passat is 15 years old, let's just clear that up, and modern ones are obvioulsy more efficient along with modern small SUVs. But the point of the thread is about inefficient cars (as was explained at length up there), of which large SUVs are a great example. You weren't meant to get hung up on specific classifications of body shape, but apparently lots of people did.
