But then again neither is Bob Crow!
Chatting to a Ticket staff person today, someone i see for the past Two years and saying to him
that I see the flow rate of persons is much faster for one of the ticket staff against the Four ticket machines.
So after that I asked about there actual jobs and No one neither Bob Crow as said that apparently
those that will have these jobs to go to will be taking a pay cut between £ 6,000 to £ 8,000 pounds
a year.
....and in English?
Que?
Boris in CONservative ideological race to the bottom of 3rd world pay rates.
Bob says it’s not about pay its about passengers and safety, if he didn’t the CONservative press would accuse him of 1970’s TU-ism
Are you really surprised? Honestly?
My submarine is full of eels.
I've tried several times and nope, can't work it out...
I have sauerkraut in my lederhosen.
My submarine is full of eels.
At least your hovercraft's ok, then.
Allthepies, that would be your hovercraft, shirley?
even i cannot translate that
the flow rate of persons is much faster for one of the ticket staff against the Four ticket machines
What about cost per ticket sold?
Bluebells? On the speakers chair? Outstanding.
I've seen better written Nigerian scam emails than that OP.
...and that is why the Right have won. They can write.
Le singe est dans l'arbre.
Errmm........ Errrrrrr......... Umpfffffff.......
No, still none the wiser?!?!?!
Mon singe mange mon serpent
Damn you, Cougar!
Le loup marche ce nuit
Bop bopa-a-lu a whop bam boo
Read that twice and still none the wiser...
Le panda mange le bambou.
Le jardin de mon oncle est plus grand que la plume de ma tante.
JACQUES COUSTEAU!
I think the OP is saying that after BJ has pushed through his staff cuts that there will be significant pay cuts for the remaining staff.
I am disappointed. I clicked this thread hoping to find out that most of them were MI5 agents or something watching everyone.
I still can't figure out what that means.
Boeuf?
Pwy sy'n gwybod lle mae amser yn mynd?
I can't understand why so many people are struggling to understand grantway's points, or is it just that taking the piss is more fun ? Anyway let me help ........ Grantway observed today that in his opinion ticket machines are slower in delivering tickets than ticket office staff. He then got chatting to a member of staff who explained that after the ticket offices have all been shut the staff that are redeployed are likely to experience a substantial pay cut ( I believe this is due to many being redeployed at lower grades)
He also makes the point that both Boris Johnson, and apparently Bob Crow, have kept quiet about this (although I'm not convinced that the media fully reports everything that Bob Crow says)
Grantway's written English might not be up to the standard of some on here but I bet he is a far better furniture maker than most. We all have different skills 🙂
I've got a French mate who was JACQUES COUSTEAU's sound man. He's deaf now!
The remaining staff won't get "pay cuts" - more than 1,000 staff have applied for voluntary redundancy as part of the closure of the ticket offices - those who choose to move to other roles will get the same pay as people already in those roles.
Some ticket offices only sell 4 tickets in a c19 hour working day - with ticket office staff on the best part of £40K when their pensions are taken into account, the staff cost [b]per ticket[/b] sale is around £129 (based on the 7 hour working day, 8 weeks leave, 19 "open" hours for the ticket office etc.
Grantway's written English might not be up to the standard of some on here but I bet he is a far better furniture maker than most.
He should have just made a piece of furniture that better illustrated his point and posted a photo of that....
I can't understand why so many people are struggling to understand grantway's points, or is it just that taking the piss is more fun
Yes.
Political stuff is boring and tedious, Do us a favour and change the record.
He then got chatting to a member of staff who explained that after the ticket offices have all been shut the staff that are redeployed are likely to experience a substantial pay cut ( I believe this is due to many being redeployed at lower grades)
So the job they are doing no longer exists, they choose to stay and take something that remains and get paid at the rate for the new job they take? I assume that if the job they take is a promotion they would like to be paid at their current rate too?
From the side of the other workers how about someone is dropped into your team as a new member of staff and is paid 10% more than the team leader because that is what they were in their old job? How would you feel?
Yes look after the workers but also remember it's not a charity.
Rob Dixon, are you deliberately misrepresenting the situation?
If an employee is moved from one job to a lower grade and paid at that grade, they get a pay cut. Is that hard to understand?
And who quotes pay as including pensions & benefits? Many never live to see their pension, and the way earned rights are reneged by the employers, they may be lost by the time the employee retires.
PeterPoddy - MemberYes.
Political stuff is boring and tedious, Do us a favour and change the record.
How about not clicking on a thread which very clearly makes a reference to a well known politician in it's title, if "political stuff is boring and tedious" ?
Or can't you resist the lure of a political thread ?
robdixon - MemberThe remaining staff won't get "pay cuts" - more than 1,000 staff have applied for voluntary redundancy as part of the closure of the ticket offices - those who choose to move to other roles will get the same pay as people already in those roles.
First, no that's not true at all, more than 1000 people have expressed interest in the redundancy package- ie, they want to know what's on offer. That's not at all the same thing as applying for voluntary redundancy.
Second, that is a pay cut, genuine zomfg wtf.
it's not a pay cut. They can take redundancy or do a [b]different job[/b] and get the same pay for that role as everyone else.
......the same pay for that role as everyone else.
It has nothing to do with what other people are getting.
The term "pay cut" refers to what an individual was [i]previously[/i] receiving.
https://www.google.co.uk/#q=pay+cut+definition
The individuals in this particular case will have their salaries reduced, allegedly.
This represents a "pay cut".
robdixon - Memberit's not a pay cut. They can take redundancy or do a different job and get the same pay for that role as everyone else.
Which unless it's what they're currently paid, is a pay cut. What with less being less, and all.
Oh robdixon - you really are the people's champion aren't you?
What will it be next - an explanation of slavery as voluntary assistance with personal care and chores around the house?
What goes around comes around...
Unions push for higher pay, therefore using machines becomes a more economical option for the business, therefore staff in that function face either losing their jobs or getting a pay cut.
Isn't there a similar debate going on in sorting offices, about bringing in machines?
Also, how long have we had ticket machines for? 10 years? 15 years? 20 years? If your job is as a ticket dispenserist.... did you really not see this coming?
as ernie notes [ your input is missed] a pay cut is based on what you were getting and what you are now getting.
Whether they get paid the same as other people who do that job has no impact whatsoever on whether they have or they have not had a pay cut.
If it is less money it is a pay cut.
The individuals in this particular case will have their salaries reduced, allegedly.
This represents a "pay cut".
Which unless it's what they're currently paid, is a pay cut. What with less being less, and all.
Now we have the definition of a pay cut sorted what about the actual issues... If there is less need for ticket staff and more need elsewhere should these people be dropped in on their existing salaries? Again if the new salary was higher should they still get what they were getting before?
Technology will replace these jobs, Oyster cards must have reduced the need significantly. Most cities I go to these days use that sort of technology and they have some staff to help you but the majority just use the tech. It's a shame that some people will loose their jobs and that other will face a pay cut, but balance that with trying to provide a service to people at a fair price.
