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i found a dead mouse in a bucket in the garden the other day.

mice are everywhere!

No, that's disingenuous. You could prove it quite easily if there was any proof to be had. Absolute disproof isn't possible.

For example. If I found a mouse in my house, I could prove I had mice. Or if I found mouse droppings, that would make me think I might have mice.

In the absence of those things, it's a fairly safe bet that I don't have mice. I have no reason to suspect that I might have mice, and an unshakable faith that I did, in fact, have mice despite having no evidence to back that up, would be somewhere between illogical and paranoid. Yet, I cannot prove that I don't have mice.

Excellent. This thread has already progressed onto whether there is a God or not. I predict countless pages of pointless pontification.

I don't really want to think too much about what rich boys in parliament are entering.

I found a dead mouse in bucket of water in my garage at the weekend.

Are you suggesting the mice were performing baptism's when something went horribly wrong?

Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle

complaining Christianity is too inflexible, now complain Christianity is too flexible.

I was complaining that it was inconsistent. Thanks for backing me up. (-:

Excellent. This thread has already progressed onto whether there is a God or not. I predict countless pages of pointless pontification.

Of course it has, it's a religion thread on STW. Anyone forcing you to read it?

(Pontification, very good!)

all you heathens sicken me

i shall be attacking all my chocolate easter eggs in proper devout fashion-i hope i find the one with the baby jesus inside!

There is no Dog.

powerful enough blender and I reckon you could manage that.

Or sufficient curry powder.

i dont believe in the torys

I found a dead mouse in bucket of water in my garage at the weekend.
Are you suggesting the mice were performing baptism's when something went horribly wrong?

its worse than that- it was the mouse inquisition, they were dunking a witch mouse

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don't know about the mice. im pretty sure a cat visits my garden. the dog can smell it, i can't, but im pretty sure it has visited.

So he has time to talk on religion but still hasn't found the time to talk about illegal use of 10 Downing street and effectively people paying to get their agenda/interests up there. Right.

perhaps god got his wedge out and slapped it on the table ?

pretty much all religious texts can be taken any way you want and for eg. can be used by both sides of a bloody conflict as proof that each side has their chosen deity's backing.

True, but even if you took religion out of it these things would still happen there'd just be a different excuse. Fundamentalists can say whatever they like to me, sometimes I'll debate with, sometimes not, but they're not changing my mind.

Ah yes maybe it was a private meet/lobby to get his message up on and out there by buying Cameron to speak for him.

joao3v16 - Member
Bear in mind David Macaroon was speaking at an Easter reception. Easter being a Christian thing.

Only problem is, you're assuming your 'belief' that it's a fairy story is correct ...

Difference is, I'm open to any evidence you might have to the contrary.

Nooooooo! We've tried that before somewhere on here, most recently the Angry atheists thread... turns out [b]you can't prove or disprove God.[/b]

What drivel - the whole thing (bible) is fictional tosh - or at best a contradoctory, handed down, biased set of ramblings written a few hundred years after the "facts".

OK - proving / disproving god - difficult. Proving a negative always is, so lets assume there is a tinsy, tinsy possibility that god = True.

However, irrespective of that metaphysical line of equiry turns out, the rest of it is fairy tale...

Where shall we start...

Scribe 1

Ahh yes, I "remember" it well, 'twas in the late summer of my great, great, great, great, great grandfather's years in Judea, A.D. 33, Saturday afternoon, about tea time....

Scribe 2

Ohh what happened???

Scribe 1

Well, these Romans, see, they got fed up with this bloke spouting on about having a second coming - so they nailed him to a bit of wood and hung him out to die. @cept he didn't die - was seen down town 3 days later, had a big nosh up with his mates and then shot off up into the sky in a big flash

Scribe 2

Wow - fab story, write it down. our kids might forget it if it's passed down word of mouth like it has been for the last 400 years. I reckon that'll be the next bestseller....

Of course it's all true

perhaps god got his wedge out and slapped it on the table

so he did decide to

do God

in public

True, but even if you took religion out of it these things would still happen

And why I have a deep mistrust of any religious spokes person who purports to speak for his/her people/congregation.

you see thats why i dont like macaroon, he invites god to No. 10

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If he starts all this religion stuff in parliament he'll have George Galloway opposing him, dressed in a burka

After dedicating his election victory to Allah, I'm assuming he's muslim. George wouldn't do shameless opportunism as he's a man of principle

By all means be nice to people as far as practical -I try to be.

Don't however do it because of the contents of a book of contradictory, many times interpreted, ancient text centred around the threat of eternal damnation.

How many other 2000+ year old manuals would you refer to for guidance?

Anyone forcing you to read it?

Well I thought it would be rude not to, since I posted on thread before it moved onto whether there is a God or not.

But a good point anyway Cougar.

I have arrived at the conclusion that CallMeDave is a vapid fekwit who is making stuff up as he goes along and even then, doesn't know what he's talking about.

http://www.secularism.org.uk/blog/2012/04/prime-ministers-dissembling-hypocritical-and-disingenuous-speech-to-religious-leaders

I think the correct summary of Cameron is "Jesus wept"

As a PR man he is whatever he thinks his audience want him to be. Curry a bit of favour with god botherers? why not

[b]Slimey PR Muppet in Telling People What They Want to Hear Shocka[/b]

[b]TJ describes Cameron as PR man shocker[/b]

But we are all individuals

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Rule

[b]people picking on TJ...again, shocker[/b]

I can't even believe he quoted the "do unto others as you would have them do unto you" - the cheek of him.

I hope he remembers this if one day he loses all his millions, becomes destitute, sick or disabled, and he has to live under the rules his own government made, go through the humiliation of an Atos assessment, experience the ineptitude of a Jobcentre, or stack shelves for free in a supermarket.

It's not likely to happen of course, but I'd love for this guy to experience what it's like not to be rich and privileged and have to muddle along with everyone else, and then he might understand that quote he is chucking around to try and make himself look good.

Being a Christian is more than just going to church or paying nonsense lip service to Bible quotes it's about living your values, Jesus valued everyone no matter whether they were rich or poor, Cameron doesn't give a monkeys about anyone who isn't in his millionaires club.

Camels and eyes of needles anyone?

*Gets off soapbox for the day.

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Hmmm, Quavers....

Well, there's no more Eostre eggs...

Interesting how so many on here are having a go at Cameron, yet there is a profound silence regarding his vile, sanctimonious, hypocritical, money-grabbing predecessor and his equally vile wife. Who happily took us into two unwinnable conflicts, and pontificated at length about his faith.
Come on, show some consistency, and let's see equal amounts of vitriol directed at Bush's ass-licking poodle Blair.

Nah, that's old history.

Cameron is fresh meat.

Come on, show some consistency, and let's see equal amounts of vitriol directed at Bush's ass-licking poodle Blair.

Let's see equal amounts of vitriol directed at Blair ?

Why - has he made a speech worth commenting on today ?

Or is it because you're an embarrassed Tory ?

How many other 2000+ year old manuals would you refer to for guidance?

How old's the Kama Sutra?

IHN - Member

The New Testament tells us so much about the character of Jesus; a man of incomparable compassion, generosity, grace, humility and love. These are the values that Jesus embraced, and I believe these are values people of any faith, or no faith, can also share in, and admire.

"It is values like these that make our country what it is – a place which is tolerant, generous and caring. A nation which has an established faith, that together is most content when we are defined by what we are for, rather than defined by what we are against. In the book of Luke, we are told that Jesus said, 'Do to others as you would have them do to you' – advice that when followed makes for a happier, and better society for everyone."

I'm not sure why anyone would take offence at someone expressing those kind of thoughts.

Those aren't christian values; they're just a selection of values that christianity incorporates.

Cameron isn't saying, "Look, christianity has some nice values, we should follow these specific values"- he's specifically saying "We need christian values". And that's not the same at all.

Aristotle - Member

How many other 2000+ year old manuals would you refer to for guidance?

Haynes Manual: Suzuki Bandit 600.

so we need christian values but we should not follow christian values ...pretty sure yu have cleared that up for us.

that is some hair you are splitting there and i wish you luck

Aristotle - Member
How many other 2000+ year old manuals would you refer to for guidance?

some of yours are still used though I accept not everyone follows logical arguments but there are some masters of rhetoric on here 😉

Christian values, [i]for the most part[/i], are perfect for a society that wishes to extol kindness.

Whether it's a hypocritical statement from a Tory PM is another matter.

so only for the most part and yet they are still perfect 😕

I've yet to meet a Christian who describes themselves as "perfect".

Not religious myself but can't knock a philosophy that, broadly speaking, embraces kindness.

Junkyard - Member

so we need christian values but we should not follow christian values

Was that at me? It seems like it could be, but I've said no such thing so I'm not sure.