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You started off saying the issue was triggering.
At no point have I said anything about triggering so we're off to a good start.
Then you claimed the rugby players weren’t offensive.
Yes, in my patented 'BruceWee levels of offense gauge' I would say that the rugby players are at the 'acting like arseholes' level (where people say things like, 'What a bunch of arseholes') rather than the 'causing offense' level (where you can expect to be be publicly shamed, lose your job, etc). Other gauges are available.
Now you have an elaborate set or rules that have nothing whatsoever to do with triggering.
It's one rule really. Is the sum total of the 'joke' that men are wearing dresses.
And once again, I never said anything about triggering.
And all the while you’re defending other things that are widely acknowledged triggers.
Possibly I am but that could be because I haven't mentioned triggers.
And with every twist and turn and change of your opinion you are adamant that you are right and everyone else is wrong and morally beyond the pale, despite the fact your strong opinion changes by the minute.
Yes that sounds like me. Although I would say my opinion isn't changing. You're just trying your absolute hardest to not understand it.
So do you now consider, in the 30 minutes since I raised pantomimes as potentially problematic that you’ve had time to give the issue the amount of thought and consideration it deserves, in order to come up with an informed and balanced opinion?
Bloody hell, what do you want from me?
1. You asked what I thought about panto dames
2. I said my hunch was that they were okay, and explained why
3. You asked if I'd given it much thought
4. I said no, not really, cos you'd only just asked the question
5. You said I'd had lots of time to think about it, give that they've existed for ages
6. I said that I hadn't thought about it until the question was asked, and explained why
7. Now you ask whether I've given it enough thought to really have an opinion.
It's like trying to nail jelly to a wall.
All the while, I'm pretty sure you've not offered an opinion on anything. I think what you've actually done, very effectively mind, I'll grant you that, is just act as a shit-stirrer. And to my discredit, I've been sucked into arguing with a shit-stirrer on the internet, and I'm old enough to know better, so I think I'll leave it there.
As far as I can see the joke in ‘comedy drag’ is always the person dressing up laughing at themselves (In the case of rugby players people who have always rigidly conformed to their own form of gender stereotype doing something completely different).
The ‘offence’ caused has more to do with society becoming entirely individualistic rather than taking time to imagine where someone else is coming from.
And once again, I never said anything about triggering.
You've quoted this twice as your rationale:
The programme finished. I went upstairs and embarked on a 20 year programme of self harm
it would appear that Mrs Brown’s Boys is okay. I haven’t quite figured out why yet.
Mrs Brown's Boys is never okay, ever, forever.
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A 9 year old doesn’t go up to their bedroom to self-harm because of a telly comedy show.
No, and that didn't happen.
They did it because of their family's reaction to it. And by extension, the family's potential reaction to them.
I don’t however think that, for example, banning Mrs Brown’s Boys in case it upsets 9 year olds with gender identification issues is the appropriate response.
Who's talking about banning anything? Well, other than you, presumably to try and point-score. It's simply a case of trying to be aware of when we're being hurtful, whether accidentally and wilfully. Armed with that knowledge, someone is perfectly at liberty to carry on being hurtful if they choose.
Ernie, you and I have had many differences of opinion over the years and that's fine, long may it continue. But you really need to stop and think before hitting the keyboard when we're talking about actual individual people's actual lives. Because,
I’ve learnt loads!
... I hate to break to you something that you almost certainly know already, but you've learned the square root of precisely **** all.
Whether or not you agree with Boris's account or believe them even, them sharing this sort of stuff must be incredibly difficult.
Think. Be nice.
I’ve closed this thread as it’s reached the point of people trying to point score. We’ve had one member open heartily explain how things can lead peoples attitudes towards trans or gender fluid people. I’m not sure I fully understand it, but what I do know is someone experienced has tried to explain it. Now there’s arguing over who’s right and who’s wrong, as well as some tasteless replies.